[2023-10-05T10:24:28Z] hji

[2023-10-05T10:24:32Z] hi

[2023-10-05T12:39:27Z] <sad_plan> hi

[2023-10-05T13:02:24Z] hi

[2023-10-05T14:46:43Z] You are all using wayland, or someone went (or just didn't move from) X ?

[2023-10-05T14:46:57Z] <sad_plan> I use tinyx

[2023-10-05T14:47:10Z] Why don't use wayland ?

[2023-10-05T14:47:14Z] Not a critic

[2023-10-05T14:47:45Z] I like wayland, but like you need pipewire to do screenshot etc, it's fucking sad

[2023-10-05T14:47:48Z] X was simpler

[2023-10-05T14:48:11Z] <sad_plan> meh, ive not yet found a wm that I like

[2023-10-05T14:48:30Z] <sad_plan> im in no hurry in switching anyway so

[2023-10-05T14:48:55Z] <sad_plan> I know of spkp, but its broken beyond my ability to fix

[2023-10-05T14:49:26Z] <sad_plan> I also happen to like that tinyx doesnt require mesa. so initially, I just dont require that much stuff

[2023-10-05T14:50:10Z] Yeah understandable and I guess X won't die anyways, there's some active fork like the OpenBSD one

[2023-10-05T14:50:18Z] IIRC NetBSD also has its own X fork

[2023-10-05T14:50:43Z] <sad_plan> yeah, xenocara is cool. but ive never got it to work. it did build, but it never launched for me.

[2023-10-05T14:50:45Z] <sad_plan> do they?

[2023-10-05T14:51:00Z] Yeah NetBSD has it's own "modular" X fork

[2023-10-05T14:52:09Z] sad_plan: what repo do you use for X stuff

[2023-10-05T14:52:12Z] <sad_plan> but its already somewhat modular, so I dont get the deal

[2023-10-05T14:52:17Z] <sad_plan> my own, or kiss-xorg

[2023-10-05T14:52:22Z] <sad_plan> s/or/and

[2023-10-05T14:53:23Z] The X.org X11 Server from the modularized source tree of

[2023-10-05T14:53:25Z] X.org X11.

[2023-10-05T14:53:27Z] https://pkgsrc.se/x11/modular-xorg-server

[2023-10-05T14:53:37Z] my bad it's not a fork it seems

[2023-10-05T14:54:37Z] <sad_plan> very well then

[2023-10-05T15:30:20Z] vova: you need pipewire for screensharing not screenshotting

[2023-10-05T15:31:38Z] yeah my bad

[2023-10-05T15:31:44Z] But you see what I mean

[2023-10-05T15:31:58Z] pipewire for screensharing, for accessing webcam and so on, it's sad

[2023-10-05T15:32:01Z] X you need nothing

[2023-10-05T15:34:20Z] in my eyes the difference between X and wayland is that wayland is core and all features are external (like screensharing, compositing, input, etc) while X is a big monolithic do-all

[2023-10-05T15:34:45Z] Yeah but that's the issue

[2023-10-05T15:34:55Z] most applications want easier route for screensharing for wayland so they go with dbus, then the portal wlroots which itself needs pipewire

[2023-10-05T15:34:57Z] why the fuck do you need pipewire if you just want to screenshare

[2023-10-05T15:35:28Z] because wayland doesn't provide it

[2023-10-05T15:35:32Z] like what if I want to use alsa for the sound, I'm still forced to use pipewire

[2023-10-05T15:36:05Z] then dont screenshare

[2023-10-05T15:37:34Z] :(

[2023-10-05T15:37:41Z] pipewire is the new systemd

[2023-10-05T15:37:51Z] bloatware

[2023-10-05T15:38:13Z] atleast pipewire gives you some form of freedom and control over all of its modules and such, can disable dbus if needed

[2023-10-05T15:38:31Z] Yeah but still too big

[2023-10-05T15:38:32Z] i use pipewire to have the ability to easily switch audio devices

[2023-10-05T15:39:12Z] and also most applications dont support bare ALSA

[2023-10-05T15:39:21Z] atleast that i use

[2023-10-05T15:43:36Z] <sad_plan> tinyalsa and alsa-lib is all that I need. ive been trying to rid myself of alsa-lib though, and just use sndio/tinyalsa, but ive yet to get it to work

[2023-10-05T15:44:29Z] sad_plan: doesnt sndio on linux simply run as compatibility layer for ALSA? or does linux support sndio natively

[2023-10-05T15:44:41Z] ive used sndio on openbsd and i can say its better than alsa AND pipewire by miles

[2023-10-05T15:48:17Z] <sad_plan> im not sure actually tbh. I seem to recall I got it working once, but then I rebuilt my system, and Ive never gotten it to work after that

[2023-10-05T15:48:42Z] <sad_plan> sndio is supported on linux. no patches is afaik required

[2023-10-05T15:51:01Z] that sounds cool

[2023-10-05T15:53:23Z] <sad_plan> sure

[2023-10-05T15:54:50Z] <sad_plan> on their website, it states its actually a server. and so is alsa-lib's aserver. so.. I would assume it would be possible. I dunno.