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Posted in IRC Logs at 3:13 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz
moparxheyJun 09 21:50dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovellJun 09 23:06dsmith_ok roy, I asked my question regardinf lenovo and freedos being withdrawn, he is going to find out for meJun 09 23:33ZiggyFish (n=brendan@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 00:21dsmith_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))Jun 10 00:56dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 02:41ZiggyFishheyJun 10 03:14dsmith_hiJun 10 03:20ZiggyFishthe article in todays links …Jun 10 03:29ZiggyFish‘Military Supercomputer Sets Record’ doesn’t mention anything about what OS it’s runningJun 10 03:30ZiggyFishDo you know any more details about itJun 10 03:30schestowitzThanks, dsmith. ZiggyFish, those Cell clusters typically run Red Hat/.Fedora. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s Linux.Jun 10 03:54ZiggyFishoh I seeJun 10 03:55schestowitzVirtualisation taken into account, over 9!% of the world’s biggest computers run Linux.Jun 10 03:56ZiggyFishyou meant 91% I assumeJun 10 03:57dsmith_yea has to be linuxJun 10 03:57dsmith_what country?Jun 10 03:57ZiggyFishdsmith_: us govJun 10 03:57schestowitzHaha. Oops. My fonts are bad, so I didn’t e3ven notice.Jun 10 03:58dsmith_set what record?Jun 10 03:59ZiggyFishfastest computerJun 10 03:59ZiggyFish1 quadrillion flops (floating point operations per secondJun 10 03:59dsmith_okJun 10 03:59dsmith_man, my 386 could do that back when… sheeeshJun 10 04:00dsmith_lolJun 10 04:00ZiggyFishlolJun 10 04:00schestowitzWould that run he big animation films in real time, I wonder… if GPU embedded…Jun 10 04:00schestowitzGPUs I mean. NASA uses a lot of NVIDIA in the clustersJun 10 04:01ZiggyFishschestowitz: AFAIK it is made up of components from comerical GPUsJun 10 04:01ZiggyFishdsmith_: it’s like having a Peta-Hert computerJun 10 04:02dsmith_they must have built it to create Wall-E and Kung-Fu Panda, then turned around and sold it ot the GOV, when they got faster machineJun 10 04:03schestowitzOh. They too by the way use Fedora.Jun 10 04:03ZiggyFishAlso the computer uses the same arch (x86) as the one your typing on now.Jun 10 04:05schestowitzSadly, SUSE is getting some presence and room in clusters too. NASA just bought one and there’s one running SuSE 8 (or was).Jun 10 04:07dsmith_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))Jun 10 04:14dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 04:14ZiggyFishthere was a security vulnerability found in IE today.Jun 10 04:15ZiggyFishMicrosoft Internet Explorer fails to properly follow RFC-2616 and uses content-sniffing to interpret UTF-7 data received in HTTP responses.Jun 10 04:15ZiggyFishhttp://www.securityfocus.com/bid/29112Jun 10 04:15schestowitzrolls eyes IE is mess. I wonder how much its deficiencies have cost the world and how much of this could be avoided.Jun 10 04:16ZiggyFishAlthough it says that it’s a Apache Vulnerability. in the actual description it says, “Additional reports indicate that the default error page has the Content-Type set, rendering it not vulnerable.” So the title is misleadingJun 10 04:17schestowitzThere’s always blame-throwing. Hopefully Apache is diplomatic enough to clear this up. Symantec had a similar tiff with Microsoft recently.Jun 10 04:19ZiggyFishread about thatJun 10 04:19ZiggyFishlets see how long it takes for Microsoft to fix the exploitJun 10 04:20schestowitzmMozilal as well, though it goes back months ago.Jun 10 04:20schestowitzMozilla (typo)Jun 10 04:20ZiggyFishMozilla Firefox may potentially automatically detect UTF-7 in some situations or configurations as well, but this has not been confirmed.Jun 10 04:21schestowitzMicrosoft fixes flaws when they get exploited up to a level when it’s worth revealing the weakness. No joking. As for Mozilla, they needed to mimic some IE functionality or facilitate Windows-tied API. It’s a case where underlying platform mistakes and need for faux ‘compatibility’ hits counterparts also.Jun 10 04:22ZiggyFishI just tried it on my version of Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1 with Suhosin-Patch Server at localhost Port 80 (with mozilla) and it nothing was wrongJun 10 04:23schestowitzReplication flaws, eh? Sounds like some work. Jun 10 04:24ZiggyFishI’ll just check the it in IE (got to load a a VM)Jun 10 04:24schestowitzNews: “There’s no guarantee that Skype’s AES encryption is implemented properly or that there aren’t lingering security flaws.