[2025-01-28T01:53:10Z] Where are all the /etc/ssl/certs/* ? There was a ca-certificates before.

[2025-01-28T01:56:18Z] Im having this issue with rtorrent only finding peers with IPv6 adresses.

[2025-01-28T08:28:49Z] ilt: why not minecraft

[2025-01-28T15:50:42Z] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjNpRbNdR7E

[2025-01-28T15:50:57Z] >when China eviscerates Nvidia's stock price in a single night

[2025-01-28T15:51:33Z] honestly so fucking ready for this

[2025-01-28T15:55:36Z] next step is people dropping the cope that open source isn't socialist

[2025-01-28T17:04:48Z] <sad_plan> kris_: I had packaged xfsprogs once in my old repo; https://github.com/hovercats/kiss-dumpsterfire/tree/ec7556ac9d52141d424b3e21de28ebaf55852e27/extra/xfsprogs might give you a reference if anything :p

[2025-01-28T17:05:09Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: who says foss is socialist?

[2025-01-28T17:40:02Z] you can watch esr lose his mind about a russian ambassador post-ussr collapse saying free software would never work in russia due to being too communist, but socialism is sort of defined by collective ownership of the means of production. anyone and everyone can acquire copies of libre software and use them to produce whatever they'd please, cooperate with others if they have similar visions, etc. by

[2025-01-28T17:40:08Z] its nature it's socialist due to collective management (and in some cases, like Linux, ownership) of the means of production (in this case, compilers, C libraries, etc).

[2025-01-28T17:40:21Z] re: ambassador it was in uhhhhhhhh that linux docu from the late 90s early 2000s

[2025-01-28T17:40:24Z] freedom os or w/e

[2025-01-28T17:40:25Z] lemme find it

[2025-01-28T17:40:51Z] revolution os

[2025-01-28T17:41:04Z] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0RYQVkQmWU&ab_channel=AdamN.

[2025-01-28T17:42:29Z] i'll see if i can find a timestamp

[2025-01-28T17:42:45Z] but tl;dr esr pitches a fit because communism is muh gulags

[2025-01-28T17:42:55Z] and actually free software is capitalism

[2025-01-28T17:43:00Z] which, lol

[2025-01-28T17:43:17Z] <kris_> sad_plan appreciate it

[2025-01-28T17:47:26Z] https://youtu.be/k0RYQVkQmWU?t=3824

[2025-01-28T17:47:31Z] 1:03:44

[2025-01-28T17:47:56Z] i think they talk about the ambassador here

[2025-01-28T17:48:12Z] yeah 1:04:15

[2025-01-28T17:48:20Z] moscow uni director

[2025-01-28T17:48:52Z] 1:04:53 is the exact moment

[2025-01-28T17:49:32Z] <sad_plan> foss=communist. awesome

[2025-01-28T17:49:59Z] <kris_> there's definitely a correlation

[2025-01-28T17:51:24Z] yes

[2025-01-28T17:51:26Z] * midfavila sips

[2025-01-28T17:51:49Z] also i like how esr rees about gommunism forcing people and ignores that the gpl absolutely forces you to comply lel

[2025-01-28T17:52:05Z] unless you're some kind of libertarian and you don't think that contracts are backed by violence

[2025-01-28T17:52:16Z] or some other copium

[2025-01-28T18:02:01Z] <sad_plan> how is contracts backed by violence exacly?

[2025-01-28T18:07:44Z] if you violate a contract, you can be taken to civil or potentially criminal court

[2025-01-28T18:07:50Z] there, you'll be tried by the state

[2025-01-28T18:07:59Z] if found guilty, a penalty will be levied

[2025-01-28T18:08:36Z] this penalty is backed by the penitentiary system, the police force, and the military, at the end of the day

[2025-01-28T18:09:06Z] if you refuse your penalty and attempt to resist, the police will be dispatched to use force to seize your assets, or to force other institutions to collaborate

[2025-01-28T18:09:23Z] if a mass movement in your favour rises up, the military will be used to maintain order

[2025-01-28T18:09:33Z] at all levels, our society reduces to big-stick diplomacy

[2025-01-28T18:09:44Z] * midfavila shrugs

[2025-01-28T18:10:13Z] of course, even if you settle out of court, the threat of violence by the state is still used to compel that action

[2025-01-28T18:11:35Z] that system is obviously better than raw force if you have the resources to exist within it, but especially within the past few years we've seen the system fail more and more people

[2025-01-28T18:12:06Z] they lose everything, fall through the cracks, and stop believing in the social contract and instead revert to using force to take what they want or need directly

[2025-01-28T18:13:42Z] of course, that that's even a possibility is a good thing under our current economic system because that motivates people to take the shit end of the stick, but that's a topic for another day

[2025-01-28T18:13:46Z] or, in a sense, for every day

[2025-01-28T18:14:41Z] (to be clear when i say "good" i mean for the people who benefit from the system i.e. the rich and bosses)

[2025-01-28T18:14:53Z] <sad_plan> oh I see, you went that way.

