=> back to Techrights (Main Index)
01:01 *geert has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; Anon Y Mouse, the debating style that you describe... http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/03/g-221-did-invention-as-originally.html?showComment=1680681927467#c1778324356522175163
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; Anon Y Mouse, the debating style that you describe is certainly one that will be familiar to those who have attempted to explain to the EPO why certain of their practices lack adequate legal support and are actively harmful to users. Recent examples include the more insane excesses of description adaptation requirements, as well as ST.26 conversion requirements for divisionals of pre-"big bang" applications.Som
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; ehow the EPO manages to listen to all of the arguments presented to them but yet never (outwardly) show any signs of ever having understood those arguments. Common responses to criticisms from users include dismissing / minimising the concerns upon which those criticisms are based, as well as careful avoidance of any head-on discussion of the crucial issues underlying those concerns. At least the latter strategy suggests that
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; the EPO is perfectly aware of the weaknesses of its position.This all begs the question: why would the EPO not want to discuss / negotiate with users in good faith? The EPO's inexplicable intransigence is infuriating for users, so why can the EPO not be honest about the real reasons for them standing their ground? The longer this goes on, and the more issues it affects, the less likely that there is an innocent explanat
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; ion for all of this. My suspicion is that the intransigence can be explained by fragile egos (of decision-makers within the in EPO) and/or policies implemented in response to "political" pressure upon the EPO.
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; A point on which it would be useful to have a refe... http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/04/germanys-federal-court-of-justice.html?showComment=1680618659816#c8767541038690660321
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; A point on which it would be useful to have a reference is the meaning of "subject matter that is identifiable with sufficient precision and objectivity". In Brompton Bicycle (para 28) the referring court appears to have asserted that the subject matter was said to be identifiable simply because it was a bicycle, and the CJEU hasn't questioned this. But surely the subject matter is the work, rather than the object, and the
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; nature of the work in that case is not clear - it isn't clear where it begins or ends, and it is not possible to describe the work separately to the object it is part of. I don't think anyone really knows what the CJEU means here, and it would be interesting to see a reference on that point.
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; Mr Thomas, thank you for your reply.
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; To summarise... http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/03/g-221-did-invention-as-originally.html?showComment=1680608090481#c8449302285312544248
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; r Thomas, thank you for your reply.To summarise, you believe that it is important for the description to be adapted to the claims as allowed because this helps to prevent national courts affording patentees an "over-broad" scope of protection (ie a scope that does not adequately reflect the reasons why the claims were amended during prosecution).On the other hand, you believe that even a very "
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; strict" adaptation of the description will leave the national courts with a completely free hand regarding their determination of the scope of protection provided by the claims.I doubt that I will be alone in finding it impossible to reconcile these two positions. Either adaptation of the description affects determination (by the national courts) of the scope of protection or it does not.If it is the lat
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; ter, then isn't the EPO's "strict" practice rather a pointless waste of time (and applicant's money)?A final, pedantic point: I am not saying that the national courts will follow the decisions (or logic) of the EPO's Boards of Appeal with regard to the interpretation of Article 84 EPC. I simply believe the national courts will take into account the description of the patent (as amended by the applicant)
02:26 schestowitz[TR]; when determining the scope of protection. These are two very different issues.
02:26 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | G 2/21: Is the technical effect embodied by the invention as originally disclosed? - The IPKat
02:26 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Germanys Federal Court of Justice applies CJEU Cofemel guidance, considering it clear that works of applied art are to be treated like other works and no new CJEU referral is needed - The IPKat
02:26 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | G 2/21: Is the technical effect embodied by the invention as originally disclosed? - The IPKat
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > Hello,
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > I hope this email finds you well. I am trying to contact a person
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > named Chris Punches who I believe works at your organization.
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > I have been looking into one of your company's projects, Dark Horse
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > Linux, as I find it quite intriguing. I have been attempting to
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > gather information about it through IRC and explore ways to
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > contribute to the project.
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > However, I noticed that there is no dedicated IRC channel for Dark
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > Horse Linux on Libera, unlike other distributions. I tried asking in
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > #linux but received confusing responses from the people there. Some
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > even claimed to know Chris Punches. There was much uncertainty and
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > vague hints, but no clear accusations. My inquiries about the
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > project's history were met with evasive answers.
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > Unfortunately, later in the night, my bounce host was silently banned
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > from the server. As a result, I am no longer able to engage with
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > other communities on the platform. I am not sure what I did wrong,
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > but it appears that asking about Dark Horse Linux might be a
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > sensitive topic for some reason.
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > I am wondering if you are familiar with the people involved in this
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > situation. Is it possible for you to help me get unbanned? Also,
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > could you please direct me to the documentation for the Dark Horse
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > Linux project? I am quite curious to understand what transpired.
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > Best regards,
03:17 schestowitz[TR]; > Yim Ki
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > Libera Staff,
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > Here I am again looking at your drama (attached). I'm not sure how much
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > I care about this.
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > Just out of curiosity, is he telling the whole story?
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > I'm going to assume he is based on prior experience. I would like you
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > to fix this.
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > I honestly don't have much investment in a presence on Libera between
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > the staff's track record, and how slow that project is moving, but, it
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > would be obnoxiously fascist and bigoted, and against the values of
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > most projects on your network if your policy were to ban users for
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > seeking support in what is supposed to be an inclusive environment
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > simply because you want to sweep an issue with the people behind the
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > product they're working with/on under the rug.
