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neighborleeschestowitz, thx indeedAug 20 19:07schestowitzself_liar: for Mono?Aug 20 19:07self_liarschestowitz: noAug 20 19:08neighborleeself_liar, I wont use anything not 100% free, which gtk is ( except now its tarnished with .net crud)Aug 20 19:08self_liarschestowitz: kde without mono is greatAug 20 19:08schestowitzKDE had no Mono commits in the last report (hooks from Richard Dale). I keep an eye on it.Aug 20 19:08self_liarschestowitz: kde with mono is not goodAug 20 19:08neighborleenot that aI dont ‘respet’ what kde offers, but atm its encubmered IMHO, with qtAug 20 19:08self_liarschestowitz: sorry for my bad englishAug 20 19:08schestowitzself_liar: it’s all right.Aug 20 19:09schestowitzPJ is also concerned about Mono/OOXML/KDEAug 20 19:09schestowitzNovell is likely to try to spread Mono. It’s its ‘added value’Aug 20 19:09neighborleeeek gad,,yes im sure of itAug 20 19:09self_liar novell buy mattias family , im afraid of thisAug 20 19:10neighborleeand remember due to the M$/novel deal, they spread word about M$ stuff,,as does M$ for linux..supposedly..Aug 20 19:10schestowitzAs illustrated in my pictures, which is now on ZDnet (http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2803 )Aug 20 19:10schestowitzmattias family??Aug 20 19:10self_liarschestowitz: mattias etrich ,the founder of kde and amarokAug 20 19:10schestowitzOh!Aug 20 19:11self_liarschestowitz: matthis ettrichAug 20 19:11benJImanneighborlee: No more encumbered than linux.Aug 20 19:11self_liarschestowitz: matthias ettrichAug 20 19:11schestowitzOf course… is he still vocal? I saw him in an EFYTimes article, but his friends seem to have taken the stage.Aug 20 19:11schestowitzNovell is also promoting Microsoft technologies, which harms everyone like Sun and IBM (ODF, Java, etc,).Aug 20 19:12self_liarschestowitz: the go-oo site attacks open office in silenceAug 20 19:13neighborleebenJIman, no I mean gtk vs qtAug 20 19:13benJImanneighborlee: What do you mean?Aug 20 19:13benJImanQt is GPLed, so is Linux.Aug 20 19:13neighborleenoAug 20 19:13neighborleeits not gpl for windowsAug 20 19:13neighborleeerrAug 20 19:13neighborleecrapAug 20 19:13neighborleeI mean for commercial usageAug 20 19:13benJImanneighborlee: Wrong, it is GPL for windows too.Aug 20 19:13neighborleeyesAug 20 19:14neighborleeI mean for commercial usageAug 20 19:14benJImanYou can write commercial GPL applications of course.Aug 20 19:14neighborleeits just that gtk gives you the power to do what you wish with itAug 20 19:14neighborleeto me thats total freedomAug 20 19:14benJImanLinux is GPLed too, so people are not allowed to distribute proprietary drivers for it.Aug 20 19:14neighborleethen the user decides from thereAug 20 19:14benJImanSo why do you use linux? Shouldn’t you be using bsd?Aug 20 19:14neighborleemost likely yes indeed, good point.Aug 20 19:15neighborleebut I can’tAug 20 19:15neighborleeI dont trust itAug 20 19:15neighborleeI dont trust many things about bsdAug 20 19:15self_liarI don t like to use linux as example of free softwareAug 20 19:15self_liarlinus et al. are corruptedAug 20 19:15neighborleewoah nellie ;))))Aug 20 19:16neighborleebut hey, if you have proof im willing to listen, as always !Aug 20 19:16self_liarThe linux “foundation” does not help free software comunnityAug 20 19:16TallkenI like LinusAug 20 19:16self_liarself_liar: canonical now helps linux foundationAug 20 19:16self_liaroops ,a mistakeAug 20 19:16neighborleewe know they dont help kernel..or is that what you were getting at ??Aug 20 19:17self_liarLinus is false,in revolution os ,he uses a reilly open source t-shirtAug 20 19:17neighborleelolAug 20 19:17self_liarself_liar: linux “foundation” gains all credit about free softwareAug 20 19:18self_liaroops a mistake againAug 20 19:18self_liarthe “foundation” does not consider problems like novell and microsoftAug 20 19:19self_liarfor them all is “technical decisions”Aug 20 19:19self_liarbusiness decisionsAug 20 19:19schestowitzI don’t trust the LF, either.,Aug 20 19:19self_liarfor example reiser4Aug 20 19:19self_liarI like the filesystemAug 20 19:19schestowitzCome