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06:34 Techrights-sec; see /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl.new on tm-new
06:34 Techrights-sec; it is nearly a complete re-write of the script and is hopefully much more
06:34 Techrights-sec; efficient; unfortunately David A Wheeler's sloccount shows that it is only
06:34 Techrights-sec; about 30 lines shorter
06:34 Techrights-sec; Running it with no options will create / update new or updated gemtext
06:34 Techrights-sec; and xhtml files. Running it multiple times will produce no output until
06:34 Techrights-sec; a record is updated, unless the -f option is used. See the -h option.
06:34 Techrights-sec; No -d option means the date defaults to the current date.
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; OK I assume you made a DB backup and now I can run this new script to make new pages
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07:34 Techrights-sec; I've tested it on this end but it would need testing in actual use.
07:35 schestowitz-TR2; I ran it twice, expecting it to ask for something
07:35 schestowitz-TR2; but it just came back doing nothing
07:35 schestowitz-TR2; which I suppose is what I should expect?
07:42 schestowitz-TR2; (last day for rianne to practice; in mock exams she averages around 92%)
08:10 Techrights-sec; Did it update the XHTML and GemText files?
08:10 Techrights-sec; If you add -v it will make more noise.
08:10 Techrights-sec; Perhaps it should mention by default how many files were written.
08:10 Techrights-sec; When running it twice, the second time there will be no activity since t
08:10 Techrights-sec; the files will have already been exported to the file system.
08:10 schestowitz-TR2; it runs for about 1.5 seconds and says nothing
08:10 schestowitz-TR2; gets back to terminal
08:10 schestowitz-TR2; draft (being a thorn on Microsoft's side again ;-) )
08:12 Techrights-sec; Even with -f and -v? You've run it once so there will be no action take
08:12 Techrights-sec; on subsequent runs without the -f option
08:16 schestowitz-TR2; I've only run it very prudentl;y for fear (over the DB) and for geenral assurance nothing is done 'wrong'
08:16 schestowitz-TR2; as I don't really understand the underlying system
08:16 schestowitz-TR2; I can envision that in winter we can use the same in Techrights for more rapid posting
08:16 schestowitz-TR2; (the more 'opinionated' stuff)
08:16 schestowitz-TR2; my guess was, as the number of records grows (maybe 3k by now) it needs more time for queries to complete, e.g. give me all records for day x and day x-1
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08:27 schestowitz-TR2; posted the thing about asia
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; will revisit next month
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; I think asia will soon be orange except tw, jp, and ru
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; going to annotate with markers the ubuntu screenshots, thank you!
08:39 Techrights-sec; The script also does some better interlinking between posts, most of that
08:39 Techrights-sec; is inside the script itself. So it runs faster and more efficiently. The
08:39 Techrights-sec; other part is with the linking inside the XHTML head.
08:40 schestowitz-TR2; draft (ubuntu)
08:40 schestowitz-TR2; let me know what commands to run as user 'roy
08:40 schestowitz-TR2; so as to not put anything at risk
08:40 schestowitz-TR2; I will soon do another manual backup and later make a script for it
08:40 schestowitz-TR2; after scripting it, maybe cron job
08:44 Techrights-sec; The risk shouls be minimal, since it is intended to replace the old script.
08:44 Techrights-sec; Try
08:44 Techrights-sec; tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -v
08:44 Techrights-sec; or
08:44 Techrights-sec; tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -v -f
08:44 Techrights-sec; tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -v -v
08:45 Techrights-sec; tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -h
08:47 Techrights-sec; with .new at the end?
08:47 schestowitz-TR2; with .new at the end?
08:47 Techrights-sec; not any more. The old one is still there as .old
08:50 schestowitz-TR2; I see now, that's a lot faster
08:50 schestowitz-TR2; and does nothing unless rewrites are needed
08:50 schestowitz-TR2; I assume "-v -v" is a typo
08:50 schestowitz-TR2; did not run that one
08:50 Techrights-sec; No, -v is for debugging and -v, -v -v, and -v -v -v having increasing levels
08:53 schestowitz-TR2; ok, I've run all 4
08:54 schestowitz-TR2; and it does not complain about anything
08:54 schestowitz-TR2; I assume that any time I now add or modify an existing page it'll use this in the background, via the bahs wrapper
08:54 schestowitz-TR2; btw, rianne will be mostly mia except few things inc. android leftovers
08:54 schestowitz-TR2; she wants to ace the exam and has a day left now
08:54 schestowitz-TR2; she and I are rather amazed at how old the new PM looks
08:54 schestowitz-TR2; through she was born 2 years apart from rianne
08:54 schestowitz-TR2; liz warren is like 30 years older and you can compare
08:54 Techrights-sec; Good luck on the exams
08:54 Techrights-sec; ack
08:58 schestowitz; [y/N] y
08:58 schestowitz; Waiting for database to unlock ...lock acquired
08:58 schestowitz; Record added
08:58 schestowitz; Creating temporary directories and files
08:58 schestowitz; Creating static XHTML and GemText hierarchies
08:58 schestowitz; GemText path missing
08:58 schestowitz; USAGE:
08:58 schestowitz; /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl [-ahfsuv] [-d date] [-g path] [-x path]
08:58 schestowitz; -a, --all extract all records regardless of other settings
08:58 schestowitz; -d, --date date as YYYYMMDD, defaults to today if missing
08:58 schestowitz; -f, --force force all files, written or unwritten
08:58 schestowitz; -g, --gemini override default destination path for GemText
08:58 schestowitz; -s, --since also include all posts since the given date
08:58 schestowitz; -u, --unwritten extract all unwritten records
08:58 schestowitz; -x, --xhtml override default destination path for XHTML
08:58 schestowitz; -v, --verbose show debugging info
08:58 schestowitz; -h, --help show this message
08:58 schestowitz; By default, only records which have not been extracted yet
08:58 schestowitz; will be written. This can be overriden with the -f option.