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-1357… (that’s why I won’t use the Skype blob)Jun 10 04:24ZiggyFishbrbJun 10 04:27ZiggyFish has quit (Remote closed the connection)Jun 10 04:27ZiggyFish (n=brendan@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 04:31ZiggyFishbackJun 10 04:31schestowitzTesting FF?Jun 10 04:31ZiggyFishyeah, testing IEJun 10 04:32schestowitzOn Linux?Jun 10 04:32ZiggyFish(needed a to reboot in to an old kernel to access my VM (I haven’t yet compiled the modules for this new kernel)Jun 10 04:33schestowitzThat’s what I suspected (virtualisation). I’m sure headlines will reveal blame games, assuming there’s ambiguity/subjectivity.Jun 10 04:34schestowitzWhat worries me is Microsoft’s approach towards Apache. They want them to deploy on Windows.Jun 10 04:34dsmith_I deployed FF long agoJun 10 04:35dsmith_25% of the users ended up sticking with FF when they rolled out IEJun 10 04:35dsmith_yayJun 10 04:35schestowitzI remember…Jun 10 04:35ZiggyFishschestowitz: the thing is it’s still slow on windows (even after their modifications)Jun 10 04:35dsmith_apache should just tell MS to go piss offJun 10 04:35schestowitzDid you not have the problem at your office where IE was called the industry standard?Jun 10 04:35dsmith_hahaJun 10 04:36schestowitzWell, here’s the thing. About Apache et al.Jun 10 04:36dsmith_what standardJun 10 04:36dsmith_yeaJun 10 04:36schestowitzMicrosoft uses labels like “Microsoft hater” and “zealot” to dare them to say no to invitations.Jun 10 04:36dsmith_I hear that crap all the time, industry standardJun 10 04:36dsmith_I would say noJun 10 04:36schestowitzSpeaking of which, Asay is still sucking up to Microsoft employees (I see it in the comments of their blogs)Jun 10 04:36dsmith_f emJun 10 04:36schestowitzIE is about /ignoring/ industry standards.Jun 10 04:37ZiggyFishthe expoit works in IEJun 10 04:37ZiggyFishbut not in FFJun 10 04:37dsmith_what does apache need from MS?Jun 10 04:37schestowitzCool.Jun 10 04:37schestowitzWell, here’s the thing.Jun 10 04:37dsmith_I have done both just to see how hard/easy it wasJun 10 04:37dsmith_same with tomcatJun 10 04:37schestowitzAs I understand it, Microsoft invited various teams (Apache is just one) to live on its blood supply for a while and ‘optimise’ for win32Jun 10 04:38ZiggyFishschestowitz: also it’s PHP that’s trying to work with IISJun 10 04:38schestowitzHa!Jun 10 04:38dsmith_bloood supply?Jun 10 04:38schestowitzYes, Zend is a bugger.Jun 10 04:38dsmith_ppl need to get it thru thier brains that MS is no goodJun 10 04:39schestowitzThat Guttman guy (II the name correctly) is not only working with them, but he also sort of invited other to fall in love with Microsoft.Jun 10 04:39ZiggyFishschestowitz: I know that VM work better on Linux then on windowsJun 10 04:39schestowitzThat too it a major problem. Often you see Microsoft exploiting these relationships to expand them further.Jun 10 04:39dsmith_ppl will sell out for anythingJun 10 04:39schestowitzHypervisors too is something Microsoft applies these tactics to.Jun 10 04:40ZiggyFishschestowitz: there was an expoit a comple of days ago (something to do with safery and IE)Jun 10 04:40ZiggyFish*coupleJun 10 04:40ZiggyFishlet me find a linkJun 10 04:40schestowitzXen being an example,. Based in Redmond after a Microsoft deal, then acquired.Jun 10 04:40schestowitzdsmith: Microsoft is exploiting some people’s weakness for money.Jun 10 04:40schestowitzJust watch the Novell deal. It had financial issued and it then met Microsoft.Jun 10 04:41schestowitzIt’s Novell that actually ran to Microsoft and ended up abused (like a partner begging for the g/f or b/f to come back after a breakup).Jun 10 04:42dsmith_hahaaJun 10 04:43dsmith_the novell openoffice xml converter works nicelyJun 10 04:44dsmith_I ws messing with it the other dayJun 10 04:44dsmith_going back and forthJun 10 04:44dsmith_docx -odf – docxJun 10 04:44schestowitzThere’s hope though. If Microsoft goes into debt (if it buys Yahoo for example), then it’ll be a push.Jun 10 04:44dsmith_I just think MS wastes too much $ and human resources on frivilous issues, it isn’t just them anymoreJun 10 04:45schestowitzIt won’t work in complex situation and OOo (or ODF-based software) will be blamed for being ‘bad’.Jun 10 04:45schestowitzMoreover, it’s written in C#, so guess what it says about dependencies (although I haven’t checked)Jun 10 04:46ZiggyFishApple Safari and Microsoft Windows Client-side Code Execution VulnerabilityJun 10 04:46ZiggyFishhttp://www.securityfocus.com/bid/29445Jun 10 04:46dsmith_these were simple filesJun 10 04:46schestowitzWell, the driver of the company at the moment is Ballmer’s envy and ego.Jun 10 04:46ZiggyFishThird-party sources have indicated that