to consider the fact that IBM endorsed the Novell/Microsoft deal. They try to dilute and ruin Free software, then take just the code. Watch the recent Lotus move.Aug 20 19:20neighborleeself_liar, I never had trouble running reiserfs come to think o fit yesAug 20 19:20self_liarbut novell ,IBM and intel enforces do not use a software from prisioneerAug 20 19:20neighborleeself_liar, faster as well.,I wonder about #4Aug 20 19:20schestowitzOn my SUSE 8.1, Resier lasted fine for 3+ years.Aug 20 19:20self_liarand then the linux “foundation” uses a technical argumentAug 20 19:20schestowitzReiser I mean.Aug 20 19:20neighborleeschestowitz, sweetAug 20 19:21self_liar“reseifs is not good ,blabal”Aug 20 19:21neighborleereally ??Aug 20 19:21neighborleewoahAug 20 19:21neighborleemissed thatAug 20 19:21self_liaronly 1 developer support reiser4 with patchesAug 20 19:21self_liarandrew mortonAug 20 19:21schestowitzTaser taitned by Microsoft now: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/bus…Aug 20 19:22schestowitz“TASER International’s products protect life. TASER provides advanced Electronic Control Devices (ECDs) for use in the law enforcement, medical, military, corrections, professional security, and personal protection markets. TASER devices use proprietary technology to incapacitate dangerous, combative, or high-risk subjects who pose a risk to law enforcement officers, innocent citizens, or themselves in a manner that is generally reAug 20 19:22schestowitzcognized as a safer alternative to other uses of force.”Aug 20 19:22schestowitzWatch this or make a mental note in case they procure from Ballmer and the Boys in the future.Aug 20 19:23self_liarschestowitz: If softwate community destroy m$ in 25 years , m$ can not do thisAug 20 19:25schestowitzThe disease is spreading (XAML): http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor…Aug 20 19:25schestowitzMicrosoft is weakened by many things. The worst that can happen now is FOSS developers going into bed with Microsoft.You know, like Novell did. It colluded.Aug 20 19:26self_liarschestowitz: damn ,it’s bad!Aug 20 19:26self_liarschestowitz: toyota is a very respected company in japanAug 20 19:26schestowitzNot that bad. Microsoft is still losing.Aug 20 19:27schestowitzMSFT lost over $100 billion in value in less than one year.Aug 20 19:27self_liarschestowitz: i knowAug 20 19:27schestowitzEarlier I saw Pearly (Gates) and that other man who puts its stash in that tax-free haven (Fundation [sic]) taking a tour to Canada together. They still play politics.Aug 20 19:27schestowitzI was shocked but not surprised to hear that Gates also wants government control (and this time not by proxy).Aug 20 19:28self_liarschestowitz:heh like the “terminator”?Aug 20 19:29schestowitzI haven’t seen it since I was a kid, so I can’t remember.Aug 20 19:29schestowitzHere’s another boot-licking piece (too many of them today): http://directmag.com/opinions-columnists/l…Aug 20 19:31schestowitzOkay, so another Microsoft senior abandoned the ship. http://rcpmag.com/news/article…Aug 20 19:33neighborleeself_liar, hmm wow I had no idea andrew was supportin g that..thats very huge.Aug 20 19:33self_liarschestowitz: why this exodus happen?Aug 20 19:34schestowitzSomeone still maintains reiserfs. kerneltrap reported on that last week.Aug 20 19:34schestowitzself_liar: lots of the seniors leave because Microsoft is past its days of glory. They go backwards now, not forward. So seniors move on to new challenges.Aug 20 19:35neighborleeso , is hans actually in jail for life, I lost track of all that messAug 20 19:35schestowitzThe issue is the trail you have left of former-Softies. They ‘poison’ other companies by acting as insiders. Watch Xen and VMWare for example. Microsoft managers there…Aug 20 19:35schestowitzThey should rename his FS or something.Aug 20 19:36neighborleehehAug 20 19:36self_liarschestowitz: ok,but for me it’s very strangeAug 20 19:36self_liarschestowitz: I was thinking…..Aug 20 19:38self_liarschestowitz: developed countries is a lot more easy to use GNU linux than in developing countriesAug 20 19:38neighborleeto them, free matters alot Aug 