[2025-01-28T18:15:08Z] "went that way"?

[2025-01-28T18:15:11Z] <sad_plan> similarly, the goverment is the mob, the police is its henhmen

[2025-01-28T18:15:24Z] <sad_plan> hechmen

[2025-01-28T18:15:24Z] well, yes

[2025-01-28T18:15:27Z] henchmen

[2025-01-28T18:15:28Z] :P

[2025-01-28T18:15:32Z] <sad_plan> yes :p

[2025-01-28T18:15:42Z] but even in a society without a centralised government, i.e. ancapistan, that like

[2025-01-28T18:15:48Z] that just means the power of the state is privatised

[2025-01-28T18:15:53Z] which is worse

[2025-01-28T18:16:19Z] because at least under a liberal democracy there's the veneer of power that the mass electorate holds

[2025-01-28T18:16:20Z] <sad_plan> some also says police is the mob instead, because of lots of extorsions being made. but I suppose the goverment is the evil overlord in this case

[2025-01-28T18:16:38Z] <sad_plan> well sure

[2025-01-28T18:16:42Z] well, i'm of the opinion that at least in america and similar nations, the cops and government are in bed with industry

[2025-01-28T18:16:53Z] <sad_plan> correct

[2025-01-28T18:16:57Z] any time capitalism exists it either devolves into a banana republic or it pockets the government

[2025-01-28T18:17:03Z] there's no alternative

[2025-01-28T18:17:06Z] <sad_plan> its an oligarch or however the hell its written

[2025-01-28T18:17:12Z] oligarchy, yes

[2025-01-28T18:17:20Z] <sad_plan> yes

[2025-01-28T18:17:37Z] oligarchy and plutocracy are the inevtitable end of capitalism

[2025-01-28T18:17:42Z] inevitable*

[2025-01-28T18:18:01Z] so, quid pro quo ipso fatso qed etc, capitalism is le bad

[2025-01-28T18:18:54Z] <sad_plan> sure/ some might argue that capitalism has lifted the living standards by a great deal, which may or may not be true.

[2025-01-28T18:19:09Z] <sad_plan> the rich still gets richer, and will shit on the less forutante all the way

[2025-01-28T18:19:15Z] it's certainly lifted millions out of poverty

[2025-01-28T18:19:19Z] <sad_plan> which in the end will turn out less ideal

[2025-01-28T18:19:19Z] at the cost of billions

[2025-01-28T18:19:23Z] lmao

[2025-01-28T18:19:33Z] a few hundred people have more material wealth than the bottom half of humanity

[2025-01-28T18:19:40Z] and it's not like that's in a vacuum

[2025-01-28T18:19:54Z] the people at the top systematically extract wealth from the blood of children in the congo and sweat of people in india et al

[2025-01-28T18:20:15Z] coincedinkally, these are the same countries that suffered under colonialism

[2025-01-28T18:20:19Z] makes you think

[2025-01-28T18:20:35Z] also

[2025-01-28T18:20:55Z] capitalism will only improve the living standards of the majority if it serves the interests of the owning class, unless they're compelled

[2025-01-28T18:21:25Z] <sad_plan> correct

[2025-01-28T18:21:35Z] <sad_plan> so people are really only at the mercy of the upper class

[2025-01-28T18:21:41Z] the owning class*

[2025-01-28T18:21:54Z] level of income isn't the concern, primarily, but the relationship to the economy

[2025-01-28T18:22:18Z] the way in which a landlord, C-suite, or investor exists is fundamentally different from the way in which most people, who work, exist

[2025-01-28T18:22:55Z] landlords, investors, C-suites, etc receive their income primarily passively. it comes to them based on their ability to compel the working class to accept meagre conditions under threat of starvation and death by exposure

[2025-01-28T18:23:01Z] this is the fundamental reality of our socioeconomic system