the vulnerability in Safari is the “carpet-bombing” issue reported by Nitesh Dhanjani. If the issue is exploited, attacked-specified content is downloaded to the user’s desktop without prompting. However, the Safari issue alone does not let an attacker execute the content. Presumably, an additional issue in Microsoft Windows can be exploited in tandem with this issue to run the contentJun 10 04:47ZiggyFish that is downloaded to the user’s desktop.Jun 10 04:47schestowitzSafari seems like quite a mess because it’s new on this platform and it’s only visible to a group in cubicles.Jun 10 04:47dsmith_apple should just stick with what I knowJun 10 04:47schestowitzSafari is immature, with the exception of Webkit (KHTML)Jun 10 04:48dsmith_who would want to use safari on windows anywayJun 10 04:48ZiggyFishschestowitz: do you know what engine it usesJun 10 04:48schestowitzThose who are forced?Jun 10 04:48ZiggyFishdsmith: i thought the same thingJun 10 04:48schestowitzApple is pulling an ugly one.Jun 10 04:48dsmith_, never mind the bank. How about your life? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… Dread the thought of your doctor tapping stuff away, putting it on a platform that’s claimed to be a zombie 40% of the time (USA Today)Jun 10 07:37ZiggyFish:(, Icahn steps up attack on Yahoo board .Jun 10 07:45ZiggyFishtrueJun 10 07:45schestowitzIt does happen. That’s why Microsoft handing out USB back doors to policemen is stupid, stupid, stupid.Jun 10 07:45schestowitzHow long before the blackhat community gets hold of one of these and studies it?Jun 10 07:45PetoKrausmind odt?Jun 10 07:46PetoKrausor rather pdfJun 10 07:46schestowitzODT is good.Jun 10 07:46ZiggyFishschestowitz: that doesn’t bother Linux (give people more reason to choose linux)Jun 10 07:46schestowitzPDF also good.Jun 10 07:46PetoKrausi preffer pdf for publishing…Jun 10 07:47PetoKrausit ensures that it’ll display correctlyJun 10 07:47PetoKrausand print correctlyJun 10 07:47ZiggyFishwhen I send my resume to employees, I usually send it as PDFJun 10 07:47PetoKrausme as wellJun 10 07:47PetoKrausit’s dead easy to click export…Jun 10 07:48ZiggyFishthey can’t read ODT so, the next best thing is PDFJun 10 07:48PetoKraushttp://pk.gjhak.sk/.storage/pete…Jun 10 07:48schestowitzI open PDFs quickly, but I don’t know… I don’t feel like I /control/ the text.Jun 10 07:48schestowitzAdobe has the power. I can only /view/…Jun 10 07:48schestowitzFunny feeling.Jun 10 07:48schestowitzLike DRM.Jun 10 07:48ZiggyFishschestowitz: PDF is a ISO standard ( I know it doesn’t mean much), also they publish their documents on their websiteJun 10 07:49PetoKrauswell, I like pdf because you can forbid printing and copying of textJun 10 07:50PetoKrauswhich is somewhat required to comply with school plagiarism policiesJun 10 07:50ZiggyFishtrueJun 10 07:50PetoKrausthis way i can redistribute my old lab reports for my younger schoolmatesJun 10 07:50schestowitzhaha.Jun 10 07:51PetoKrausi tend to make fun from stupid assignments.Jun 10 07:51ZiggyFishlolJun 10 07:51schestowitzThat’s just like the DRM scam. Any person would just grab some software like a screengrabber and do OCR.Jun 10 07:51PetoKraussureJun 10 07:51schestowitzYou only punish the honest people, not plagiarists Jun 10 07:52PetoKrausbut my hands are clean then Jun 10 07:52ZiggyFishbut it makes it difficult for them to do thatJun 10 07:52PetoKraushonest people don’t need to copy my resultsJun 10 07:52PetoKraushonest people use it as a reference (as to, what’s wrong :D)Jun 10 07:52schestowitzThis is insanely stupid. Why don’t they just guage their eyes instead? It’s more effective. rolls eyesJun 10 07:53schestowitzgouge I meant.Jun 10 07:53PetoKraus?Jun 10 07:53schestowitzLike cutting people’s ears to ensure they cannot /capture/ audio. Maybe a cognitive intervantion also.Jun 10 07:53PetoKrauswellJun 10 07:53schestowitzintervention.Jun 10 07:53PetoKrausthe point is, I could get punished for helping themJun 10 07:54PetoKrausthey could get punished for quoting meJun 10 07:54PetoKrausi want to help themJun 10 07:54schestowitzEben Moglen: “Everybody is connected to everybody else, all data that can be shared will be shared will be shared: get used to it.”Jun 10 07:54PetoKrauswhen someone has a problem, i always discuss it with him/herJun 10 07:54PetoKrausbut since lab reports are something you get your marks on, and it should be your own workJun 10 07:55schestowitzYes. Replication of things is still unproductive in many cases and restricting sharing an impossibility and a nuisance to everyone involved.Jun 10 07:55PetoKrausi don’t think you should be able to get marks for my work And i don’t