20 19:39neighborleeopen source I should say.Aug 20 19:39self_liarschestowitz: in Brazil for example, more than 70% linux computers is changed for windowz pirated editionAug 20 19:39neighborleeyou mean they use windows pirated instead ?Aug 20 19:39schestowitzself_liar: yes, true. The rich ones will upgrade to FOSS last.Aug 20 19:39self_liarneighborlee: noAug 20 19:40schestowitzself_liar: just watch how the CH-based ISO gave the finger to developing countries.Aug 20 19:40neighborleeself_liar, ok sorry your grammar had me confused a bitAug 20 19:40self_liarneighborlee: okAug 20 19:40self_liarneighborlee: a lot of people buy pcs with linuxAug 20 19:40self_liarself_liar: it’s more cheap and more powerful pcsAug 20 19:41schestowitzHahaha. Watch the spin:Aug 20 19:41schestowitzhttp://www.adweek.com/aw/content_dis…Aug 20 19:41self_liarneighborlee: but a lot of people in one month changes for windowzAug 20 19:41schestowitzThe search business goes down every month and they say “it’s only the beginning.” Any plan? No. Yahoo? No. But it’s still “Early”.Aug 20 19:41self_liarneighborlee: you know ,addiction, the poor people does not know about free softwareAug 20 19:42schestowitzself_liar: how many people do you estimate use Linux (at some capacity) where you are?Aug 20 19:42schestowitzRecently I found that in a college in the US, 15-25% are said to be GNU/Linux users.Aug 20 19:42self_liarneighborlee: 8 percent i guess, at long timeAug 20 19:42schestowitzWhere is that, roughly?Aug 20 19:43schestowitzI saw some massive downloads of some distros I never heard about. Like 14 million in Brazil.Aug 20 19:43self_liarschestowitz: but the exodus rate is very highAug 20 19:43schestowitzHold on…Aug 20 19:44schestowitzIt’s out of date but good nonetheless: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/2…Aug 20 19:44self_liarschestowitz: a lot of people use linux because is better or give more knowledgeAug 20 19:45self_liarschestowitz: it’s not because freedoomAug 20 19:45self_liarschestowitz: they do not know nothing about GNUAug 20 19:46self_liarschestowitz: for me this is very BAD,Aug 20 19:46schestowitzThe press is FILLED with this non-announcement . W.E. must be busy pressuring journos to hype up HyperV. Aug 20 19:46self_liarschestowitz: only 8 percent (about 15 million) uses linuxAug 20 19:46schestowitzself_liar: had the press not been ignoring the adoption of FOSS in developing nations (rather than claim 90%+ for Microsoft, ignoring all but desktop), then RMS and his message would spread wider.Aug 20 19:47neighborleewell, its going to take time , with those not pooor for the option to catch onAug 20 19:47schestowitzWhich country is it, self_liar ?Aug 20 19:47neighborleebecause windows for many, is adequate..people want a reason to switchAug 20 19:47self_liarschestowitz:for me windowz it’not adequateAug 20 19:48schestowitzneighborlee: if you’re in AU (not sure), then expect people to switch last. Developing countries are key. Gates and other ‘dug dealers’ admit this when they talk about ‘addicting’ children.Aug 20 19:48self_liarschestowitz: and all windowz in desktop here is piratedAug 20 19:48neighborleeschestowitz, yupAug 20 19:49self_liarschestowitz: like the cigarretes campaingAug 20 19:49schestowitzself_liar: Microsoft makes little money in developing counties. It relies on those countries for “de facto standard” status.Aug 20 19:49neighborleeyeah…very insideousAug 20 19:49schestowitzI could show you memos Microsoft sends about treating ‘piracy’ in Brazil. It’s ugly.Aug 20 19:49self_liarschestowitz: can you show the memos?Aug 20 19:50schestowitzYes, I can try. I posted some in BN, but with 3700 posts it’ll take time to find.Aug 20 19:51self_liarschestowitz: oh ,don t worryAug 20 19:51moparx (n=moparx@pdpc/supporter/base/moparx) has joined #boycottnovellAug 20 19:51self_liarschestowitz: i will find ,it’s not need to showAug 20 19:51schestowitzTry finding one from Joachim.Aug 20 19:51schestowitzJoachim Kempin, that’s the chief with the dirty mouth. He shot down animals to death and got arrested some years ago.Aug 20 19:52self_liarschestowitz: ok ,thanks ,i will findAug 20 