[2025-01-28T18:23:25Z] the real threat is that there are so many layers of abstraction that it's impossible for most people to pull them back to realise that

[2025-01-28T18:23:29Z] and again, arguably by design

[2025-01-28T18:23:54Z] an exhausted, borderline starving, borderline illiterate population that mostly exists via extractivist or menial service labour is easy to control

[2025-01-28T18:24:15Z] obvs "developed" countries like canada etc have it much better than say the congo

[2025-01-28T18:24:56Z] but even then the nature of the oppression faced by working people is fundamentally the same, even if it expresses itself in a different manner. in some countries, they can't get enough calories. in others, every ounce of nutrition is squeezed out of their food supply to maximise profit

[2025-01-28T18:25:09Z] in canada for example we're seeing a resurgence in mfing scurvy

[2025-01-28T18:25:09Z] and like

[2025-01-28T18:25:11Z] ricketts and shit

[2025-01-28T18:25:24Z] because under the pressure of inflation, companies have started to, for example

[2025-01-28T18:25:43Z] LITERALLY SQUEEZE PEANUT OIL OUT OF PEANUT BUTTER and replace it with canola oil to maintain or increase profits

[2025-01-28T18:25:52Z] which is fucking absurd

[2025-01-28T18:25:57Z] but them's the breaks

[2025-01-28T18:26:35Z] and that's in the better parts of the country. in the northern regions where it's unprofitable to transport and sell groceries they're dominated by monopolies that would charge you a million bucks for a broccoli if they could still sell at that price

[2025-01-28T18:27:27Z] even in more southerly regions like my home province of nova scotia or the place where i spent most of my life, new brunswick, the cost of living is so high that they've been described as neo-feudal societies

[2025-01-28T18:28:05Z] if your entire life is spent working a shit job that grinds you into a paste for literal starvation wages, i don't think that's a life worth living, nor the system that perpetuates that worth retaining

[2025-01-28T18:28:12Z] * midfavila breathes heavily

[2025-01-28T18:28:14Z] rant over

[2025-01-28T18:29:41Z] <kris_> canola butter

[2025-01-28T18:29:58Z] ...also this doesn't touch on the whole culture war thing being intentionally stoked by the owning class and their controlled politicians to artificially divide the working class to prevent them from realising the nature of the system under which they live or how income-based castes are used to pit middle and lower-income earners against each other even though their interests are largely the same-

[2025-01-28T18:31:14Z] ...also we haven't talked about how america still has legal slavery and how they utilise the threat of deportation and slavery against immigrants and minorities, mostly black and latin american, in order to bolster the US economy

[2025-01-28T18:33:43Z] <kris_> i feel like slavery remains legal under the concept of the current brand of capitalism here in the united states outside of race or status of immigration

[2025-01-28T18:33:55Z] <kris_> this place is hitting the fan, there's so much changing right now

[2025-01-28T18:34:10Z] yeah, in theory it's "equal slavery"

[2025-01-28T18:34:14Z] as punishment for a crime

[2025-01-28T18:34:26Z] <kris_> or rather at this point i don't know if i can realistically say "the current brand" of capitalism because this shit seems to go downhill globally

[2025-01-28T18:34:41Z] but in reality, owing to the damages caused by generations of slavery, jim crow, etc, poverty disproportionately affects certain ethnic groups

[2025-01-28T18:35:02Z] and poverty, both as demonstrated by statistics and by my reasoning above, is directly linked to crime

[2025-01-28T18:35:12Z] people will do whatever they have to to survive if backed into a corner

[2025-01-28T18:35:22Z] <kris_> of course they will- and they're backed into this corner intentionally

[2025-01-28T18:35:32Z] that leads to conviction by courts in which they hack little to no access to the resources they need to defend themselves

[2025-01-28T18:35:35Z] s/hack/have/

[2025-01-28T18:35:36Z] wtf brain

[2025-01-28T18:35:43Z] <kris_> external factors provide little option, is a shame

[2025-01-28T18:35:59Z] <kris_> but of course it also depends on what you define as crime

[2025-01-28T18:36:33Z] s/you/the owning class/ but yes

[2025-01-28T18:36:36Z] idk

[2025-01-28T18:36:39Z] * midfavila dies

[2025-01-28T18:36:45Z] i need more tea

[2025-01-28T18:36:49Z] i got like three hours of sleep last night

[2025-01-28T18:36:52Z] <kris_> well yes, the owning class but there's a concept of morality to some extent