08:58 schestowitz; The -g and -x options can each be used to point to other paths
08:58 schestowitz; and override the defaults:
08:58 schestowitz; GemText path:
08:58 schestowitz; /home/gemini/gemini/n
08:58 schestowitz; XHTML path:
08:58 schestowitz; /var/www/tuxmacihines.org/htdocs/n
08:58 schestowitz; The -a and the -u option are mutually exclusive and -a takes
08:58 schestowitz; precedence.
09:02 schestowitz-TR2; ---
09:02 schestowitz-TR2; the ssi part now links to a page that does not exist, "Not found"
09:02 schestowitz-TR2; the breadcrump trail (well, not really breadcrumb, more like horizontal navigation) does not link to the new page that does not exist
09:02 schestowitz-TR2; but the ssi/footer does
09:02 schestowitz-TR2; the rss feed does not seem to link to it either
09:02 schestowitz-TR2; just gathering some debug info
09:02 Techrights-sec; ack
09:02 Techrights-sec; checking
09:02 Techrights-sec; Which SSI part?
09:02 Techrights-sec; I see now "Other Recent Tux Machines' Posts"
09:03 Techrights-sec; thanks
09:10 Techrights-sec; The -a option works, though takes a long time.
09:10 Techrights-sec; Can you try add-and-refresh-from-db.sh ?
09:15 schestowitz; see gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/04/RIP_Peter_Eckersley.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/04/RIP_Peter_Eckersley.gmi
09:15 schestowitz; there is a link to the image
09:15 schestowitz; but maybe with softlinks we can make these possible to serve over gemini:// ?
09:16 schestowitz; in largrange is gives option to expand to show the image
09:16 schestowitz; but it is relative, not absolute, and over http/s
09:17 Techrights-sec; Yes, the -a option worked, but the add-and-refresh-from-db.sh needs double-
09:17 Techrights-sec; checking atm. I think I have tracked down all the loose ends.
09:17 Techrights-sec; Can the Gemini server handle symlinks ?
09:18 schestowitz-TR2; maybe that depends on which server
09:18 schestowitz-TR2; but surely making copies of all the images just for ~gemini would make no practical sense
09:18 Techrights-sec; Gemini's not really designed for images though.
09:18 Techrights-sec; I would think that the click-through rate for the images would be microscopically low and not worth the disk space.
09:20 schestowitz-TR2; I agree, so maybe the url can be converted to absolute in gemini:// / .gmi
09:20 schestowitz-TR2; so that if it's clicked on the image opened in an external program (e.g. browser, gimp..)
09:20 Techrights-sec; That would be possible by retaining the HTTP/HTTPS scheme at the start of the
09:20 Techrights-sec; URL
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; I just stumbled upon it by serendipity, seeing that some recent pages, where images are also links,
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; show up before the text
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; in lagrange this enables stuff like feature images in articles
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; most other clients I know of (except 2) do not have build-in image support
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; but there is nothing inherently against image objects in gemini
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; many people host their photo album and art in gemini
09:24 Techrights-sec; ack
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; lupa also indexes them and lists them as a file type in geminispace
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; kristall has rudimentary build-in support for http/s, so linking to images over http/s would enable clicking to view images from within kristall
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; *build-in
09:24 schestowitz-TR2; -> built-in
09:25 schestowitz; I wonder,
09:25 schestowitz; gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/i/2022/09/logo.png
=> ↺ gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/i/2022/09/logo.png
09:25 schestowitz; that's what one link looks like atm
09:25 schestowitz; if ~/gemini/gemini/i was created
09:26 schestowitz; and was set to be like a virtual structure linking to the www side, it might work
09:29 Techrights-sec; The more scraping which is done the more brittle the whole thing becomes.
09:29 Techrights-sec; The IMG elements are manually generated.
09:29 Techrights-sec; ~/gemini/gemini/i could by a symlink to the HTML side, but it would be better
09:29 Techrights-sec; to just turn the src attribute into an absolute URL for the image over on
09:29 Techrights-sec; the HTTP(S) server. That would be the least complexity and IMO the most in
09:29 Techrights-sec; line with the Gemini way of doing things.
09:29 Techrights-sec; Gemini is not suited for large files, and even the smallest images are
09:29 Techrights-sec; gigantic.
09:30 schestowitz-TR2; yes, makes sense
09:30 schestowitz-TR2; if done this way, I can do a video demo later of how kristall and lagrance handle the images in tuxmachines
09:30 schestowitz-TR2; and maybe explain that in theory they could be served over gemini:// albeit impractical
09:31 Techrights-sec; An image is a separate document in Gemini. There are no provisions for inline
09:31 Techrights-sec; images or anyting other than the body text and a very small number of structures
09:32 schestowitz-TR2; that is a client-level feature
09:32 schestowitz-TR2; left for the client to decide
09:32 schestowitz-TR2; with some settings
09:32 schestowitz-TR2; in lagrrance the image is rendered only ig you scroll, hit space bar, or arrow keys, by default
09:32 schestowitz-TR2; bbl exercise
09:33 Techrights-sec; As far as I can tell it is a design feature of the protocol. The image will
09:33 Techrights-sec; always be an external document distinct from the body.