want you to get MY marks as well xDJun 10 07:55PetoKrausbut we are not talking about industry area now, we are talking about school, academics…Jun 10 07:56schestowitzTrue, which is another reason to consider doing unique projects rather than have entire classes doing massive multi-player duplication extravaganzaJun 10 07:56PetoKrauswell, you HAVE to learn to do it somehowJun 10 07:57PetoKraushow to do itJun 10 07:57ZiggyFishto hard to markJun 10 07:57schestowitzYes, but people can be taught by doing unique things. At unversities, people undertake projects.Jun 10 07:57PetoKrausin third year.Jun 10 07:57schestowitzYes, but learning is done with input. Output can be unique.Jun 10 07:58PetoKraussureJun 10 07:58PetoKrausthat’s exactly why i don’t encourage copying of my lab worksJun 10 07:58schestowitzAha!Jun 10 07:58PetoKrausif i was completely sure they are perfect, i would not put them up in the first place (:P), and to anyone who whould ask, i’d hand a copyJun 10 07:58PetoKrausbut this way, my mates know, that they are average mostly… they are guidelines.Jun 10 07:59schestowitzIt’s like sharing and not sharing. Taking away of abilities… crippling in other words.Jun 10 07:59schestowitzFor the sake of education, supposedly.Jun 10 07:59PetoKrausmoreover, no one ever asked for printed/not-restricted versionJun 10 08:00PetoKrausyes, it is crippling, and not sharingJun 10 08:01ZiggyFishwhen I was in doing my diploma, the teacher would put errors in the code, so that we would be able to copyJun 10 08:01schestowitzI can imagine what RMS would say about this because he encourages the oppositeJun 10 08:01PetoKrausbut there are, in my opinion, perfectly valid reasons to do thatJun 10 08:01PetoKrausyes, i can imagine as wellJun 10 08:01PetoKraushe would ask me to not care about school’s plagiarism policyJun 10 08:02schestowitzHa. Yeah…Jun 10 08:03schestowitzThere are some more moronic things to ignore though, such as software patents.Jun 10 08:03PetoKrauswe’ve got a fictional classmateJun 10 08:04PetoKraushe submitted an essayJun 10 08:04PetoKrauscopied off the first result from googleJun 10 08:04PetoKraushe got kicked off the school even before it was obvious he’s imaginary xDJun 10 08:04schestowitzCan you ever prevent such a thing? That’s the key question to address. If not, a Plan B is needed.Jun 10 08:05ZiggyFishtackle that problem when it comesJun 10 08:05PetoKrausI should get moving.Jun 10 08:06ZiggyFishsure, see yaJun 10 08:06schestowitzSee youJun 10 08:06PetoKrauslast note, what i don’t get isJun 10 08:07PetoKraushow they forbid you to take pictures at gigsJun 10 08:07PetoKrausi mean, why? why does it matter?Jun 10 08:08schestowitzOh, didn’t you watch the news?Jun 10 08:08PetoKrauswell, not reallyJun 10 08:08PetoKrausi am not in britain for 2 monthsJun 10 08:08schestowitzMicrosoft patented a technology for disabling cameras where photography is not allows.Jun 10 08:09PetoKrauswe’ve got our own MP-signed-another-MP-on-presence-chart problemJun 10 08:09ZiggyFishbrbJun 10 08:09PetoKraushahaJun 10 08:09ZiggyFish has quit (“Ex-Chat”)Jun 10 08:09schestowitzallowed. Imagine a scenario where a nurse wheels out a patient to the street for enablement.Jun 10 08:09PetoKrauswell, i guess that’s the thing they’ve been putting into my camera for so long…Jun 10 08:11PetoKrausso it’ll be like… wireless emmiters which will contact some embedded chipset on your camera, which will sayJun 10 08:11schestowitzSame with radio tuners.Jun 10 08:11PetoKraus“FU, no pictures here”, and since it’s made by MSJun 10 08:11PetoKrausit’ll be hacked in a year?Jun 10 08:12schestowitzIt can be ‘licensed’ by MS or comply with ACTA-type things. It’s Orwellian stuff becoming a relityJun 10 08:12PetoKrausrightJun 10 08:12PetoKrauswhat about analog cameras?Jun 10 08:12schestowitzThey phase them out or pardon these. Maybe we’ll see a lot more people with analogues…Jun 10 08:13PetoKrausnext step will be to forbid them.Jun 10 08:13PetoKrausi mean, sales.Jun 10 08:13PetoKrausduh. this is scary.Jun 10 08:13schestowitzSame with physical tuners and old radios, just like cassette tapes.Jun 10 08:13PetoKrauseurope, hold on :/Jun 10 08:13schestowitzIt’s dicussed in the EU. Such stuff… secret meeting in Switzerland recently.Jun 10 08:14PetoKrauson one hand EU brought very good things to the countriesJun 10 08:14PetoKrauson the other hand, it makes lobbying excercises much easierJun 10 08:14schestowitzPublic opinion matters not. Just like the Novell deal and the reduction. They decided ‘for us’ that software patents need honouring and Microsoft ‘owns’ Linux.Jun 10 08:14ZiggyFish (n=brendan@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 