[2025-01-28T18:37:30Z] i would argue that the harm done by someone stealing a catalytic converter to buy food, or by stealing that food directly, is infinitesimally small compared to the harm that pushes someone into that position

[2025-01-28T18:37:34Z] <kris_> just, as an example, someone just selling drugs because they have no other option in my opinion is a valid response to being backed into a corner, especially when they're primarily harmless ones like lsd/shrooms/whatever

[2025-01-28T18:37:45Z] <kris_> and yeah you're getting to my point already so

[2025-01-28T18:37:50Z] yeah we're in agreement

[2025-01-28T18:37:51Z] :P

[2025-01-28T18:40:27Z] tbh im at a point where like... i've basically written off the whole bygones being bygones overintellectualising bullshit that's been so dominant in The Discourse:tm: for... the past while

[2025-01-28T18:40:54Z] if you, knowingly, defend a system that perpetuates incalculable harm against your fellow human beings, you're just a write-off

[2025-01-28T18:40:57Z] * midfavila shrugs

[2025-01-28T18:41:23Z] i won't entertain such stances any longer

[2025-01-28T18:42:05Z] <kris_> majority of people only give a shit about themselves

[2025-01-28T18:42:16Z] <kris_> they'll pretend otherwise but i promise you it usually boils down to that

[2025-01-28T18:42:27Z] it's in everyone's best interests to cooperate

[2025-01-28T18:42:39Z] the belief otherwise is stoked by the current economic system

[2025-01-28T18:42:43Z] competition is inefficient

[2025-01-28T18:43:02Z] <kris_> of course it is, and this has been proven over and over, but it's rare i meet someone who has really given the concept of bettering things for the future any thought

[2025-01-28T18:43:23Z] well, only because nobody has time or energy for it

[2025-01-28T18:43:28Z] <kris_> and how could they?

[2025-01-28T18:43:35Z] <kris_> it's incompatible with the way the world works

[2025-01-28T18:43:39Z] ofc

[2025-01-28T18:44:06Z] that's why it's incumbent upon people who have that fortune to assist them where possible imho

[2025-01-28T18:44:17Z] show that there's an alternative

[2025-01-28T18:45:09Z] <kris_> luckily i live in a part of the united states that is less likely to immediately go downhill due to the current happenings

[2025-01-28T18:45:25Z] mfw i live in what amounts to canadian alabama

[2025-01-28T18:45:30Z] xwx

[2025-01-28T18:45:44Z] <kris_> i'm new to populated areas

[2025-01-28T18:45:56Z] fair

[2025-01-28T18:45:56Z] <kris_> grew up in a town in the rural south with a population of <100

[2025-01-28T18:45:58Z] <kris_> "town"

[2025-01-28T18:46:05Z] oh wow yeah

[2025-01-28T18:46:11Z] real sticks energy

[2025-01-28T18:46:12Z] <kris_> i do not like cities very much lol

[2025-01-28T18:46:22Z] cities as they are now in NA are dogshit

[2025-01-28T18:46:39Z] <kris_> bluntly, chicago is a terrible place

[2025-01-28T18:46:40Z] i grew up mostly on army bases and let me tell you the DoD here doesn't fuck around when it comes to designing

[2025-01-28T18:46:46Z] vs municipal councils

[2025-01-28T18:47:01Z] <kris_> i hate it when i go out in public and the public is there

[2025-01-28T18:47:01Z] the civvie portion of an army base here is so nice

[2025-01-28T18:47:06Z] <kris_> i miss being able to just vibe in the forest

[2025-01-28T18:47:14Z] yeah if you're used to that it can suck :x

[2025-01-28T18:47:20Z] some cities are better for that than others

[2025-01-28T18:47:37Z] there are places in the netherlands that are really strict about noise, pollution, green space, etc

[2025-01-28T18:47:42Z] <kris_> ive probably just had an abnormally bad experience being followed around and harassed by people downtown

[2025-01-28T18:47:49Z] no thats normal for downtown

[2025-01-28T18:47:50Z] <kris_> groups of people following me around, it's fucking terrifying

[2025-01-28T18:48:23Z] <kris_> panda express is a hotspot for unhinged behavior too lmao as weird as that correlation is

[2025-01-28T18:48:39Z] i moved to saskatchewan from new brunswick just under a year ago and i went from not having any negative encounters in over ten years of any sort in my old city's downtown to, in ~12 months, having at least two to three encounters a month with someone being fucking awful