09:42 Techrights-sec; ack
10:25 schestowitz-TR2; arindam has just added a page
10:25 schestowitz-TR2; it was updated OK in rss and html, have not checked gmi yet
10:25 schestowitz-TR2; but I assume that too will be OK
10:25 schestowitz-TR2; I will soon add some pages, take note of duration of process
10:25 Techrights-sec; ack
10:25 Techrights-sec; checking
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; rianne just got her certificate
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; arindam posted a second new page OK
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; having enrolled him as a user with limit to two commands, we can replicate the same for any future users
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; but we need to be 'conservative' in who we give access too not for sec reasons but editorial/QA reasons
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; due to past experiences
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; like vetting
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; there were people I gave drupal access to, which I later regretted
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; because they posted junk
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; and I didn't want to get in the way like editorial censor
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; so left in tact some shitty things
10:34 schestowitz-TR2; sometimes just cautioned about future additions, e.g. "please in the future, no WSL"
10:47 Techrights-sec; Yes, spam is to be avoided.
10:48 schestowitz-TR2; the rationale was,.
10:48 schestowitz-TR2; WSL is Windows
10:48 schestowitz-TR2; Windows is against Linux
10:48 schestowitz-TR2; We don't do Windows
10:48 schestowitz-TR2; WSL is a misnomer, too
10:48 Techrights-sec; Yes WSL /is/ WIndows and further it is strategic in heading off GNU/Linux
10:48 Techrights-sec; installations.
10:48 Techrights-sec; It should be LSW, based on how it works.
10:48 Techrights-sec; (or fails to work)
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; it'll die in a year or few years
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; based on lack of visibility
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; ryan says amazon just laid off 100,000 workers
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; but could not yield any reference for that
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; msft is laying off 10%, i.e. about 18k
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; in "startegic" units
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; maybe wsl already got the cull, quietly
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; the tumour must now spread and metastasise through those that have momentum
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; e.g. former Canonical
10:51 schestowitz-TR2; former Red Hat
10:55 schestowitz-TR2; ---
10:55 schestowitz-TR2; ryan is full of shit sometimes and I think his environment and the media is to blame
10:55 schestowitz-TR2; like, theyu incite him agaionst "greeedy" and "lazy" teachers
10:55 schestowitz-TR2; he is missing the point
10:55 schestowitz-TR2; my aunt was a teacher in FL and complained about how parents would contact her ourt of hours
10:55 schestowitz-TR2; and she had to work up exams out of working outs
10:55 schestowitz-TR2; all for a meager salary
10:55 schestowitz-TR2; this ios the sort of press that I saw yestewrday when I looked for "more" 'news'...
10:55 schestowitz-TR2; at least ryan used two other channels yesterday, for more off-topic stuff
11:00 Techrights-sec; The Reagan administration slashed education by 40% if I recall correctly,
11:00 Techrights-sec; it has been whittled down every year since. Then certain parts (all) of the
11:00 Techrights-sec; media has agitated against the teachers ever since. The US is crossing a
11:01 Techrights-sec; tipping point. There have been two full generations of people without access
11:01 Techrights-sec; to basic education. A third is on the way. No 1st world nation can survive
11:01 Techrights-sec; that level of pervasive, militant ignornance.
11:01 Techrights-sec; Anyway, soon pushing changes to the work flow to convert images to bare
11:01 Techrights-sec; links labeled by their ALT or TITLE attributes. In gemini, that is.
11:01 Techrights-sec; s/ignornance/ignorance/
11:03 schestowitz-TR2; this way more might vote for insurreection, support gun mania etc.
11:03 schestowitz-TR2; regarding gemini, should we manually add title/alt? alt is blank by default, maybe it can copy the base filename (prior to dot)
11:03 schestowitz-TR2; GOP: if we win, we win, owing to ignorant masses. If we lose, bear arms! "Own the libs" by taking on the Capitol.
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11:05 schestowitz-TR2; Times Higher Education: now some unis hire CLOWNS. They actually use the term. They want CLOWNS... to outsource the uni infra to CLOWN COMPUTING. IOW, they don't need to know ANY computing, just sign a GAFAM contract. https://www.timeshighereducation.com/unijobs/listing/308195/cloud-administrator-linux-and-hpc/?trackid=10&utm_source=the-jobs-service
11:05 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.timeshighereducation.com | Cloud Administrator, Linux and HPC job with SWINBURNE UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY | 308195
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11:06 schestowitz-TR2; Tech admin 1990s: CS background. Tech admin 2000: MBA. Tech admin 2022: clown. Sign contracts to outsource everything to CLOWN computing.
11:16 schestowitz; Waiting for database to unlock ...lock acquired
11:16 schestowitz; Failure: missing or empty ALT attribute in IMG. Add it to proceed.
