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Posted in Apple, GNU/Linux, Google, Patents at 8:28 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz
Summary: Another angle on the Apple vs Nokia case
WE all know that Apple sued Linux/Android without any prior provocation from the side of Linux/Android. It makes Apple a patent aggressor, but some people cite Nokia as an example of Apple being the victim of a Linux-supporting company [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]. In our third IRC channel (#boycottnovell-social) we have just discussed the point which came to us via Identi.ca [1, 2] (language warning, as it’s IRC and microblogging).
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To make a long story short, Oiaohm insisted that it was Apple’s fault as it started to provoke Linux-based products (such as Palm’s WebOS) using patents. He explained that Nokia’s action was defensive in a proactive sense. Partial log is below. █
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schestowitz“although nokia has been fairly good to free software, when they pull bullshit like that they deserve to be called out [..] hey where was all the stories about nokia when they brought all the litigation with apple for bullshit patents?” @eeefak I wrote about that a lot and denounced Nokia since 2008 http://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+apple+nokia&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=Jun 04 09:51phIRCe-localTitle: site:techrights.org apple nokia – Google Search .::. Size~: 35.96 KBJun 04 09:51oiaohmSome peopleJun 04 10:24oiaohmApple started itJun 04 10:24oiaohmNever mess with nokiaJun 04 10:24oiaohmNokia is truly one of the most friendly companies out there. If nokia used all the patents they had they could have 100 percent of the market.Jun 04 10:25schestowitzApple started it?Jun 04 10:26schestowitzI think Nokia didJun 04 10:26oiaohmApple started it.Jun 04 10:34oiaohmTrying to apply font patents on NokiaJun 04 10:34oiaohmSometimes you should leave well enough alone.Jun 04 10:34schestowitzI see..Jun 04 10:35oiaohmIe apple poked nokia with small stick.Jun 04 10:36oiaohmNokia pulled out huge cub and procedded to beat them into the ground.Jun 04 10:36oiaohmNokia is fine as long as you are not dumb enough to poke them.Jun 04 10:37schestowitzAny link on that?Jun 04 10:37schestowitzI thought Nokia had struck firstJun 04 10:37oiaohmIe apple saber rattled.Jun 04 10:38oiaohmI did have the link.Jun 04 10:38oiaohmIt was over there iphone they made a statement and nokia kinda exploded.Jun 04 10:38oiaohmBasically nokia believe in pemetive strick if they get wind of you planing to hit them.Jun 04 10:40schestowitzShow it to me, plsJun 04 10:40schestowitzit’s /very/ importantJun 04 10:40schestowitzI accused Nokia is being the first to strikeJun 04 10:40schestowitzI’d love to show Apple started itJun 04 10:41oiaohmI know what the tech was about trying to get google to play ball.Jun 04 10:43schestowitzLet me know if you find thisJun 04 10:47schestowitzYou’re usually right about this stuffJun 04 10:47schestowitzBut I ought to at least show evidence from Apple/NokiaJun 04 10:47oiaohmIts two things.Jun 04 10:50oiaohmMulti-touch and fonts. schestowitzJun 04 10:50oiaohmApple was saber rattling about multi-touch attacked quite a few companies. Nokia needs multi-touch to stay competitive.Jun 04 10:51oiaohmNokia has a lot of core patents. Basically hit Apple hard get a good patent deal.Jun 04 10:51schestowitzBut did Apple threaten Nokia?Jun 04 10:52MinceRfor yourself, that isJun 04 10:52MinceRcrApple needs to be hit harder so they won’t oppress the industry any moreJun 04 10:52oiaohmNokia don’t have to threat them before they will hit you.Jun 04 10:54oiaohmIf you place your self as a tech road block.Jun 04 10:54oiaohmThey will steam roll you.Jun 04 10:54oiaohmBasically apple threating other companies over multi-touch basically put themselves in nokia target to be neturalised before they can attack nokia.Jun 04 10:55oiaohmBe a nice company and nokia is nice to you.Jun 04 10:55oiaohmbe a asshole company hope nokia has nothing on you.Jun 04 10:55MinceRand what has Xiph done against Nokia, then?Jun 04 10:57oiaohmhttp://industry.bnet.com/technology/10004789/apple-multi-touch-patent-on-shaky-ground/ And this is the bit that tops it all.Jun 04 10:57phIRCe-localTitle: Apple Multi-Touch Patent on Shaky Ground | BNET Technology Blog | BNET .::. Size~: 57.85 KBJun 04 10:57oiaohmApples patent might be completely worthless.Jun 04 10:57MinceRdon’t forget Nokia’s attack on HTML5.Jun 04 10:58oiaohmDefine attack.Jun 04 10:59oiaohmLot of stuff against Xiph nokia showed was stuff they had licenced from other companies not there own stuff.Jun 04 10:59oiaohmAlso hardware decoders are more power effective ie longer battery live.Jun 04 11:00schestowitzhttp://blog.wolfire.com/2010/06/Aquaria-goes-open-sourceJun 04 11:00phIRCe-localTitle: Aquaria goes open source! – Wolfire Games Blog .::. Size~: 20.09 KBJun 04 11:00MinceRNokia along with crApple made sure that HTML5 has no default recommendation for codecsJun 04 11:00MinceRwhen it could have been Theora/Vorbis.Jun 04 11:00MinceRthat was an asshole moveJun 04 11:01MinceRit was said that Nokia did it so they could force DRM-encrusted shit the throats of users.Jun 04 11:01oiaohmYep Nokia was on of the first to support VP8Jun 04 11:01MinceRs/hit/hit down/Jun 04 11:01MinceRthere was no VP8 back then.Jun 04 11:01schestowitzMaybe it would not have been necessaryJun 04 11:02oiaohmNokia was also the first to call google to release vp8Jun 04 11:02schestowitzYouTUbe could use OggJun 04 11:02schestowitzGoogle bought a company insteadJun 04 11:02oiaohmTo solve issue MinceRJun 04 11:02MinceRit was a nonissueJun 04 11:02schestowitzNokia support Microsoft’s Silver LieJun 04 11:03schestowitzSince early 2008Jun 04 11:03oiaohmThere are a few issue with TheoraJun 04 11:03MinceRalso, don’t forget Nokia’s whining about how the FLOSS community should just do what Nokia wants and help them put DRM everywhere.Jun 04 11:03schestowitzAri’s rantJun 04 11:03MinceRwhat issues? slightly less efficient than the holy H.264?Jun 04 11:03oiaohmVorbis you can build hardware decoders for quite well.Jun 04 11:03oiaohmH264 the same.Jun 04 11:03schestowitzLinux users “need some education”Jun 04 11:03MinceRor perhaps VC-1? (lol)Jun 04 11:03oiaohmTheora has issues when you try to turn it into power effective circuit.Jun 04 11:04oiaohmVC-1 is worse than Theora in a circuit.Jun 04 11:04MinceRso what do you recommend? i’d recommend using a CPU.Jun 04 11:04oiaohmDecated cirucit does not take as much power and lets the cpu run slow and pull less power.Jun 04 11:05oiaohmRemember lot of Nokia devices are about days of battery life.Jun 04 11:05[...]oiaohmhttp://mashable.com/2009/01/26/apple-multi-touch-patent/ /2010/06/04/apple-vs-nokia-whose-fault/ Permalink
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