[2025-01-28T18:49:03Z] like sometimes i'll go into a c-store run by some indian guys and the amount of shit i see them put up with here is unreal

[2025-01-28T18:49:18Z] like they've had people just go in and start going on racist tirades at them for no reason

[2025-01-28T18:49:27Z] one lady attacked the clerk unprompted

[2025-01-28T18:49:45Z] i literally couldn't believe what i was seeing

[2025-01-28T18:49:48Z] <kris_> most people here that aggro on you are just trying to get money for food or something genuinely but typically it's so dangerous to interact with these people they just get ignored so that leads to a further spiral for them

[2025-01-28T18:49:55Z] yeah

[2025-01-28T18:50:00Z] that happens here a lot too, unfortunately

[2025-01-28T18:50:21Z] saskatchewan is very much a good-old-boys pull-yourself-up-with-a-firm-handshake i-got-mine sort of place

[2025-01-28T18:50:35Z] which is absolutely hilarious because it's the birthplace of canadian socialism

[2025-01-28T18:50:53Z] <kris_> NA as a whole isn't in a great state at the moment

[2025-01-28T18:51:07Z] the NDP originated as the CCF which, in one of its earliest and most foundational documents, the regina manifesto, explicitly declared an intention to destroy capitalism in all of its forms within the province

[2025-01-28T18:51:12Z] their words, not mine

[2025-01-28T18:51:38Z] their leader during their first term of government is considered the greatest canadian citizen of all time, too

[2025-01-28T18:51:42Z] tommy douglas

[2025-01-28T18:51:48Z] then people turn around and hiss at socialism and its like

[2025-01-28T18:51:51Z] bruh he was a commie

[2025-01-28T18:51:55Z] * midfavila squints

[2025-01-28T18:52:01Z] but yeah NA is a fucking disaster

[2025-01-28T18:52:14Z] i know britain isn't in a great place but if i could i would fuck off to scotland or something

[2025-01-28T18:52:19Z] its unironically cheaper to live in fucking

[2025-01-28T18:52:21Z] london england

[2025-01-28T18:52:25Z] than middle of nowhere saskatchewan

[2025-01-28T18:52:32Z] which is already the cheapest place in all of canada

[2025-01-28T18:52:34Z] <kris_> oh shit is mad cheap here in the US, that's not even remotely an issue

[2025-01-28T18:52:39Z] <kris_> unless healthcare comes into question of course

[2025-01-28T18:52:39Z] yeah ive seen

[2025-01-28T18:52:49Z] i had a friend in seattle complain that the price for 32oz ~1kg of tortillas was like

[2025-01-28T18:52:53Z] 4USD

[2025-01-28T18:53:05Z] <kris_> my last job kinda fucked me over as far as healthcare goes so i've just been prescribing myself stuff at this point instead of going to the doctor

[2025-01-28T18:53:07Z] meanwhile in canada you can expect to pay like 7-8CAD for 5-6 tortillas

[2025-01-28T18:53:08Z] <kris_> the way it goes

[2025-01-28T18:53:19Z] that sucks man, sorry to hear :c

[2025-01-28T18:53:41Z] <kris_> meh ill live

[2025-01-28T18:53:43Z] <kris_> probably

[2025-01-28T18:53:46Z] i'm getting fucked over too. the tariffs are forcing my boss to downsize so i'm getting laid off at the end of the week

[2025-01-28T18:53:52Z] which is awesome

[2025-01-28T18:53:55Z] <kris_> wtf that blows

[2025-01-28T18:53:57Z] yeah

[2025-01-28T18:54:01Z] <kris_> i figure you're in IT?

[2025-01-28T18:54:15Z] i work IT for a small construction logistics firm

[2025-01-28T18:54:18Z] <kris_> if so, hopefully the job market for that is better there than it is here

[2025-01-28T18:54:22Z] LMFAO

[2025-01-28T18:54:24Z] no

[2025-01-28T18:54:25Z] not even close

[2025-01-28T18:54:27Z] <kris_> i've been applying to shit for going on 2 years now and havent gotten any interviews

[2025-01-28T18:54:29Z] <kris_> yeah it's fucked

[2025-01-28T18:54:32Z] there's absolutely zero work anywhere in canada for IT

[2025-01-28T18:54:42Z] <kris_> ive had better luck getting responses applying for remote positions at european companies unironically