11:16 schestowitz; press RETURN
11:16 schestowitz; Record added
11:16 schestowitz; Creating temporary directories and files
11:16 schestowitz; Creating static XHTML and GemText hierarchies
11:16 schestowitz; Destination '/home/gemini/gemini/n/2022/09/07/Today_in_Techrights.gmi' is not writable
11:16 schestowitz; 'Today_in_Techrights' could not be written
11:16 schestowitz; Updating SSI files
11:16 schestowitz; Writing the RSS feed for HTTP
11:16 schestowitz; Writing the Atom feed for Gemini
11:16 schestowitz; Writing the Gemini index
11:16 schestowitz; Pinging via MQTT
11:16 schestowitz; Error: Problem setting TLS options: File not found.
11:16 schestowitz; Erasing temporary directories and their files.
11:16 schestowitz-TR2; oh, I see
11:16 schestowitz-TR2; not it demands alt in/after nano
11:16 schestowitz-TR2; *now
11:23 schestowitz; -rw-rw-r-- 1 arindam gemtext 968 Sep 7 10:22 GNOME_43_Misses_Window_to_Merge_Ubuntu_s_Triple_Buffering_Patch.gmi
11:23 schestowitz; -rw-rw-r-- 1 arindam gemtext 890 Sep 7 10:22 KDE_s_Kaidan_Messaging_App_Plans_for_Encrypted_Audio_and_Video_.gmi
11:23 schestowitz; -rw-rw-r-- 1 roy gemtext 2278 Sep 7 10:22 Programming_Leftovers.gmi
11:23 schestowitz; -rw-rw-r-- 1 roy gemtext 1324 Sep 7 10:22 ROCK_4_SE_Single_Board_Computer_goes_on_sale_for_70.gmi
11:23 schestowitz; -rw-rw-r-- 1 roy gemtext 866 Sep 7 10:22 Synaptic_kind_of_working_on_EasyOS_Dunfell_series.gmi
11:23 schestowitz; -rw-rw-r-- 1 roy gemtext 1227 Sep 7 10:22 Tere_A_Faster_Alternative_to_cd_ls_in_Linux.gmi
11:23 schestowitz; -rw-r--r-- 1 tuxmachines gemtext 832 Sep 7 09:28 Today_in_Techrights.gmi
11:24 schestowitz-TR2; -rw-r--r-- and owned by TM, that's OK
11:24 schestowitz-TR2; must have been something amended at your end
11:25 Techrights-sec; yes
11:25 Techrights-sec; That requiring ALT is necessary both for accessibility but also for the
11:25 Techrights-sec; linking changes requested today.
11:25 Techrights-sec; Checking the permissions...
11:26 schestowitz-TR2; if the upload tool is used in interactive mode later, maybe "enter url", "enter short desc", ..
11:26 schestowitz-TR2; got daily links
11:27 Techrights-sec; The manual activity trips up because of umask. Not sure what to fix it with.
11:28 schestowitz-TR2; I thought it was a symptom of a bigger issue
11:28 schestowitz-TR2; also, for marius, rianne and arindam it can be intimidating to see this when adding the next 50 odd posts
11:29 schestowitz-TR2; and then ask questions
11:31 Techrights-sec; The validation is necessary though. Perhaps the warning can be made
11:31 Techrights-sec; more appealing somehow?
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11:34 schestowitz-TR2; I was referring to the permission issue associated with read-only for group owned by TM account
11:34 schestowitz-TR2; and how often it would repeat thereafter if left unaltered
11:34 schestowitz-TR2; the ALT-related warning is very clear
11:34 schestowitz-TR2; and maybe best tackled by giving a prompt for some text, with intiiaial default value being the name of the file
11:34 schestowitz-TR2; in gemini, I noticed it links to the thumbnail ratheer than the full-sized version
11:34 schestowitz-TR2; (I plan to do a video about this later, with kristall and lagrange; I have about 9 gemini clients installed on this box)
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11:35 Techrights-sec; ack
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11:37 Techrights-sec; The processing has to choose an XPath. //a[@href] is not an image but
11:37 Techrights-sec; a hyperlink. //img[@src] on the other hand is an image. There's not
11:37 Techrights-sec; really any reliable way to use the former to guess at what might or might not
11:37 Techrights-sec; be an image, except to fetch the image and analyze it with 'file' or similar
11:37 Techrights-sec; tool.
11:38 schestowitz-TR2; brb coffee
11:38 schestowitz-TR2; I'm back to coffee (from tea) after about 5 weeks
11:38 schestowitz-TR2; also breakfast, started posting the daily links, will do another full batch after midday
11:38 schestowitz-TR2; then might record, lots of rain her this week
11:38 Techrights-sec; ack
11:38 schestowitz-TR2; *here
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13:10 schestowitz-TR2; just experienced non-fatal editing conflict
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; as before
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; nothing went bad
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; I was editing at the same time as rianne
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; what happens then it,
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; one side, when posting gets alerted and the other put on hold in the interim
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; it's only mindboggling when one did not experience it before
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; yes, it's all fine at the end
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; but one side is shown an error when it generates something
13:10 schestowitz-TR2; though it seems like either a false alarm or something that settles itself when the editor put "on hold" is done finalising the record addition
13:10 Techrights-sec; Ol, but it resolves automatically, after a bit right?
13:10 Techrights-sec; Great.
13:10 Techrights-sec; I'm pretty sure that kind of thing is a limitation of sqlite. PostgreSQL
13:10 Techrights-sec; can handle concurrent users better but is way heavier.