19:52schestowitzBig Brother Ballmer just found: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/8/microsoft…Aug 20 19:53schestowitzWhat makes this laughable is the smears Microsoft uses against Google, claiming it is the devil for spying. Microsoft has off-site spyware as well: IE, Windows.Aug 20 19:55MinceRthey’re both the devil for spyingAug 20 19:56schestowitzMicrosoft turns WMP to spyware because of RealNetworks, according to RMS.Aug 20 19:56schestowitz“But he started it!!!” Great logic right there.Aug 20 19:56MinceRAug 20 19:57schestowitzLot of Windows 7 vapouware announcements I see among the headlines right now (I bring them up as I go along very quickly ).Aug 20 19:57self_liarschestowitz: look at the wine page about homogeneous populationAug 20 19:58schestowitzThey must be feeling the heat if they make false promises. In their own words:In the face of strong competition, Evangelism’s focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X.” http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdfAug 20 19:58schestowitzGot URL?Aug 20 19:58self_liarschestowitz: wait a momentAug 20 19:59schestowitzMS goes bio-spying: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/828…Aug 20 19:59self_liarhttp://www.winehq.org/site/whyAug 20 19:59self_liarYet, The US Department of Justice has “found” that Microsoft Windows is run by more than 95% of personal computers. Even taking Apple’s Mac OS into account, Microsoft Windows is still present on more than 80% of computers, and this is likely also true in most other countries, not just in the US. Thus governments, companies and home users all over the world ultimately depend on a single provider: Microsoft.Aug 20 19:59Tallken has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))Aug 20 20:00schestowitz looksAug 20 20:00self_liarhttp://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f…Aug 20 20:00schestowitzA Web page for USDoJ is nice. Action would be nicer. DoJ is corrupt.Aug 20 20:01schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/23…Aug 20 20:01self_liarschestowitz:M$ always spy users ,a lot of timeAug 20 20:03self_liarschestowitz:windows, update, windows media player, IE, windows searchAug 20 20:03schestowitzHere’e ZeeDee defending Microsoft with gentle words: http://www.electronista.com/arti… http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1533 Yeah, like Gates, who invites the Chinese leaders to his house, can’t intercept justice. This is ridiculous. And they contact the FTC in Taiwan. The FTC too is corrupt. Majoras et al…Aug 20 20:05schestowitzself_liar: Yes, I know. Companies follow each others’ bad standards and the sufferers are all of us.Aug 20 20:06self_liarschestowitz:in my coutry a lot of people are stupidAug 20 20:07schestowitzSome time ago I sent GL a headsup about Microsoft bloggers joining forces to spread marketing across the Web. I wonder if this news is related: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource…Aug 20 20:07schestowitz‘professional’-grade astroturfing?Aug 20 20:08schestowitzself_liar: stupidity is everywhere. It’s a matter of focus. I’m stupid when it comes to lots of things.Aug 20 20:08self_liarschestowitz: yes , but my people attacks the goverment instead of microsoftAug 20 20:09schestowitzThe key is for techies to engage in coversation with — say — football buffs and explain to them about what we know better.Aug 20 20:09schestowitzSame with pol;itics. Propaganda terms are used by the MAFIAA and software companies to pass new laws that politicians (lawyers) just can’t understand.Aug 20 20:10schestowitzIs it Brazil?Aug 20 20:10self_liarschestowitz: yesAug 20 20:10schestowitzGilberto Gill is a hero.Aug 20 20:10self_liarschestowitz: for exampleAug 20 20:10schestowitzGilAug 20 20:10schestowitzHe should be made PM, not minister of culture. A country needs culture, not lawyers and economists.Aug 20 20:11self_liarschestowitz: Ther a law here which enforce all ISP backup infos about usersAug 20 20:11self_liarschestowitz: for me it’s not a great problemAug 20 20:11self_liarschestowitz: microsoft always do thisAug 20 20:12schestowitzVideos @ Aug 20 