[2025-01-28T18:54:44Z] <kris_> something worth looking into

[2025-01-28T18:54:51Z] unless you have a bach pref for masters plus ten years experience plus a million certs plus you can handle their entire tech stack on day one in your sleep

[2025-01-28T18:54:59Z] <kris_> yeah it'

[2025-01-28T18:55:01Z] and youll take llike 30-40kCAD a year salary

[2025-01-28T18:55:03Z] <kris_> it's the same way here*

[2025-01-28T18:55:04Z] and no bennies

[2025-01-28T18:55:08Z] like fuck offfffff

[2025-01-28T18:55:20Z] i'll go on income assistance and spend my time volunteering before i do that shit

[2025-01-28T18:55:32Z] <kris_> i expect to fall back to civil engineering personally

[2025-01-28T18:55:38Z] <kris_> IT is rapidly going downhill

[2025-01-28T18:55:42Z] yeah IT is fucked

[2025-01-28T18:55:49Z] i would get a job in the trades but the trades here are fucked too

[2025-01-28T18:56:04Z] everyone is always bitching about how muh kids just wanna play with computers, muh apprentices, muh this, muh that

[2025-01-28T18:56:15Z] <kris_> being an electrician is where a lot of money is at here at the moment because all of the people who do that are retiring

[2025-01-28T18:56:17Z] and then i apply to like two dozen places looking for apprentices and they all want you to have 2+ years of experience

[2025-01-28T18:56:26Z] like what the fuck the entire point of an apprentice is that you train them

[2025-01-28T18:56:41Z] <kris_> maybe it'll backfire for them eventually when they just run out of employees

[2025-01-28T18:56:48Z] it's already backfiring in canada

[2025-01-28T18:56:50Z] i'm calling it

[2025-01-28T18:56:56Z] in five to ten years canada's economy will explode

[2025-01-28T18:57:15Z] the economy is basically propped up by housing speculation and the service sector and absolutely nothing else

[2025-01-28T18:57:25Z] something like 20% of our GDP is just housing speculation

[2025-01-28T18:57:27Z] not like

[2025-01-28T18:57:28Z] building

[2025-01-28T18:57:30Z] or sales

[2025-01-28T18:57:36Z] or the construction industry writ large

[2025-01-28T18:57:41Z] just speculating on a few metros

[2025-01-28T18:57:53Z] for context the entire oil and gas industry in canada is 5-8%

[2025-01-28T18:57:59Z] :^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[2025-01-28T18:58:20Z] <kris_> all things considered a lot of europe seems to be doing relatively well

[2025-01-28T18:58:27Z] <kris_> i've been considering trying to get into ireland or germany for a while

[2025-01-28T18:58:47Z] also most of the housing stock was bought by boomers for like a raspberry and two nickels in 3000bc and now theyre all worth 5mCAD+ and nobody in the younger generation can qualify for a mortgage

[2025-01-28T18:58:59Z] <kris_> i have no actual statistics for this of course but most of my friends are european and according to them you can get an IT job within like a month if you apply a bunch

[2025-01-28T18:59:09Z] <kris_> they don't pay super well but they pay enough

[2025-01-28T18:59:10Z] so when the boomers and early Xers retire and try to sell to pay off the mortgage and pull out of the market, there wont be any buyers

[2025-01-28T18:59:17Z] yeah ive heard as much

[2025-01-28T18:59:22Z] esp in eastern europe

[2025-01-28T18:59:26Z] <kris_> yeah i dont understand housing prices in canada

[2025-01-28T18:59:31Z] speculation

[2025-01-28T18:59:32Z] <kris_> nobodys going to be able to buy any of that shit

[2025-01-28T18:59:34Z] thats it

[2025-01-28T18:59:39Z] it's literally cheaper to buy a european castle

[2025-01-28T18:59:40Z] <kris_> speculate that nobody can afford that maybe

[2025-01-28T18:59:42Z] <kris_> lmao

[2025-01-28T18:59:47Z] yeah thats the problem

[2025-01-28T18:59:51Z] * midfavila dies

[2025-01-28T18:59:57Z] sewn: cuz i don't like it. too arcade and casual even with mods

[2025-01-28T19:00:09Z] im going to pay off my debts and save up just so i can bounce to britain on a youth visa if i have to

[2025-01-28T19:00:41Z] the only way canada can reverse course is with an absolutely enormous public housing initiative backed by a common front across all levels of government

