[2023-02-13T01:15:56Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you can go with a gamming pc with a threadripper and a 4090 gpu!! That will be insane build.

[2023-02-13T01:16:20Z] <niceguy5000[m]> with pci gen 5 and usb 4

[2023-02-13T01:17:07Z] <shokara_> I love my countless blobs in my computer that costs the same as a raptor talos 2 :DDDD

[2023-02-13T01:17:51Z] <niceguy5000[m]> The reason why I said to go with sbc cluster is you don't need blobs at all.

[2023-02-13T01:18:08Z] <shokara_> you can also simply use an older computer that doesn't have the blobs

[2023-02-13T01:18:39Z] <niceguy5000[m]> libre x200?

[2023-02-13T01:18:53Z] <shokara_> it's not like you need to compile chromium in under an hour every day

[2023-02-13T01:19:08Z] <shokara_> something like a desktop librebooted x200, yes

[2023-02-13T01:19:21Z] <niceguy5000[m]> is that what you use?

[2023-02-13T01:19:23Z] <shokara_> according to libreboot.org, the ga-g41m-es2l was just that

[2023-02-13T01:20:29Z] <niceguy5000[m]> what cpus does it support?

[2023-02-13T01:20:39Z] <shokara_> no, I have a ga-z77x-ud3h with a 3770k and r9 390. so a few blobs. (proprietary bios until coreboot ported, microcode, gpu)

[2023-02-13T01:20:46Z] <shokara_> desktop sandy bridge and ivy bridge

[2023-02-13T01:20:52Z] <shokara_> oh

[2023-02-13T01:21:02Z] <shokara_> the ga-g41m was lga 775, so some pentiums and core 2

[2023-02-13T01:21:18Z] <shokara_> core 2 quad iirc

[2023-02-13T01:22:11Z] <shokara_> >CPU Intel Core 2 Extreme/Quad/Duo, Pentium Extreme/D/4 Extreme/4/Celeron

[2023-02-13T01:22:21Z] laptops are cancer

[2023-02-13T01:22:58Z] re: desktop x200

[2023-02-13T01:22:59Z] <shokara_> agreed

[2023-02-13T01:23:03Z] the x series in particular is dogshit

[2023-02-13T01:23:06Z] i had an x201t

[2023-02-13T01:23:14Z] one of the worst devices i've ever owned

[2023-02-13T01:23:18Z] <shokara_> what I meant by desktop x200 is libreboot's description of the ga-g41m-es2l

[2023-02-13T01:23:24Z] o

[2023-02-13T01:23:27Z] fair enough

[2023-02-13T01:23:31Z] <shokara_> >This is a desktop board using intel hardware (circa ~2009, ICH7 southbridge, similar performance-wise to the ThinkPad X200. It can make for quite a nifty desktop. Powered by libreboot.

[2023-02-13T01:23:37Z] i'm arguing with someone about autoexec.bat optimizations being esoteric over telnet

[2023-02-13T01:24:00Z] <shokara_> but using a laptop for a desktop does seem uncomfy

[2023-02-13T01:24:39Z] extremely

[2023-02-13T01:24:44Z] even with a docking station they're bad

[2023-02-13T01:28:16Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you can buy them portable monitors for cheap.

[2023-02-13T01:28:35Z] cheap being multiple hundreds of dollars plus the cost of getting something that supports them

[2023-02-13T01:28:38Z] noth

[2023-02-13T01:28:39Z] x

[2023-02-13T01:30:21Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it's $100 for 1080 ips

[2023-02-13T01:30:50Z] <shokara_> I'd use the ga-g41m-es2l, but the core 2 extreme 4c/8t 3.2ghz cpu (qx9775) has 150W tdp...

[2023-02-13T01:33:52Z] <niceguy5000[m]> this could be good if you have like 1-3 pcs in the network with vnc.

[2023-02-13T01:34:24Z] <shokara_> the portable monitors?