20:12schestowitzhttp://www.archive.org/search.ph…Aug 20 20:12self_liarschestowitz: but my people hate de goverment instead of microsoftAug 20 20:12schestowitzself_liar: I was going to write about it today. I posted 2 links about the situation in Brazil yesterday.Aug 20 20:12schestowitzGates visited Brazil some time ago. I think he signed some ‘special’ deal.Aug 20 20:13self_liarschestowitz: do you know about this?Aug 20 20:14schestowitzDescription of the original: Bill Gates and Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva in Davos. Photo:ABr. Date:Jan/26/2003. http://commons.wikimedia…Aug 20 20:14schestowitzI don’t know much about the relationships there, no.Aug 20 20:15self_liarschestowitz: i will find more info about thisAug 20 20:15self_liari need to goAug 20 20:15self_liarbyeAug 20 20:15schestowitzSee you.Aug 20 20:15self_liar has quit (“http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client”)Aug 20 20:16schestowitzA Microsoft exec takes over VMWarer and h00pla! http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/ar… “VMware, Microsoft Decide to Play Nice [...] Virtualization newbie Microsoft and market leader VMware play nice, up to a point, with validation program. “Aug 20 20:18neighborleeschestowitz, isn’t a big part of defense of mono, that to legally abide with using it you must download from novel, which violates gpl ,,or am I missing something as im getting ready to post something on ubuntuAug 20 20:21neighborleeits tricky following all of this and looking like you know what your talking about LOLAug 20 20:21schestowitzNo, that’s Moonlight.Aug 20 20:21neighborleesighAug 20 20:21neighborleeno i mean the novel/M$ dealAug 20 20:21schestowitzMoonight you need to get from Novell and ‘protection’ is not there. Mono is another issue and the lead developer/manager of the Silverlight team admitted that Mono is only ‘safe’ for Novell customers.Aug 20 20:23neighborleeok so it applies to both themAug 20 20:23neighborleeok so it applies to both thenAug 20 20:23neighborleeok thxAug 20 20:23schestowitzBlech! http://www.networkworld.com/news/2… http://news.zdnet.co.uk/softwar…Aug 20 20:24schestowitzYes, in a way. Moonlight depends on Mono, too.Aug 20 20:24neighborleedo you have url for where silverlight manager admitted this mono thingAug 20 20:25schestowitzYes, hold on.Aug 20 20:25neighborleekewl thxAug 20 20:25schestowitz“Moonlight is usable for anyone on any distribution of Linux (redhat, ubuntu, etc.) — it is not limited just to Novell as Mono is.”Aug 20 20:26schestowitz-Brian Goldfarb [Microsoft]Aug 20 20:26schestowitzIt’s in ZDNet.Aug 20 20:26Ziggyfish has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))Aug 20 20:26schestowitzhttp://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-105…Aug 20 20:26neighborleeok thxAug 20 20:27schestowitzThis links should work: http://talkback.zdnet.com/52…Aug 20 20:28schestowitzGrrrrr…. once again Microsoft uses Bollywood to play up its products. Yash Raj Films Partners with Microsoft Xbox 360 for Bachna Ae Haseeno – http://www.gameguru.in/microsoft-xbo…Aug 20 20:30neighborleewellAug 20 20:36neighborleethey are doing what they can to ressurerect a dieing breedAug 20 20:36neighborleeWii is ruling them all atm, faictAug 20 20:36neighborleebetween wii, wiifit, wiisports etc.,etc, and the much lower price I think they are all sufffering quite alot.Aug 20 20:37neighborleeI know, having a wii, how incredibly immersive it is ;))Aug 20 20:37schestowitzI would choose a WiiAug 20 20:37schestowitzThe controller makes it a new experience.Aug 20 20:37neighborleethats what did it for me yesAug 20 20:38neighborleethat and the accessible simple’ish gameplay for everyoneAug 20 20:38neighborleesimple but quite effective.Aug 20 20:38neighborleewiisports I meanAug 20 20:38schestowitzThe world needs a new paradigm… adults anyway.Aug 20 20:40neighborleewell I never understood really , why having fun had to mean gore and blood and violenceAug 20 20:41neighborleeits so not the case..ask any tennis player Aug 20 20:41neighborlee of whom is one, since age 16 :))Aug 20 20:42neighborleethats how wii hooked me ;))hahAug 20 20:42neighborleeline