08:16PetoKrausi still don’t get who does it benefitJun 10 08:16ZiggyFishbackJun 10 08:16PetoKrausto forbid people from taking pictures on gigsJun 10 08:16ZiggyFishno one I would guessJun 10 08:17schestowitzWhich spe… oh, well, it’s a matter of defending imaginary propertyJun 10 08:17PetoKrausprofessional photographers? no, they always get the best spots. The band? No, they give you autograms after the show and are willing to take a picture with youJun 10 08:17schestowitzIn the US you are forbidden from taking pictures of some cars in the streets even.Jun 10 08:17ZiggyFishlolJun 10 08:17PetoKrausi think in UK you can take picture of everything you can see, unless stated otherwiseJun 10 08:17ZiggyFishschestowitz: is that car porn Jun 10 08:17PetoKrausxDJun 10 08:18PetoKrausillegal car porn!Jun 10 08:18ZiggyFishlolJun 10 08:18schestowitzThe car must be over 18 years old.Jun 10 08:18PetoKrausi just don’t get how can a law passed in the USJun 10 08:19PetoKrausaffect whole world. (DMCA)Jun 10 08:19ZiggyFishIn Aus, you can take a picture of everything, except a childJun 10 08:19ZiggyFishPetoKraus: it’s the US, it doesn’t have to make senseJun 10 08:19PetoKrauspardon me, but when exactly did we hand the power to the stupid?Jun 10 08:20schestowitzIt’s imperialism.Jun 10 08:20PetoKrauswas it WW2?Jun 10 08:20ZiggyFishno commentJun 10 08:20PetoKrausJun 10 08:20schestowitzSome people who read this would be offended. But each country has its share of fools and here too we have some people who merely serve the Bilderbergers and others.Jun 10 08:21tacone (n=tacone@213-156-52-112.fastres.net) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 08:22PetoKrauswell one who gets offended on absolutely obvious ironization…. well, good luck to him, he’ll have it tough.Jun 10 08:22PetoKrausevery country has stupid politiciansJun 10 08:23PetoKrausthey are elected by the stupid people in the country.Jun 10 08:23ZiggyFishtrueJun 10 08:23schestowitzNot so sure.Jun 10 08:23PetoKrausthe problem starts, when the stupid politician achieves better results than the other oneJun 10 08:23PetoKrauswhich happens in slovakia right now.Jun 10 08:23schestowitzThe elections are partly controlled by other focused that drive the country and no matter who gets elected, the influence comes from the wealthy.Jun 10 08:24ZiggyFishit happens in Australia tooJun 10 08:24schestowitzwelcome, taconeJun 10 08:24taconehi roy Jun 10 08:24taconeI am not sure I presented myself in the previous daysJun 10 08:25PetoKrauswell, not in last 6Jun 10 08:26schestowitzI’m not sure you have, please do. Jun 10 08:26schestowitz, it’s the same situation in all scales. Even in Novell and Microsoft you have some greedy ** making decisions that those at the bottom disagree with but must accept/obey.Jun 10 08:26PetoKrausah finally i get it! jesus christ i am stupid :/Jun 10 08:27taconeI’m just a boycottnovell.com regular reader. I live in italy, and I am mainly concerned with Mono being adopted in gnomeJun 10 08:27schestowitzI know about actual Novell employees who displike the company but just stay there for the checks.Jun 10 08:27PetoKrausfriend’s camera takes pictures in different aspect ratio :/Jun 10 08:27PetoKrausschestowitz: i read it “chicks”Jun 10 08:27ZiggyFishlolJun 10 08:28schestowitzWell, there’s that former Novell employee who left a comment in BN.com about mormons, not just chicks. He doesn’t like the company. He thinks it’s like a cult.Jun 10 08:29schestowitzBut that’s just the Utah area, which is not where the management is (MA).Jun 10 08:30ZiggyFishBoycott spotlights antivirus testing issues Jun 10 08:41ZiggyFishThe disagreement between antivirus software makers and the firms that test their products took a dramatic turn last week when one company, Trend Micro, told reporters it would boycott a popular certification in the future.Jun 10 08:41schestowitzLOL It’s Trend Micro which is boycotted for software patent harassment against FOSS. It’s like seeing Microsoft protesting against Google monopoly.Jun 10 08:43ZiggyFishlolJun 10 08:43tacone (n=tacone@213-156-52-112.fastres.net) has left #boycottnovell (“Going. Much love.”)Jun 10 08:44ZiggyFishlolJun 10 11:37ZiggyFishMicrosoft files 21 piracy suitsJun 10 11:38ZiggyFishit urges consumers to call 1-800-RU-LEGITJun 10 11:38PetoKrausrussian legit?Jun 10 11:38ZiggyFishlolJun 10 11:38ZiggyFishR = are U = you ( I think)Jun 10 11:39PetoKrausthat’s stupid.Jun 10 11:39PetoKrausi don’t have “legit” on my cell phone eitherJun 10 11:39ZiggyFishme neither nor do i have it on my house phoneJun 10 11:40PetoKrausi don’t have a house phone. stays true.Jun 10 11:40PetoKrausjesus holy