13:14 schestowitz-TR2; static page generator does not need postgres or mariadb
13:14 schestowitz-TR2; because very few people ever access the db
13:14 schestowitz-TR2; and the db itself is critical only in the data integrity sense
13:14 schestowitz-TR2; in TM (soon TR) person A adds one row to one table (unless there are foreign keys etc)
13:14 schestowitz-TR2; db is then queried
13:14 schestowitz-TR2; done until a new row gets added
13:14 schestowitz-TR2; so write operations per day are few
13:14 schestowitz-TR2; and read operations less than 99% of the day
13:14 schestowitz-TR2; in drupal every page access is a write, e.g. for logs/stats
13:14 schestowitz-TR2; which makes the system more brittle
13:14 Techrights-sec; Yes
13:14 Techrights-sec; Probably someone skilled with SQLite3 could refine the interaction and locking
13:14 Techrights-sec; better so that it goes more smoothly.
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; we pay a high price for complexity in June when the DB was starting to bite itself off
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; and lost thousands of records, sort of glued them back together after many were lost
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; that's why I rolled back
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; only after meticullously making static page for each new record added since
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; it took a ton of time, energy, sleepless nights (not literally)
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; when I studied CS (2000) they gave us a homedir
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; over NFS
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; that had public_html
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; so cs.man.ac.uk (dead domain) ~username had your homepage in it
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; cgi, html, etc.
13:18 schestowitz-TR2; no databases
13:21 Techrights-sec;
13:21 Techrights-sec; The static nature reduces the load a lot, so it could run fine even if it had
13:21 Techrights-sec; stayed on the RPi.
13:23 schestowitz-TR2; drupal and wordpress do not have a real dir structure, it's considered virtual and it's embedded in software or config files, e.g. for apache
13:23 schestowitz-TR2; in the past you literally had to change apache configs for those
13:23 schestowitz-TR2; with no simple conversion from virtual to direct/physical
13:23 schestowitz-TR2; with some of the heavy DBs I don't even know how good a conversion one gets
13:23 schestowitz-TR2; e.g. CSV
13:23 schestowitz-TR2; as opposed to a long series of sql statements
13:23 schestowitz-TR2; creatd table...
13:23 schestowitz-TR2; add...
13:23 schestowitz-TR2; which is how you load the pertinent data into "the blob"
13:23 schestowitz-TR2; re
13:24 schestowitz-TR2; ====
13:24 schestowitz-TR2; The static nature reduces the load a lot, so it could run fine even if it had
13:24 schestowitz-TR2; stayed on the RPi.
13:24 schestowitz-TR2; ----
13:24 schestowitz-TR2; when I studied CS PCs had one processor core
13:24 schestowitz-TR2; not 96 cores at 3GHz
13:24 schestowitz-TR2; browsers rendered descriptions of pages, sometimes gzip'ed to help with bandwidth
13:24 schestowitz-TR2; text compresses well
13:24 schestowitz-TR2; esp. if single language and many of the same elements,e g
13:24 Techrights-sec; Yes, back then computing environments were much more advanced yet simpler.
13:24 Techrights-sec; HTTP is useless as an API because it is, at its foundation, stateless.
13:24 Techrights-sec; Any semblance of sessions is a kludge at best.
13:24 Techrights-sec; In the middle 1990's servers ran fine with Megabytes of RAM, measured in
13:24 Techrights-sec; single digits.
13:27 u-amarsh04; may middle 1980's, the VAX 8600 I used in 1986 already had 16 Megabytes of RAM
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; we've moved from ssedans to SUVs
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; and sometimes the driver is the sole person on the road
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; we need to get that old car back
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; not smart
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; not SUV
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; just a means of tranportation
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; gemini is not the only technical counterculture
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; gnunet had a new release
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; but last I checked it was still sonky
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; *sonky
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; >wonky
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; it is also connected to gnu taler, which isn't some pile of steaming shit burning off fossil fuel/coal-generated currnt for "valuable" 0s and 1s
13:28 schestowitz-TR2; u-amarsh04: my first PC was 4 colours
13:29 u-amarsh04; I ran monochrome for several years
13:29 schestowitz-TR2; before I had my own PC the friends' PCs were monoccrome
13:29 schestowitz-TR2; CGA came later
13:29 schestowitz-TR2; then EGA and VGA
13:29 schestowitz-TR2; iirc, EGA was 8 colours
13:30 schestowitz-TR2; the CGA monitors had a green-only mode at the back
13:30 schestowitz-TR2; the PC itself had "turbo" mode
13:30 schestowitz-TR2; somehow all this was enough to keep us entertained and occupied
13:33 Techrights-sec; ack
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14:13 schestowitz-TR2; yesterday rianne and I spokem in the kitchen about the effect of inflation in our household
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; thinking aloud
14:13 schestowitz-TR2; turns out, we pay more or less the same fod food by 'cheating' the "system" with bargain hunting
14:14 schestowitz-TR2; and energy bills probably rose by no more than 20% this past year
14:14 schestowitz-TR2; maybe more, but it seems def. not more than 30%
14:14 schestowitz-TR2; many of the other expenses are all the same
14:14 schestowitz-TR2; so to us, given these circumstance, the relative inflation is like a negligible 50 pounds a month, maybe less
14:14 schestowitz-TR2; my dad is the same, he does not drive much and avoids "brands"
14:14 schestowitz-TR2; lots of articles today about truss/trump, with too much (imho) focus on energy prices
14:14 schestowitz-TR2; when the issues are a lot more profound than that
14:14 schestowitz-TR2; i wonder ;cuit bono' when all focus is shifted to money, esp. energy
14:30 Techrights-sec; ack
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15:49 schestowitz-TR2; my name is a dyin breed
15:49 schestowitz-TR2; rianne's name has a similar meaning but the female version
15:50 schestowitz-TR2; https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2012/10/27/coincidence-in-names/
=> ↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2012/10/27/coincidence-in-names/
15:50 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Coincidence in Names
16:10 Techrights-sec; ack
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16:51 Techrights-sec; Should the navigation menu in tm-new have a hyperlink to the latest post?