and sinker LOLAug 20 20:42neighborleeive had it for over a year now , and I still love playing wiitennis, its that much fun ;))Aug 20 20:42schestowitzViolent games can be fun too. But the militgary fantasies are telly-imposed, I think.Aug 20 20:42neighborleewell society is used to violent games, even though really one must admit they have no redeeming social value Aug 20 20:43neighborleebut yes clearly many are hooked on them for varoius reasons.Aug 20 20:43neighborleeI didn’t grow up with a computer or such games..boring board games, so I was never hooked as the young of today areAug 20 20:44neighborleetrendsAug 20 20:45schestowitzMcirosoft is renowned for gore and violence… and sexual content. it gets in trouble for it.Aug 20 20:45schestowitzThough I could list some examples here…Aug 20 20:45neighborleewasn’t aware of that at allAug 20 20:45neighborleeinterestingAug 20 20:46neighborleebe nice if games that had such things, at least let you toggle them offAug 20 20:46neighborleeI can think of one game offhand that does..UT2004Aug 20 20:46schestowitzI’ll get your some readings…Aug 20 20:46neighborleekewlAug 20 20:46schestowitzBritish Government Fires Back at EA & Microsoft: http://www.thegamereviews.com/stor…Aug 20 20:48schestowitzHalo 3 Korea Promotion Part 2 ~ ver1~ : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld…Aug 20 20:48schestowitzMicrosoft XBox Banned Commercials: http://www.mall.hk/news/2007/08/2…Aug 20 20:48schestowitzUK advertising authority nixes Xbox 360 spot: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mic…Aug 20 20:48schestowitzViral Marketing Leads to Mock Gunfight: http://www.onthexbox.com/news981.htmlAug 20 20:48schestowitzWhatsWrongWithU: http://www.armchairempire.com/News/?p=187Aug 20 20:48schestowitzThose Microsoft Vista ads are really bizarre: http://www.adjab.com/2007/01/15/t…Aug 20 20:48schestowitzFormer Miss Austrlia to sex up IT industry: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4157506a28.htmlAug 20 20:48schestowitzSo THIS is why people want Windows! : http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=388Aug 20 20:48neighborleethis mono thing from M$ silverlight lead show totallly put an end to this whole ‘mono is ecma standard’ thing right ???Aug 20 20:49neighborleeif im understanding all thisAug 20 20:50neighborleeits just alot to process Aug 20 20:50neighborleeeven so, it violates gpl by making you get source from one location , if I read correctly.Aug 20 20:51schestowitz neighborlee yes, Moonlight is analysed in Groklaw, too. The SFLC does not like it.Aug 20 20:51schestowitzneighborlee: Moonlight needs binary codecs for compatibility. That’s downstream code (well, binary) from Mcirosoft.Aug 20 20:52neighborleeEEKAug 20 20:52neighborleetalk about a mess LOLAug 20 20:52neighborleeohhh but its ok to use LOLAug 20 20:52neighborleeit just keeps getting better Aug 20 20:52schestowitzAre you discussing this in Ubuntu Forums?Aug 20 20:53neighborleenot yetAug 20 20:53neighborleeI was preparing properly to avoid ambush :)-0Aug 20 20:53neighborleehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=…Aug 20 20:54neighborleeneed to rsepoind toLaRoza ,,who claims mono follows ecma standard lolAug 20 20:54schestowitzWatch this troll comment: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Gno…Aug 20 20:55schestowitzI spotted it after seeing this article: http://www.linux.com/feed/145352Aug 20 20:56schestowitzI’m sick on Mono boosters on the Web. Some are paid “Evangelist” from Microsoft. I saw some signing that way when boosting Silverlight.Aug 20 20:56trmancoI’ve heard that there is a new version of moonlightAug 20 21:01trmancoLooks like the team developing it is all fired up shameAug 20 21:02schestowitzI’ve also heard there’s a new pickle in the neighbour’s jar. Aug 20 21:02trmancoAug 20 21:02schestowitzWhat do you mean by fired up?Aug 20 21:03trmancothey are really on to itAug 20 21:03schestowitzActually, based on Jason Perlow’s coversation with Miguel, things stood in the way and Moonlight LOST steam.Aug 20 21:03schestowitzI can find this if needed.Aug 20 21:03schestowitzFound it. “And sadly, there