[2025-01-28T19:00:45Z] which, good luck with that

[2025-01-28T19:01:27Z] <kris_> trying to quell my itch to distrohop my desktop

[2025-01-28T19:01:43Z] take the LFS pill

[2025-01-28T19:02:02Z] <kris_> nah i like kiss, i just also don't feel like packaging things

[2025-01-28T19:02:10Z] <kris_> i've been using pretty strictly void for ~3 years on everything i can

[2025-01-28T19:02:40Z] <kris_> the issue is that i really would like to be on something that doesn't let packages rot as much, and compile times are now negligible to me so i'm taking a more serious look at gentoo musl / kiss

[2025-01-28T19:03:15Z] kiss is comfy but yeah it does require a lot of work on the part of the user

[2025-01-28T19:03:25Z] i spent years working on my repo

[2025-01-28T19:03:27Z] <kris_> oh i fucking love the kiss package manager / build system

[2025-01-28T19:03:47Z] <kris_> it's just also going to be a fair amount of effort to write and maintain build scripts for things i need

[2025-01-28T19:03:52Z] * midfavila nods

[2025-01-28T19:04:08Z] <kris_> the main thing i'm after is musl

[2025-01-28T19:04:22Z] <kris_> at the moment voids musl is still on 1.1.24 with a bunch of patches

[2025-01-28T19:04:32Z] <kris_> so, i am a glibc user for the moment

[2025-01-28T19:04:56Z] <kris_> do you have a link to your repository?

[2025-01-28T19:05:05Z] one sec

[2025-01-28T19:05:43Z] i uhhhh have a few since before i had to step away from kiss i was experimenting a lot

[2025-01-28T19:06:21Z] https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/A_OS

[2025-01-28T19:06:24Z] this was the last one i was using

[2025-01-28T19:06:43Z] it assumes everything under official/sys/core is installed

[2025-01-28T19:07:02Z] but most of what's there is just random crap i use instead of busybox

[2025-01-28T19:07:27Z] the rest of what's packaged is just a really simple, stripped-down musl/X11 system

[2025-01-28T19:07:49Z] <kris_> yeah, i had intended on replacing busybox with gnu coreutils on my system if dailying kiss

[2025-01-28T19:07:58Z] ewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewew

[2025-01-28T19:08:00Z] * midfavila hisses

[2025-01-28T19:08:00Z] <kris_> :c

[2025-01-28T19:08:09Z] <kris_> listen don't judge, OCD dictates what i do and do not do

[2025-01-28T19:08:09Z] to the stockade

[2025-01-28T19:08:20Z] * midfavila judges. Intensely.

[2025-01-28T19:08:22Z] but fair

[2025-01-28T19:08:22Z] <kris_> on busybox systems i usually end up with some unholy mixture of the two

[2025-01-28T19:08:27Z] <kris_> so id rather just have one

[2025-01-28T19:08:49Z] <kris_> chimerautils seems interesting too though, i like freebsds utilities

[2025-01-28T19:09:21Z] <kris_> really as far as i can tell so far, the only things i should need to package for kiss would be xfsprogs and weechat

[2025-01-28T19:09:38Z] <kris_> a big chunk of the things i use are via flatpak anyway (icky i know but i also think it kicks ass)

[2025-01-28T19:13:03Z] i have xfsprogs

[2025-01-28T19:13:06Z] or, i should

[2025-01-28T19:13:09Z] since i mostly use xfs and nilfs

[2025-01-28T19:13:30Z] <kris_> i rather exclusively use xfs, ext4 has had a history of blowing up if i look at it wrong

[2025-01-28T19:14:03Z] <kris_> zfs is the only other i'd really consider, and would rather not because it's kind of bloated as hell imho

[2025-01-28T19:53:50Z] sorry boss came back

[2025-01-28T19:53:57Z] but yeah zfs does way too much

[2025-01-28T19:54:14Z] i get that it's Scalable:tm: and Enterprise:r: and Synergistic:c: and all that but i just dont care

[2025-01-28T19:54:27Z] nilfs is much simpler in comparison and does enough

[2025-01-28T19:58:47Z] <kris_> zfs makes things easier when you have a shit ton of drives for sure

[2025-01-28T19:59:08Z] <kris_> on my server i'm still just using lvm raid with dm-integrity though, once i pick up 5+ drives i'll likely move that array over to zfs