16:51 Techrights-sec; On the one hand, it'd be one more thing to break and would take navigation.html
16:51 Techrights-sec; out of Git. On the other hand, it could be generated as part of the update process.
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; good thing you brought that up
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; earlier today rianne said she could barely find her new page
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; as it was further down the list
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; I said it's roganised by more complex criteria
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; like number of updates, a surrogate for importance
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; the latest story has no meaning
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; as it's not chronological in the news sense
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; just the posting sense
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; so other sorting criteria or clustering might help
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; in www.tuxmachines.org I set apart latest and updated but a better
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; criteria might sort them roughly into categories
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; e.g. today's leftovers
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; howtos
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; and cluster them in the front page, maybe even ssi
16:54 schestowitz-TR2; ssi
16:55 Techrights-sec; The sorting is currently handled in SQL and not so much in Perl.
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; a few sieves (e.g. through titles) can help toss them into buckets
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; and then present a more clustered view based on patterns
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; without us having to enter tags or select categories
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; I thought about doing that in www.tm as I had already scanned for the word "UPDATED" (case sensitive, too)
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; the headline style has been consistent since susan ran it
16:57 schestowitz-TR2; so there is room for grouping stuff and not computionally-expensive, least of the factor being the one-off nature of static page generators
16:58 Techrights-sec; The updated records float to the top as it stands now.
17:01 schestowitz-TR2; time alone (or last updated) is a criterion that mnight not help organise the brain
17:01 schestowitz-TR2; I've long comp[lained that social control media was a sea/ocean of unrelated bullshiot
17:01 schestowitz-TR2; and the mind could not focus on a flow like literature...
17:01 schestowitz-TR2; one moment trump, then this other thing, then trump again, then a friend's photo...
17:01 schestowitz-TR2; in the case of GNU/Linux we had people who subscribe over rss to just on categroy or a set of categories of choice
17:01 schestowitz-TR2; but that is not the same thing
17:01 schestowitz-TR2; nor are the linux "homepages" that clsuetrr based on sources
17:01 schestowitz-TR2; rather than cluster based on themes, stories etc.
17:01 schestowitz-TR2; gulag noise USED to try to cluster relted stories
17:01 schestowitz-TR2; now it's optimised not to actually help the user!
17:03 schestowitz-TR2; case of poiint, some people LOOOOOVE howtos
17:03 schestowitz-TR2; they're HUNGRERY for them
17:03 schestowitz-TR2; and they say they are hungry for them
17:03 schestowitz-TR2; because they try to learn
17:03 schestowitz-TR2; and practice
17:03 schestowitz-TR2; and read up
17:03 schestowitz-TR2; and tinker
17:03 schestowitz-TR2; but people like me just mostly shelve them
17:03 schestowitz-TR2; OTOH, some people use Android, and more people over time, so to them a bunch of Android news can help
17:04 schestowitz-TR2; it is, after all, based on Linux
17:04 schestowitz-TR2; clustering let's people either focus or ignore something
17:04 schestowitz-TR2; "this shit isn't for me"
17:04 schestowitz-TR2; "oh, I LOVE this distro!"
17:05 schestowitz-TR2; it would probably be computationally cheap to split up the "more posts from TM" into 2-3 divs, with a crude automated attempt to classift them a bit
17:05 schestowitz-TR2; based on some logical, practical taxonomy
17:33 Techrights-sec; ack
17:33 Techrights-sec; Though only if they were updated in the last day or so.
17:33 Techrights-sec; Otherwise, they stay where they are in the sequence.
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17:56 schestowitz-TR2; gulag says it indexed about 2000 pages in the new site, plus many images
17:56 schestowitz-TR2; it's not something I truly care about, but that comes to show how "reputation" ranks
17:56 schestowitz-TR2; OTA
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18:27 schestowitz-TR2; Microsoft Windows TCO, but the Microsofters leave that part out https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/09/the-lockbit-ransomware-gang-is-surprisingly-professional.html
18:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The LockBit Ransomware Gang Is Surprisingly Professional - Schneier on Security
18:42 schestowitz; https://make.wordpress.org/security/2022/09/07/dropping-security-updates-for-wordpress-versions-3-7-through-4-0/
18:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-make.wordpress.org | Dropping security updates for WordPress versions 3.7 through 4.0 Making WordPress Secure
18:42 schestowitz; push comes to shove
18:42 schestowitz; let us shove bloated shit down your throats
18:42 schestowitz; react, JS, clown...