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > Particularly in my case where the/reason/ there is an issue is because
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > I quite literally held your staff accountable for supporting my
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > stalkers, defamers, gatekeepers -- and their advocates' shunning for
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > talking about it -- an issue you were aware of and chose to ignore by
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > policy for years, and I had to/level your fucking skyline/ before you
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > even acknowledged that I was saying it due to your extraordinary
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > arrogance and jaded filters. You still haven't fully acknowledged that
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > it took place despite the stream of evidence repeatedly presented to
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > your leadership for just shy of a decade. You knew.
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > You chose instead to ostracize the newly unignorable whistleblower with
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > false whispers-- for finally being too loud to ignore and creating
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > consequences for your years-long support of actual crimes with actual
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > victims (some even offline, and not me) after years of pleading with
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > you to address it. Then, you rewrote history to accomodate your moral
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > failure while you had to rebuild your entire network elsewhere as a
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > result of your arrogance surrounding this issue. Don't double down or
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > rewrite history -- just learn the lesson. There were others and, by
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > the nature of people, there will be in the future, and those people
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > need to benefit from what you learned in that regrettable experience
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > for all of us.
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > As you've no doubt become aware, I strongly advocate against stalking,
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > defamation and gatekeeping specifically as a result of my own
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > experience, and have done so for years, genuinely, in every way I know
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > how. Being invisible is not an option I will ever accept.
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > If this person is telling the truth and it is revealed to be a policy,
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > I will absolutely eventually be forced to pay attention to you again.
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > I would prefer that not be necessary. I urge caution.
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > As for me, I'm not going anywhere, and I'm going to keep building. You
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > can't stop me from building and you can't punish my users for not
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > participating in unethical shunning. You can, however, destroy
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > yourselves a second time/trying/ to stop me in that manner--
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > potentially for good. I don't want that -- I want you to be better and
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > do better then you were and are as an organization of otherwise
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > intelligent and sometimes well-meaning people. Be humble in your
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > vision.
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > Folks, I don't want to see this again. Knock it off. Knock it off
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > today.
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > Thanks,
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > Chris Punches
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > Owner
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > Dark Horse Linux Project
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > SILO GROUP
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; >
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > P.S. it is my sincere request that you please ensure Fuchs or Jose sees
03:18 schestowitz[TR]; > this.
05:40 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
05:44 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
05:53 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
05:58 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
06:03 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
06:03 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
06:24 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
06:26 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
06:37 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
06:38 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
06:52 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
06:56 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
07:04 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
07:05 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
07:15 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
07:16 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
07:18 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
07:29 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; x https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11937205/Bill-Gates-says-calls-pause-AI-wont-solve-challenges.html
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; # bill sez
08:03 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.dailymail.co.uk | Bill Gates hits back against AI critics like Elon Musk who warn tech will destroy humanity | Daily Mail Online
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; x https://github.com/github/balanced-employee-ip-agreement
=> ↺ https://github.com/github/balanced-employee-ip-agreement
08:03 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-GitHub - github/balanced-employee-ip-agreement: GitHub's employee intellectual property agreement, open sourced and reusable
08:33 schestowitz[TR];
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; Portable bioprinter could help fight cancer
08:33 schestowitz[TR];
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; A bioprinter is a 3D printer capable of fabricating organic tissue. A lot of research has been devoted to developing bioprinters for creating replacement organs and even food, but this purpose is just as important. By printing tumors, cancer researchers can fabricate the tissue to exact specifications. This reduces variables and provides better research control. These 3D-printed tumoroids a
08:33 schestowitz[TR]; re made of extruded hydrogel biological ink that contains cells. In about 90 seconds, researchers can print a tumor very similar to those from mice that theyre used to working with.
08:33 schestowitz[TR];
08:33 schestowitz[TR];
08:33 schestowitz[TR];
08:33 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-blog.arduino.cc | Portable bioprinter could help fight cancer | Arduino Blog
08:42 schestowitz[TR];
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft ditches plans for 500,000 sq ft London office
=> Microsoft">↺ https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/05/microsoft_ditches_plans_for_500000/">Microsoft
08:42 schestowitz[TR];
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; According to React News, Microsoft's office tenancy in Reading is coming to an end in 2026 so senior management were eyeing up other options.
08:42 schestowitz[TR]; However, given a trading climate where customers are delaying purchases and operating more cautiously, Microsoft appears to have put any plans on hold for now.
08:42 schestowitz[TR];
08:42 schestowitz[TR];
08:42 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theregister.com | Microsoft ditches plans for 500,000 sq ft London office The Register
08:44 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
08:44 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
09:18 *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
09:20 *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@nqkitbgnqjad4.irc) has joined #techbytes
09:20 *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
09:25 *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@nqkitbgnqjad4.irc) has joined #techbytes
10:06 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
10:08 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
10:11 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
10:22 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
10:37 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
10:41 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
11:53 *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in)
11:54 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
12:08 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
12:16 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
12:59 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
13:07 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
13:10 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
13:14 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
13:35 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
13:37 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
14:13 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
14:38 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
17:34 *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
17:36 *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techbytes
22:03 *lightbringer has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds)
22:05 *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
22:08 *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #techbytes
22:08 *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #techbytes MinceR
22:08 *lightbringer (mincer@freenode/user/lightbringer) has joined #techbytes
=> back to Techrights (Main Index) This content has been proxied by September (ba2dc).Proxy Information
text/gemini;lang=en-GB