fkn christ! i am compiling the kernel on ubuntu for…. half an hour already?!?Jun 10 11:44ZiggyFishdid you use the -j option?Jun 10 11:44PetoKrausit’s ubuntuJun 10 11:45PetoKrausthey have the make-kpkg thingJun 10 11:45PetoKrausand i don’t have a clue what’s the computer like.Jun 10 11:45PetoKraustrying to fix alsa issues…Jun 10 11:45ZiggyFishohJun 10 11:45ZiggyFishwhat cardJun 10 11:45PetoKrausICH8 Intel HDAJun 10 11:45PetoKrausthat’s always problem.Jun 10 11:45ZiggyFishPetoKraus: some one has reported the problem to ubutnu so it may be fixed in a week or twoJun 10 11:47PetoKrauswellJun 10 11:47PetoKraus“week or two”Jun 10 11:47PetoKrausis exactly too muchJun 10 11:47PetoKrausyou don’t generally want to run into problems on first install of GNU/linux after hyping itJun 10 11:48ZiggyFishtrueJun 10 11:48PetoKraus!!! man… this is bollocks…Jun 10 11:49PetoKrausthat make-kpkg just crashedJun 10 11:49ZiggyFishgive me a secJun 10 11:49ZiggyFishand I’ll find some stuffJun 10 11:49ZiggyFishbefore I begin. tell me the output of lspci -nn | grep AudioJun 10 11:51PetoKraus00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 02)Jun 10 11:53ZiggyFishthis page may help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller (I know it’s for gusty but it should still work)Jun 10 11:55PetoKrausduhJun 10 11:58PetoKrausthis is madnessJun 10 11:58ZiggyFishjust follow that pageJun 10 11:59PetoKrausthe first one doesn’t workJun 10 11:59ZiggyFishtry the next oneJun 10 12:01PetoKrausi’d sayJun 10 12:01PetoKrausthe problem isJun 10 12:01PetoKrausthat the default kernelJun 10 12:01PetoKrausdoesn’t have alsa built inJun 10 12:01PetoKrauso.OJun 10 12:01ZiggyFishdon’t knowJun 10 12:02PetoKrausok, i’ll do it my way.Jun 10 12:03ZiggyFishsomething I would like to do when I get some spare time is make a script that downloads, installs and tests Driver stuffJun 10 12:03ZiggyFishit would make installing drivers very easyJun 10 12:03ZiggyFishsee ya allJun 10 12:08ZiggyFish has quit (“Ex-Chat”)Jun 10 12:09PetoKrausi wonder what’ll be the outcome of OOXML dramaJun 10 12:28zoobabISO will just let the standard throughJun 10 13:30zoobabthey are unable to clear their conflicts of interests, see the Norway caseJun 10 13:30schestowitzJust back from from the gym… I’ll hopefully find some articles about those 21 lawsuits wrote about. It sounds interesting. Microsoft cracks down on small battling ships (‘pirates’) for extra bash. I reckon that in the next quarter they’ll report another profit collapse and blame ‘pirates’ like they did the last time.Jun 10 13:52moparx awakensJun 10 13:55schestowitzLook what I just found : http://bluke.blogspot.com/2008/06/b… ( boycott boycottnovell.com ). What da fork?Jun 10 13:56PetoKrauswhat the flash!Jun 10 13:58PetoKrausso basicallyJun 10 13:58zoobabECIS confirmed this morning that MS appeals to the ECJ on patentsJun 10 13:58zoobabthis is big newsJun 10 13:58PetoKrausjust because you insulted his emplyerJun 10 13:59moparxya.. hahaJun 10 13:59schestowitzI posted this here before I read it. Just have…Jun 10 13:59moparxI figured it would be from someone somehow relatedJun 10 13:59zoobabbecause all the press says they appeal on the “fine”, but in fact they just want certainty to tax Samba and RedhatJun 10 13:59PetoKrausthat post is… heheJun 10 13:59schestowitzBstards. They /really/ do need to tax their rivals. SCO 2.0, just as PJ said.Jun 10 14:00zoobaball those journalists are incompetentJun 10 14:01schestowitzAbout the post, as I understand it (I read it very quickly), this is the guy responsible for building the sf.net bridge to Microsoft projects.Jun 10 14:01schestowitz, they read press release, parse and then substitute. Especially the ‘Big Press’ that calls OOXML open source (Reuters)Jun 10 14:02schestowitzGot URL, ben?Jun 10 14:02zoobabno just private talks with ECISJun 10 14:19benJIman has quit (“brb”)Jun 10 14:22schestowitzI wrongly misinterpreted “journalists are incompetent” and assumed there was poor reporting about this. Have you written about this in DigMaj?Jun 10 14:25zoobabhttp://www.digitalmajority.org/forum…Jun 10 15:14zoobabnot yetJun 10 15:14zoobab“The objective of this call for tenders is to establish a framework contract for a single source purchase channel, covering the acquisition of Microsoft software products and licences. The future contractor has to provide a unique interface between Microsoft and the European Institutions.”Jun 10 15:15moparx has quit (Remote closed the connection)Jun 10 15:18moparx (n=moparx@pdpc/supporter/base/moparx) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 15:18schestowitzThey think about switching to GNU/Linux. They already test it. http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7565 (EU: Europarlement testing Ubuntu, OpenOffice and Firefox)Jun 10 15:19schestowitzhttp://secunia.com/advisories/30576/ ( Novell GroupWise Messenger Client Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilities )Jun 10 15:22benJIman (n=benji@benjiweber.