are very few people willing to contribute to make this happen on time.””Aug 20 21:05trmancosure, I would love to take a peak on that, if you don’t mind finding itAug 20 21:05schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9214Aug 20 21:05trmancothanksAug 20 21:05schestowitzBut right now, Moonlight only supports Silverlight 1.0 apps, and NBCOlympics.com is implemented using 2.0. As Novell’s chief Mono/Moonlight developer, Miguel de Icaza told me several weeks ago before the NBCOlympics content launch, “Work on this has started, but it will take a lot of work. And sadly, there are very few people willing to contribute to make this happen on time.”Aug 20 21:05schestowitzI hope that some SUSE/Novell devs will sober up and realise what they do to F/LOSSAug 20 21:06trmanco“Work on this has started, but it will take a lot of work. And sadly, there are very few people willing to contribute to make this happen on time.” oh really, no wonder Aug 20 21:07trmancowho is going to contribute to such a thing?Aug 20 21:07schestowitzMicrosoft?Aug 20 21:08trmancowell, yesAug 20 21:08trmancobut they are the creators, right?Aug 20 21:09schestowitzI don’t know if they put money into it, but they sure give documentation. They need Novell to pretend that Silverlight is crossplatform**, for the regulators.Aug 20 21:09trmancopretend Aug 20 21:09schestowitz[**] (small prints - just some trashy second-class catch-up work because GNU/Linux is Microsoft’s #1 threat to sabotage).Aug 20 21:09neighborleeschestowitz, what LOLAug 20 21:10neighborleethougy I do like pickles lolAug 20 21:10schestowitzWell, the neighbour’s pickle you can’t have. Ballmer would wrestle you for it.Aug 20 21:13schestowitzAnd that’s Moonlight. It’s a piece of cheese in an open…………….. bear trap.Aug 20 21:14trmancoRemember when Ballmer was received in Hungary with eggs thrown at his face?Aug 20 21:16MinceR remembersAug 20 21:17MinceR(i’m hungarian)Aug 20 21:17schestowitzHahaha, http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/27688/Aug 20 21:17trmancoWell, I loved thatAug 20 21:17schestowitzMinceR: seen the latest action against MS i Hungary? Just days/weeks old…Aug 20 21:18trmancoI hope it happens more often, but with different objectsAug 20 21:18trmancoschestowitz: you are getting famousAug 20 21:18schestowitzNa… in LXer there was some BN haters.Aug 20 21:19schestowitzThe good news is that EVEN LXer is changing its view.Aug 20 21:19schestowitzThe people in Linux Today, by contast, seem to love my posts most of the time. Digg also. It’s just some people in LXer who defend(ed) Mono.Aug 20 21:19trmancomaybe devs?Aug 20 21:20schestowitzMaybe. I don’t know them.Aug 20 21:20trmancoor some people contributing to the mno projectAug 20 21:20schestowitzSome are German, so they are protective of S.u.S.E.Aug 20 21:20MinceRi’m not sure which action was latestAug 20 21:21schestowitzIn FSDaily it’s a different story. There’s no defence of Novell there. Same in Linux Today. I don’t know why, but the crowds are different. Groklaw people are also OK with BN.Aug 20 21:21trmancoSuSe use te be a good distro a couple of years backAug 20 21:21schestowitzIt still is, technically speaking.Aug 20 21:21trmancowell yesAug 20 21:21schestowitzSusan Linton reckons it’s better than Mandriva ATM, having been the opposite a year ago.Aug 20 21:22trmancoto bad the company supporting it is going to the wrong sideAug 20 21:22schestowitzit’s not surprising.Aug 20 21:22schestowitzMicrosoft needed to grab a potetial leaderAug 20 21:22schestowitzpotentialAug 20 21:22trmancoI can still remember when a teacher of mine told me that Novell was an awesome to the GNU/Linux communityAug 20 21:23schestowitz“hIt’s just business for Microsoft, and business is better when Linux is limping. So Microsoft is trying to kill off the Linux market leader by giving Novell a compelling differentiator. The day that Novell becomes a threat to Microsoft’s business, however, is the day that the deal is shut down.” ttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10020866-16.htmlAug 20 21:23MinceRafaik suse has always been reputed to be a bad distroAug 20 