[2023-02-13T01:34:25Z] i just want what amounts to a blobless thin client

[2023-02-13T01:34:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> no the ga-g41m-es2l

[2023-02-13T01:34:47Z] i do a lot of work on sdf and it wouldn't be hard to move most of it over there

[2023-02-13T01:35:16Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it's 50 bucks and the cpu is 25-50 bucks.

[2023-02-13T01:35:23Z] <niceguy5000[m]> * 50 bucks for the motherboard and the

[2023-02-13T01:35:29Z] <shokara_> yup, but then there's the picky ram

[2023-02-13T01:36:56Z] god knows how much you'd have to spend to figure out what set of sticks works

[2023-02-13T01:39:22Z] <shokara_> I think it uses ddr2, which is fairly cheap

[2023-02-13T01:39:23Z] <shokara_> or should be

[2023-02-13T01:39:49Z] inb4 it's gotten way more expensive because rare vintage

[2023-02-13T01:39:57Z] <shokara_> :/

[2023-02-13T01:40:08Z] <shokara_> might as well sell my unused 4x2G DDR2 sticks then

[2023-02-13T01:40:17Z] R@RE RETRO GAMING VINTAGE

[2023-02-13T01:41:33Z] <shokara_> it's around $15 on ebay

[2023-02-13T01:41:43Z] how much does the board support, again?

[2023-02-13T01:41:45Z] 4gb?

[2023-02-13T01:41:47Z] <shokara_> and less, for the stick that libreboot's docs recommends

[2023-02-13T01:41:55Z] <shokara_> up to 16gb

[2023-02-13T01:42:02Z] wild

[2023-02-13T01:42:18Z] <shokara_> desktop sandy/ivybridge supported up to 32gb

[2023-02-13T01:42:43Z] <shokara_> for this though, 16gb would only be from 2x8GB sticks

[2023-02-13T01:42:43Z] 32gb still feels like a ton

[2023-02-13T01:42:49Z] <shokara_> because it only has 2 slots :/

[2023-02-13T01:42:54Z] <shokara_> it is

[2023-02-13T01:44:33Z] <shokara_> it's funny to see core 2 extreme cpus upwards of 130W tdp on ebay being sold with intel stock coolers

[2023-02-13T01:45:13Z] <niceguy5000[m]> if you had 2-3 of these pcs with vnc it become usable. one seems to low power for me.

[2023-02-13T01:45:31Z] <shokara_> over vnc seems like it'd make it slower

[2023-02-13T01:45:53Z] <shokara_> the only purpose I see multiple of these computers being useful would be with distcc

[2023-02-13T01:46:08Z] i mean

[2023-02-13T01:46:14Z] i've used weaker machines in the past without much trouble

[2023-02-13T01:46:27Z] as long as you don't intend to do a ton of web browsing with firefox or w/e they're totally fine

[2023-02-13T01:46:35Z] <shokara_> same, and that's why I don't see the point of multiple of these computers

[2023-02-13T01:46:50Z] <shokara_> especially with a core 2 quad or extreme, it seems perfectly fine to me

[2023-02-13T01:46:54Z] yeye

[2023-02-13T01:47:17Z] <shokara_> core 2 extreme for example seems to just be a hotter sandy/ivybridge i7

[2023-02-13T01:49:38Z] <shokara_> with a decent ati or matrox gpu and ignoring the picky ram, it seems like a fine computer to me

[2023-02-13T01:50:04Z] problem with matrox cards is that there's only like

[2023-02-13T01:50:06Z] two that are libre

[2023-02-13T01:50:15Z] <shokara_> sadly

[2023-02-13T01:50:49Z] <shokara_> I wonder if the older ati gpus also required external blobs

[2023-02-13T01:52:29Z] dunno

[2023-02-13T01:52:32Z] the really bleh

[2023-02-13T01:52:40Z] s/the really//

[2023-02-13T01:52:42Z] wtf me

[2023-02-13T01:56:42Z] <niceguy5000[m]> GA-G41M-ES2L with a 4090 card with be epic /s.