18:42 schestowitz; or else
18:43 Techrights-sec; ack
18:43 Techrights-sec; Looking at this:
18:43 Techrights-sec; Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 5,214
18:43 Techrights-sec; Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 1.13 (13.59)
18:43 Techrights-sec; (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05))
18:43 Techrights-sec; Schedule Estimate, Years (Months) = 0.56 (6.74)
18:43 Techrights-sec; (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38))
18:43 Techrights-sec; Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule) = 2.02
18:43 Techrights-sec; from D.A.W. sloccount
18:44 schestowitz-TR2; working from an office is not about productivity but about beint controlled
18:44 Techrights-sec; Agreed
19:09 Techrights-sec; Inline images are not part of the Gemini spec and should not be expected to
19:09 Techrights-sec; work or render in any clients; There was talk about other extenions in the
19:09 Techrights-sec; past before the mailing list was shut down. They were all rejected in favor
19:09 Techrights-sec; of maintaining the clean simplicity offered by the current specs.
19:09 Techrights-sec; https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/gemtext.gmi
=> ↺ https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/gemtext.gmi
19:09 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gemini.circumlunar.space | A quick introduction to "gemtext" markup
19:09 Techrights-sec; https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/specification.gmi
=> ↺ https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/specification.gmi
19:09 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gemini.circumlunar.space | Project Gemini
19:09 schestowitz-TR2; s/shut down/coredumped/
19:12 schestowitz-TR2; in some sense, the mailing list outlived its need
19:12 schestowitz-TR2; due to s/n ratio
19:12 schestowitz-TR2; because of antenna
19:12 schestowitz-TR2; using https archives
19:12 schestowitz-TR2; or email
19:12 schestowitz-TR2; where you can discuss the issues across capsules
19:12 schestowitz-TR2; seemed somewhat unnecessary
19:12 schestowitz-TR2; but many are accustomed to mailing lists
19:12 schestowitz-TR2; they can be a lot of work to keep abrease of
19:12 schestowitz-TR2; and a lot of b/w wasted due to how it handles threading
19:14 Techrights-sec; Anyway, in Gemini there is no such thing as inline graphics, so it would
19:14 Techrights-sec; be unwise to promote the false idea.
19:14 Techrights-sec; Almost, there were still a lot of uses for it, but if the purpose was to
19:14 Techrights-sec; define or polish the specification then, yes, it was done.
19:14 schestowitz-TR2; discussing the spcs can be done using bugzilla or other such tools
19:14 schestowitz-TR2; like gitlab
19:14 schestowitz-TR2; nbot that I'm a fna of it
19:14 schestowitz-TR2; better org
19:14 schestowitz-TR2; de-dupe
19:14 schestowitz-TR2; organisation
19:14 schestowitz-TR2; and s/n ratio
19:16 Techrights-sec; Though there is still the bug about large files.
19:16 Techrights-sec; Mail is better threaded than the competing options, for the most part. It
19:16 Techrights-sec; is all about avoiding web mail and using a proper client with sorting, filtering
19:16 Techrights-sec; and other capabilities.
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; chats and email lists feel different
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; but like bosses who sell to us "productivity" (when all they seek is spying on "the people I own")
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; the purpose of these isn't to enhance productivity
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; I nthink you youirself (or a feed from your opml)
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; mentioned how it was time to give up on self-hosting email
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; because the "oligarchy" or "oligopoly" won
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; so what email used to be is not relevant to the present
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; now they expect you to register with gulag or gatesEpsteinMail to get through to recipient
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; and that means more spying and manipulation beyond ads
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; an fucking around with good old protocols
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; fgor business reasona alone
19:18 schestowitz-TR2; "we OWN these now"
19:30 Techrights-sec; There was another article about giving up self-hosting.
19:30 Techrights-sec; (e-mail that is)
19:30 Techrights-sec; Self-hosting in general is getting harder and it seems that things are lining
19:30 Techrights-sec; up to prevent it in any form during the coming decade or so, unless the
19:30 Techrights-sec; direction we are heading changes.
19:31 schestowitz-TR2; but was self-hosting from home common at all in the dial-up era? I think not.
19:31 schestowitz-TR2; in some senses, we've made advances
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19:40 Techrights-sec; It was not really feasible during the dialup era. Though for a large fee
19:40 Techrights-sec; one could get a dedicated data line.
19:40 Techrights-sec; In contrast, today from an infrastructural perspecitive it is trivial to host
19:40 Techrights-sec; at home. The main risk is overprovisioning. There is a lot to gain from
19:40 Techrights-sec; economy of scale at data centers, but that comes at the loss of control and
19:40 Techrights-sec; privacy. Around 20+ years ago, most major companies refused to use online
19:40 Techrights-sec; databases because they were concerned about how much competitive advantage
19:40 Techrights-sec; they would lose by leaking all their activities to external observers.
19:41 schestowitz-TR2; I think we need to rock the boat and bit
19:41 schestowitz-TR2; and urge others to do the same
19:41 schestowitz-TR2; for self-hosting to be "a thing"
19:41 schestowitz-TR2; then, there will be too many shouting "plebs"
19:41 schestowitz-TR2; to outright ban the practice
19:41 schestowitz-TR2; same for:
19:41 schestowitz-TR2; rejection of SpyMeters
19:41 schestowitz-TR2; ejection is 'self [sic] service' [sic] checkouts
19:43 Techrights-sec; Agreed. Though it is getting harder with the two remaining major browsers
19:43 Techrights-sec; under control of the same company. A company so hostile to self-hosting
19:43 Techrights-sec; that it gives grief to self-signed certificates while allowing all manner
19:43 Techrights-sec; of dodgy CAs to be represented in each browser. Further, other projects
19:43 Techrights-sec; like wget and paho don't deal with self-signed (self-vouched for) certificates
19:43 Techrights-sec; or even popular stuff like Let's Encrypt.