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 15:27EruaranhiJun 10 15:39schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/technology/11… ( E.U. Snubs Microsoft on Office Systems )Jun 10 15:49EruaranI like Ms. KroesJun 10 15:58schestowitzBallmer took he out to dinner. shudder After doing the same extortion routine over the telephone as he did in Korea around 2006.Jun 10 16:02martinjh99 (n=Martin@82-43-224-10.cable.ubr01.pres.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 16:05schestowitzhttp://www.iso.org/iso/pressre… (“If they decide in favour of proceeding, the chairmen of the two boards are required to establish a conciliation panel which will attempt to resolve the appeals. The process could take several months.”)Jun 10 16:07PetoKraus has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))Jun 10 16:07baijum (n=baiju@121.245.20.2) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 16:16sam_ (n=sam@gnubies.com) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 16:19baijum has quit (Client Quit)Jun 10 16:20sam_ has quit (Client Quit)Jun 10 16:21EruaranI’m glad countries have appealedJun 10 16:35martinjh99I wouldn’t touch Office with a 20 foot pole – OpenOffice.org/ODF works for me! Jun 10 16:36EruaranJun 10 16:37martinjh99What’s the going rate for Office 2007 that I’m saving then??Jun 10 16:38schestowitzShort- or long-term?Jun 10 16:39EruaranI’m waiting for KOffice 2Jun 10 16:39martinjh99long term probably… Just interested really…Jun 10 16:39EruaranI’ve been hearing good things about KOffice 2Jun 10 16:40martinjh99As long as it can read ODF I’ll give it a go on Linux…Jun 10 16:41schestowitzDepending on your use (e.g. personal versus business versus enterprise) it can anything from hundreds of dollars to thousands. In the long LONG team office suites as a the paradigm that it is could become passe.Jun 10 16:41martinjh99Hehe – Well I haven’t got that much money… Like I said anything free that supports ODF will work for me!Jun 10 16:42EruaranMicrosoft’s licences are deliberatly geared toward getting people to buy the more expensive optionJun 10 16:42schestowitzBTW, just spotted Mark Shuttleworth detailed reply to my quick post (which some people took out of context): https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubun…Jun 10 16:42martinjh99 Like you get all the apps in the most expensive version and not much in the cheapest…Jun 10 16:42schestowitzMost people don’t require this, but Microsoft goes out of its way with marketing. The processing of data is becoming more network-oriented. The ‘fat client’ matters less.Jun 10 16:43tacone (n=tacone@213-156-52-112.fastres.net) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 16:45schestowitzwelcome, tacone.Jun 10 16:46taconenice to see you again.Jun 10 16:46schestowitzI’m always connected, even if I’m away.Jun 10 16:46taconeme too, but I don’t autojoin this channel.Jun 10 16:48taconeschestowitz: do you believe Shuttleworth about MS Codecs ?Jun 10 16:48schestowitzSlated got me thinking about only the possibility that Microsoft put pressure on him, but I doubt it.Jun 10 16:50taconeHe’s moving cleverly for now, imho. I hope he just continues this way.Jun 10 16:52schestowitzNew meme just discovered: “open-source standards” http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/06… What is an open-source standards? Is it one that you can modify and redistribute? Is that still a standard?Jun 10 16:52taconeI guess it’s just journalist bad interpretation or (sic) EU ignorance.Jun 10 16:54schestowitzReuters does this too. Twice recently (that I can recall).Jun 10 16:56schestowitzMicrosoft: we’re open source, we’re open source (FOOTNOTE: you need to but proprietary Sharepoint and by “open source” we mean something else): http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enter… Also: http://www.24-7pressrelease… “Open source timelive time tracking software released by Livetecs.com” – “TimeLive is developed using ASP.Net 2 and Microsoft AjJun 10 17:03schestowitzax 1.0. For database, timelive is using Microsoft SQL Server 2005 database.”Jun 10 17:03taconethey’re opensource ? really? all solved then Jun 10 17:05EruaranClearly Microsoft doesn’t “get it”Jun 10 17:07taconeEruaran: I guess they get everything. and more.Jun 10 17:07schestowitzIt doesn’t want or need to. It