[2023-02-13T01:56:57Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/with/would/

[2023-02-13T01:57:39Z] <shokara_> if that were to actually happen, I think it'd basically be a super power hungry gtx 480 and catch on fire :D

[2023-02-13T02:07:57Z] <niceguy5000[m]> does the QX9770 have ME?

[2023-02-13T02:10:37Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it can run gta 5 which is quite impressive. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HNqwx0nGslc

[2023-02-13T02:10:39Z] <shokara_> probably, but it can be removed completely in this generation

[2023-02-13T02:11:00Z] <shokara_> well I think it can be

[2023-02-13T02:13:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> can libreboot overclock the cpu?

[2023-02-13T02:14:03Z] <shokara_> iirc, overclocking from core/libreboot can only be done through msr registers in linux's sysfs

[2023-02-13T02:23:51Z] well i'm off to bed

[2023-02-13T02:23:57Z] don't burn the chat down while i'm away

[2023-02-13T02:26:45Z] <shokara_> gn

[2023-02-13T02:37:23Z] <niceguy5000[m]> are all amd gpus blobless?

[2023-02-13T02:39:21Z] <shokara_> definitely definitely not

[2023-02-13T02:39:26Z] <shokara_> I don't know about their older ati gpus though

[2023-02-13T02:39:43Z] <shokara_> but all amd gpus from amdgpu and most(?) from radeonkms are

[2023-02-13T02:45:22Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it's cost like 200 bucks to build libreboot desktop pc.

[2023-02-13T02:45:23Z] <niceguy5000[m]> not bad.

[2023-02-13T03:12:20Z] Hi

[2023-02-13T03:18:42Z] o/

[2023-02-13T03:19:15Z] I see you've been playing with multilib again, how's your sanity doing

[2023-02-13T03:21:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> wael what's your github?

[2023-02-13T03:33:34Z] apprehensions

[2023-02-13T03:33:46Z] davidgarland: stop stalking me

[2023-02-13T03:34:11Z] my multilib isn't on github tho, most of my repositories are on codeberg

[2023-02-13T03:35:44Z] xp my bad

[2023-02-13T03:36:52Z] I did get it working very very quickly I'll say that

[2023-02-13T03:37:10Z] nice

[2023-02-13T03:37:10Z] what type of system are you on davidgarland ? Nvidia?

[2023-02-13T03:37:18Z] amd, for both cpu and gpu

[2023-02-13T03:38:13Z] still have yet to get a chroot or flatpak set up to play some games with, I thought I'd try doing minecraft and that that'd be "easy" but both multimc forks I've found use openssl 1.1.1

[2023-02-13T03:38:28Z] so I don't actually know if my gpu fans work outside of boot setup or not

[2023-02-13T03:38:36Z] could you install Vulkan-Tools and see if vkcube runs

[2023-02-13T03:38:56Z] sure

[2023-02-13T03:39:27Z] if it doesn't it won't say anything conclusive about your packages though, it may just be a sign of my own incompetence-- I haven't been doing this very long

[2023-02-13T03:39:37Z] It will

[2023-02-13T03:39:50Z] grepo and kiss-xorg mesa both don't have vulkan out of the box

[2023-02-13T03:40:11Z] I have an nvidia system, and vulkan and other things are not provided by mesa

[2023-02-13T03:40:40Z] I see

[2023-02-13T03:42:02Z] "environment variable DISPLAY requires a valid value"-- is this because I'm running on wayland? Or will just doing DISPLAY=0 or something like that make it happy

[2023-02-13T03:42:20Z] You're on Wayland?