19:44 schestowitz-TR2; wget and curl both have options
19:44 schestowitz-TR2; you can alter defaultas
19:44 schestowitz-TR2; (I've always felt quiet resentment over how Snowden bragged his leaks stirred up shit for SSL everywhere
19:44 schestowitz-TR2; to the point it was exploited for another KIND of power grab)
19:46 schestowitz-TR2; [15:21] When you expose the surveillance state https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/06/new-book-says-nsa-pressured-gchq-to-shut-down-publication-of-snowden-leaks-by-uk-journalists/ | Source: Techdirt
19:46 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-New Book Says NSA Pressured GCHQ To Shut Down Publication Of Snowden Leaks By UK Journalists | Techdirt
19:46 schestowitz-TR2; [15:21] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- New Book Says NSA Pressured GCHQ To Shut Down Publication Of Snowden Leaks By UK Journalists | Techdirt
19:48 Techrights-sec; The option with wget is to /ignore/ the certificates. That's not a feasible
19:48 Techrights-sec; solution for either self-vouched for certificates or certificates which
19:48 Techrights-sec; have been vouched for by Let's Encrypt.
19:48 Techrights-sec; Those leaks were quickly brushed under the rug and the highlighted transgressions normalized.
19:48 Techrights-sec; The point of SSL everywhere is not privacy, something which is obviated
19:48 Techrights-sec; by the CA list. The point of SSL everywhere is to ban sites which have
19:48 Techrights-sec; not been subjugated to an 'authorized' business or organization's CA.
19:48 Techrights-sec; Again, it's about control. And censorship.
19:48 Techrights-sec; And turning the Internet, but first the Web, read-only.
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19:51 schestowitz-TR2; as you say, and you tell me nothing I didn't think of already ( :) ), we're just waiting for some events to validate these concerns
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; like Lenovo with Windows-only laptops
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; either way, yes, it is about control and the more people resist, the better
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; EFF and FSF won't do a thing sadly
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; or barely a thing
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; FSF even outsourced IRC to some lousy gits
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; I didn't likie freenode even before the scandals
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; but it was a network effect thing
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; there was only one major network
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; to the point where freenode was implicit when you mentioned irc
19:51 schestowitz-TR2; except maybe in non-techj context or games
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; -----
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; of note: wikileaks configured its own irc network, but some pedo (siggi, iceland) was controlled by fbi to spy on that network
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; maybe also direct messages between people on that network
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; not sure if his perversion was used for enhanced blackmail
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; they put him behind bars eventually, regardless...
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; some others died, like @6 in twitter.... lamo
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; ardian
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; adrian
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; I spoke to him a few times
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; not a pleasnat person
19:54 schestowitz-TR2; a snake
19:55 Techrights-sec; Meanwhile, 'chat control' is wending its way through the EU bureaucracy.
19:55 Techrights-sec; EFF and FSF are quiet on that topic too.
19:55 Techrights-sec; Freenode was abused to centralize IRC. Several powerful interests dislike
19:55 Techrights-sec; and/or are disturbed by decentralized services and appear to fight them by
19:55 Techrights-sec; various means.
19:55 Techrights-sec; Or if that was a means to control him and steer him to enter the organization
19:55 Techrights-sec; on their behalf?
19:55 Techrights-sec; Like m$ used M$ Peter and probably held threats over him to get him into
19:55 Techrights-sec; somewhere, anywhere, and writing to further their agenda.
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; we can only ever speculate about that
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; i'll get back to posting links in TM noiw
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; rianne is doing more practice
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; and we'll see the attorney on friday to finalise things
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; for this exa they give the result on the spot
19:57 schestowitz-TR2; she will get easy pass
19:57 Techrights-sec; Speculate but there seem to have been lots of circumstantial material,
19:57 Techrights-sec; especially retrospectively, pointing to that conclusion.
19:57 Techrights-sec; ack
19:59 schestowitz-TR2; circumstantial material -> trolled in socail control media
19:59 schestowitz-TR2; police files -> trolls silent in social control media, look for other targets
19:59 schestowitz-TR2; 'softer' targets
20:16 schestowitz-TR2; of note but unimportant:
20:16 schestowitz-TR2; a) takes about a quarter the time it did before to add a new TM page
20:16 schestowitz-TR2; b) I've just added a gif file, it took over a minute to convert that animated gif
20:16 schestowitz-TR2; c) server has 32 cpu cores, iirc (top, press 1)
20:16 schestowitz-TR2; d) rianne will be back to posting as normal this weekend
20:20 Techrights-sec; ack
20:27 Techrights-sec; b) which script?
20:27 schestowitz-TR2; thwe test uploader
20:27 schestowitz-TR2; I've just checked resultant file sizes
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20:45 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/gvlx/status/1566481951434936320
=> ↺ https://twitter.com/gvlx/status/1566481951434936320
20:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gvlx: Trouble on LF? https://t.co/WfgkHbeDKy via @schestowitz #OpenSource @linuxfoundation
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