21:23schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10…Aug 20 21:23trmancoMinceR: not hereAug 20 21:23schestowitzNo, not as far as I know. It’s advanced. Was always KDE-based, admins-oriented.Aug 20 21:23schestowitzThat’s why I like Juna’s blog: http://www.junauza.com/2008/08/…Aug 20 21:25schestowitzWow! This is big: http://www.groklaw.net/artic…Aug 20 21:29schestowitz“SCO was enjoined from making certain claims in Germany, and it signed an agreement in 2003 not to say them there, because its alternate choice was to have to prove them immediately, so it chose silence. As a result, SCO can’t say in Germany that Linux violates SCO’s IP or that end users could be liable for violations of SCO’s intellectual property or that Linux is an unauthorized derivative of UNIX. Unless it can prove it.”Aug 20 21:29schestowitzI knew about these German laws. If true and generally applicable, Microsoft can be sued for slander (against Linux) in Germany.Aug 20 21:30trmancoI hope soAug 20 21:30schestowitzI have a PDF somewhere which talks about this German law (should be expanded elsewhere).Aug 20 21:30neighborleewelll, yes suse is a lovely installer,,but too bad their political ties or backwards indeedAug 20 21:31schestowitzIf SCO was working at the behest of Microsoft, that’s another potential fine and public embarrassment that exceeds SCO’s balance sheet (pink slip).Aug 20 21:31schestowitzI had SUSE on all my machines before the deal was signed.Aug 20 21:31schestowitzThe most impactful writeup (for me at least) was the post from Bruce Perens. Later came his petition.Aug 20 21:31schestowitzWeird and inaccurate pick for Susan’s standards… strange: vAug 20 21:37schestowitzhttp://blackravenplace.net76.net/blog6…Aug 20 21:37schestowitzThis guy mentions BoycottNovell, but it’s not the first time that he criticises the site. Whatever. Let him defend Mono. http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2008/08/fanb…Aug 20 21:38twitteryes, shame on Intel.Aug 20 22:17schestowitz runs AMD. Twice. Dual. AMD is no saint, but the lesser of the two evils.Aug 20 22:18Ziggyfish (n=brendan@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovellAug 20 22:18neighborleewell at least they now own ati, which is trying to work with oss…im curious if it will cause nvida to consider similar optionsAug 20 22:33trmancoa have an intel cpu and an ati graphics card Aug 20 22:34schestowitzAMD has just added overclocking support.Aug 20 22:34trmancowhen I bought mu computer I never heard of FOSSAug 20 22:35trmancoAug 20 22:35trmancomyAug 20 22:35MinceRi have an intel cpu and an nvidia gpuAug 20 22:36twitterHere’s more money down the corruption hole: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=…Aug 20 22:38schestowitz\At least boycottnovell is mentioned, so they don’t get away without criticism.Aug 20 22:40twitterwhere?Aug 20 22:45schestowitzI saw one hypelinks and som e text. I didn’t unfold any comments though. We always appear somewhere in /. when there’s a story about Novell. Sometimes Shane jumps in too.Aug 20 22:46twittercomments look like a crap flood to me. One AC, way down, linked to BN. You had to go through some really nasty stuff to get there.Aug 20 22:48schestowitzWhat nasty stuff? I didn’t read. I just did a “find as you type”.Aug 20 22:49twitterThe second post, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl…Aug 20 22:49schestowitzSlashdot should ban and delete again. Didn’t they ‘clean up’?Aug 20 22:51twitter here’s a nice top post: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl…Aug 20 22:57twitterha ha.Aug 20 22:57schestowitzIs that you?!?Aug 20 22:58twitterSureAug 20 22:59twitterI can’t believe the crap flood left open that slot.Aug 20 22:59twitterGot some specific links to coupon stories? A follow up will be nice and cost them more mod points when they bury it.Aug 20 23:00schestowitzCoupon stories? Sure.Aug 20 23:02schestowitzHow’s this one? http://boycottnovell.com/2007/03/…Aug 20 23:03*dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovellAug 20 23:13schestowitzHey, DOUGManAug 20 23:14twitterthanks.Aug 20 23:30
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