[2023-02-13T03:42:39Z] yes-- I mean, I have dwm, so I can switch over to that real quick and test there

[2023-02-13T03:42:42Z] kiss-multilib was designed for X11 with some packages having optional support

[2023-02-13T03:42:47Z] for wayland

[2023-02-13T03:43:01Z] enable Wayland support in the vulkan-tools build file

[2023-02-13T03:43:21Z] alright

[2023-02-13T03:43:48Z] for the record I probably will fully switch over to X if it turns out to not have a noticable performance diff for me, dwm is comfy-- but ill try that

[2023-02-13T03:44:50Z] building with {wl:-ON} gives me undefined reference to `vkCreateWaylandSurfaceKHR'

[2023-02-13T03:45:12Z] I've tried running some apps like games on Wayland and it worked fine

[2023-02-13T03:45:18Z] You have to enable wl for vulkan-loader as well

[2023-02-13T03:45:25Z] a

[2023-02-13T03:46:20Z] hmm, still gives me the "DISPLAY requires a valid value" message

[2023-02-13T03:46:32Z] probably because xorg support is enabled

[2023-02-13T03:46:38Z] ah

[2023-02-13T03:46:42Z] you can't really escape X when it comes to gaming

[2023-02-13T03:46:52Z] you need xwayland and in return you need libX11 and relaged

[2023-02-13T03:46:54Z] related*

[2023-02-13T03:47:25Z] I do have libX11, but not xwayland, so I'll grab the latter

[2023-02-13T03:48:01Z] Bru might as well use xorg at that point

[2023-02-13T03:48:16Z] true why bother with bad wm and bad terminal

[2023-02-13T03:48:42Z] are you referring to xorg or Wayland I can't tell

[2023-02-13T03:48:46Z] wayland

[2023-02-13T03:48:58Z] what terminal and wm are you using

[2023-02-13T03:49:08Z] foot and sway

[2023-02-13T03:49:19Z] I tried dwl a long while back but it was very incomplete feeling

[2023-02-13T03:49:23Z] noted

[2023-02-13T03:49:37Z] yeah you can't use something like dwl when you want to use the big apps like games

[2023-02-13T03:49:42Z] foot isn't that bad I'm just picky, I like ligatures

[2023-02-13T03:50:01Z] yea

[2023-02-13T03:50:23Z] when I got multimc running (back when you could still build that yourself) I had to patch dwl with a 'pointer constraints' patch someone made

[2023-02-13T03:50:31Z] a phrase I had never heard that just means 'letting the window capture the mouse' lmao

[2023-02-13T03:50:37Z] I just assumed that all WMs did that

[2023-02-13T03:50:55Z] lmao

[2023-02-13T03:51:50Z] <shokara_> "back when you could still build that yourself" what do you mean by this? I haven't built multimc recently, but multimc 0.16(?) and polymc build easily for me

[2023-02-13T03:52:09Z] I mean you have to do some fiddling with it, and they won't let you package it under the same name

[2023-02-13T03:52:13Z] hence why polymc exists at all

[2023-02-13T03:52:18Z] <shokara_> 0.6.11* and 0.6.7

[2023-02-13T03:53:24Z] <shokara_> I thought polymc existed over telemetry concerns instead of branding. interesting

[2023-02-13T03:55:08Z] less interesting is that there's a third, "prism launcher", started because of drama related to polymc's author saying something people didn't like and removing some peoples' perms

[2023-02-13T03:55:32Z] <shokara_> oh yes I forgot that one existed

[2023-02-13T03:56:51Z] gonna rejoin on another device so I can fiddle with dwm a bit

[2023-02-13T03:58:06Z] (I'm aware I could just use tmux sessions or something but it's whatever)

[2023-02-13T04:03:12Z] <testuser[m]123> Hi

[2023-02-13T04:03:17Z] o/

[2023-02-13T04:03:19Z] <shokara_> greetings

[2023-02-13T04:58:12Z] sewn: alright, progress. I didn't have my locale set that whole time so I had to set it and rebuild all my x11/xorg related stuff as it was giving me "warning: no locale support" even after setting the locale, now st and dmenu launch as usual

[2023-02-13T04:58:45Z] running vkcube gives me "vkEnumerateInstanceExtensionProperties failed to find the VK_KHR_surface extension. Do you have a compatible vulkan instance client driver (ICD) installed?"

[2023-02-13T06:01:25Z] gonna head to bed seeing as it's midnight, gn

[2023-02-13T06:02:46Z] gn

[2023-02-13T06:02:55Z] also seems that overrides for mesa need to be made

[2023-02-13T06:09:13Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Do you use multilib for roblox?