serves its interests because “open source” then loses appeal, added value. That’s why saying GPL or Free software becomes ever more important.Jun 10 17:08taconeschestowitz: I guess Free software is media-manipulable as well. GPL is better.Jun 10 17:08EruaranMicrosoft actually believes they can convince free software devs to use, and even depend on their proprietary development tools… They are simply using “open source” as a marketing tool, and they don’t understand who they are marketing to.Jun 10 17:10EruaranThe only people I can think of who would actually be enthusiastic about this all work for Novell.Jun 10 17:10EruaranCame across some FUD from Fahmida Y. Rashid on ChannelWeb today.Jun 10 17:12Eruaranhttp://www.crn.com/software/208402802Jun 10 17:12EruaranIt takes one of the great strengths of Ubuntu on a Dell system (APT) and makes it sound for all the world like it has all the flaws of a Windows system and more.Jun 10 17:14*** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 10 17:20:48 2008Now talking on #boycottnovellJun 10 17:20Topic for #boycottnovell is: Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications (publicly logged)Jun 10 17:20Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Wed Jun 4 09:34:16 2008Jun 10 17:20martinjh99 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))Jun 10 17:47tacone has quit (“Going. Much love.”)Jun 10 17:51moparx_ (n=moparx@adsl-065-006-185-138.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 18:28moparx has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))Jun 10 18:52moparx_ is now known as moparxJun 10 18:56PetoKraus (n=Peter@host-77-247-224-25.isper.sk) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 18:58-christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, We are now able to receive donations via Paypal again and should you wish to make a one-off donation, create a subscription or re-new a previous subscription you can do so using the links at the left-hand sidebar on http://freenode.net Thank you for using freenode and have a great day!Jun 10 20:28PetoKrausschestowitz: are you here roy?Jun 10 20:32schestowitzYes, I am. I also wonder how to regain op. blush I’m just posing in BN.com at the moment.Jun 10 20:34PetoKrausi am trying to get RSS working on my pageJun 10 20:35PetoKrausbut got a valid feed, but…. still, when I open it, it shows only the XML, not as a feedJun 10 20:35schestowitzThis happened to me recently when I upgraded phpnuke? Any chance it’s related?Jun 10 20:38PetoKrauswell, i am creating a new feedJun 10 20:38PetoKrausi don’t know how to create that flashy rss icon you for example got on the address barJun 10 20:39schestowitzThat is put at the header to inform the browser.Jun 10 20:40PetoKrausyeah…. can you find the code for me?Jun 10 20:40schestowitzUnder , put Jun 10 20:42PetoKrauscheers manJun 10 20:43schestowitznbJun 10 20:43PetoKrausnow i need to code something, so I won’t have to update the feed manuallyJun 10 20:43schestowitzThat’s why I prefer a CMS.Jun 10 20:44PetoKrauswell, it’s a wayJun 10 20:44PetoKrausbut i want to do it myself, so i can learn somethingJun 10 20:45PetoKrausyou know, with python, programming is fun again!Jun 10 20:45schestowitzYes, go for it then.Jun 10 20:45PetoKrausis it ethical to link to other pages from your feed?Jun 10 20:49PetoKrausxDJun 10 20:49PetoKrausyou know, it’s a news aggregation…Jun 10 20:49PetoKrausso basically i put in the feed what I consider important. Though, i guess it depends on the descriptionJun 10 20:50moparx has quit (“leaving”)Jun 10 20:53schestowitzYes, LXer does this.Jun 10 20:54schestowitzThey use a redirection though.Jun 10 20:54PetoKraushmm this is too difficult to think about todayJun 10 20:55PetoKrausso, thank you roy Jun 10 20:56PetoKrausgreat Jun 10 20:59schestowitzI have fallen so far behind my feeds.Jun 10 20:59PetoKrauswell, slashdot 84Jun 10 20:59PetoKrausi blame my girlfriend xDJun 10 20:59PetoKraus(anyway, if you wanna see what a monster did you help to create, http://pk.gjhak.sk)Jun 10 21:01schestowitzThanks. As soon as I post my pile of selected links.Jun 10 21:01PetoKrausgood night.Jun 10 21:04schestowitzTa.Jun 10 21:05PetoKraus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))Jun 10 21:10moparx (n=moparx@pdpc/supporter/base/moparx) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 22:54ZiggyFish (n=brendan@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovellJun 10 23:24ZiggyFishgood morningJun 10 23:24ZiggyFishSome nice stories in the daily Links todayJun 10 23:25ZiggyFish has quit (Remote closed the connection)Jun 10 23:33
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