[2023-02-13T06:09:26Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/roblox/Roblox/

[2023-02-13T06:41:48Z] <testuser[m]123> To write in the ways of the POSIX, she must bang your script with #!/bin/sh. That she bangs #!/usr/bin/env sh is wrongful for env is not a guarantee but a privilege. Only guarantee is her ability to she bang #!/bin/sh

[2023-02-13T06:43:38Z] niceguy5000: bro how the hell did you know wtf

[2023-02-13T06:45:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://github.com/vinegarhq/vinegar

[2023-02-13T06:48:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I did a bit of detective work.

[2023-02-13T06:51:00Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you're a goer, I didn't know. https://media.tenor.com/TCMWkxIkF9IAAAAi/dancing-gopher.gif

[2023-02-13T06:56:39Z] what's it with people stalking me

[2023-02-13T06:58:17Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Wat... never...

[2023-02-13T07:40:14Z] <niceguy5000[m]> This is cool. GA-G41M-ES2L doesn't require external flashing.https://libreboot.org/docs/install/ga-g41m-es2l.html

[2023-02-13T08:13:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> full blobless system without ME and a rx580 with blobless ath9k wifi.

[2023-02-13T08:21:06Z] no

[2023-02-13T08:48:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> wael: you run a full blob system?

[2023-02-13T09:07:11Z] <niceguy5000[m]> That's a shame

[2023-02-13T09:07:11Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://media.tenor.com/wjJryaUHy1gAAAAd/seinfeld-shame.gif

[2023-02-13T12:30:59Z] >go to log in to SDF

[2023-02-13T12:30:59Z] >it's not accepting my password

[2023-02-13T12:31:03Z] what the f u c k

[2023-02-13T12:32:08Z] hakced

[2023-02-13T12:32:15Z] nah I can access my webmail account

[2023-02-13T12:32:23Z] someone probably just fucked something up

[2023-02-13T15:30:47Z] <shokara_> "<niceguy5000[m]> This is cool. GA-G41M-ES2L doesn't require external flashing." except for the recent ones (i.e. aorus?), all the ivybridge era and earlier gigabyte motherboards have unprotected bios flashing

[2023-02-13T15:31:15Z] <shokara_> and on my one for example, if it's a bad flash and becomes bricked, there's a second bios chip that overwrites the bricked chip

[2023-02-13T15:31:49Z] <shokara_> if it's a good flash and posts well, then I flash both bios chips

[2023-02-13T19:07:15Z] <niceguy5000[m]> It's super cool, it only cost like 200 bucks for everything. you can 2-3 of these with KVM switches and split screen monitors. full blob less systems with the same performances as modern hardware. 3 of them are 12 cores. You can program the kvm switch with the keyboard, just like you would use dwm spaces.

[2023-02-13T19:07:27Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/are/is/

[2023-02-13T19:12:01Z] <niceguy5000[m]> AMD 580 is 60-80 bucks.

[2023-02-13T19:56:48Z] o/

[2023-02-13T20:09:46Z] Hi

[2023-02-13T20:10:34Z] hallo sewn

[2023-02-13T20:10:55Z] btw I have confirmed my GPU works and all that, I ran glmark2 and the fans on it started spinning so there's that worry gone

[2023-02-13T20:20:21Z] also maybe you're already aware of this but when I have those Vulkan packages installed, ffmpeg fails to build with an error saying "VK_EXT_VIDEO_DECODE_H264_EXTENSION_NAME" is undeclared, then asking "did you mean <the same thing but s/DECODE/ENCODE>?"

[2023-02-13T20:20:46Z] maybe this is implied by the mesa thing you mentioned yesterday, I'm clueless about how all of this is interconnected

[2023-02-13T20:49:28Z] >SDF's login is broken because libdes is missing

[2023-02-13T20:49:30Z] VERY COOL GUYS

[2023-02-13T20:49:41Z] fdkjsahff VPS chads win again christ