[2023-01-10T02:07:50Z] <Ellowee[m]> You have to be trolling

[2023-01-10T06:59:20Z] <wael_> Hi

[2023-01-10T07:00:14Z] <testuser[m]> Hi

[2023-01-10T17:33:04Z] <wael_> rip

[2023-01-10T17:33:11Z] <wael_> bruh his name has a type

[2023-01-10T18:05:04Z] jesus christ you guys-

[2023-01-10T18:05:11Z] i'm gonna throttle whoever designed OMEMO

[2023-01-10T18:05:19Z] or people who write XMPP clients,

[2023-01-10T18:05:22Z] or something

[2023-01-10T18:05:27Z] what a mess of an ecosystem

[2023-01-10T18:07:46Z] <wael_> whats a omemo

[2023-01-10T18:07:48Z] <Ellowee[m]> federation is still a type of implied centralization c:

[2023-01-10T18:11:48Z] federation is fine

[2023-01-10T18:11:56Z] as is centralization in some circumstances

[2023-01-10T18:12:09Z] complete decentralization can result in overcomplex stacks

[2023-01-10T18:12:25Z] omemo is a form of encryption used primarily (exclusively?) by XMPP clients and servers

[2023-01-10T18:12:58Z] unfortunately, every XMPP client and server supports radically different features, so if you have a lot of contacts via XMPP that want you to use OMEMO, your options for clients are suddenly severely limited

[2023-01-10T18:13:09Z] and it's annoying because PGP is an option

[2023-01-10T18:13:11Z] but no

[2023-01-10T18:17:01Z] btw any of you ever attend a LUG?

[2023-01-10T18:21:16Z] <Ellowee[m]> LUG?

[2023-01-10T18:21:23Z] linux user group

[2023-01-10T18:21:33Z] i've wanted to try starting one in my area for a while

[2023-01-10T18:22:17Z] <Ellowee[m]> Would if I was physically near

[2023-01-10T18:24:10Z] fair enough

[2023-01-10T18:24:22Z] <wael_> would if i wasnt in the middle of nowhere

[2023-01-10T18:24:27Z] one of my things this year is to try and be more social, but the only thing I know anything about is unix and stuff, soooooooooooo

[2023-01-10T18:24:35Z] usergroup it is

[2023-01-10T18:29:51Z] <Ellowee[m]> the only kind of sane thing nowadays

[2023-01-10T18:30:29Z] HAH

[2023-01-10T18:30:31Z] as if

[2023-01-10T18:30:46Z] computing is the reason things have gone to shit lmao

[2023-01-10T18:30:54Z] letting more people access the net was a mistake

[2023-01-10T18:31:15Z] unix in particular is a mess too

[2023-01-10T18:31:18Z] but, w/e

[2023-01-10T18:34:24Z] <Ellowee[m]> Don't think computing is to blame

[2023-01-10T18:34:50Z] <Ellowee[m]> Might be an enabler, sure, but not the reason

[2023-01-10T18:35:03Z] well, the "reason" is that things have always been shit

[2023-01-10T18:35:07Z] because people are shit

[2023-01-10T18:35:16Z] but at least you used to be able to get away from most of it on the net

[2023-01-10T18:35:27Z] now, you can't get away from it on or offline

[2023-01-10T18:39:01Z] <Ellowee[m]> True

[2023-01-10T18:59:18Z] woop mid has discovered the shitshow of xmpp

[2023-01-10T18:59:24Z] what's your jid?

[2023-01-10T18:59:32Z] would you prefer pgp to omemo?

[2023-01-10T19:01:58Z] midfavila:

[2023-01-10T19:40:23Z] phoebos I've known about xmpp for a long time

[2023-01-10T19:40:38Z] i only tolerate it because someone i know from elsewhere would otherwise lose contact with me

[2023-01-10T19:40:45Z] i'm not willing to use it for anyone else, sorry

[2023-01-10T20:02:14Z] ok

[2023-01-10T20:02:28Z] did you mean you think pgp is a better option?

[2023-01-10T20:02:55Z] i'd rather pgp than omemo

[2023-01-10T20:05:28Z] in my experience, both work without too much set up

[2023-01-10T20:05:39Z] as long as both people have it set up before trying to chat

[2023-01-10T20:05:50Z] problem is that fuck-all supports omemo

[2023-01-10T20:07:03Z] https://omemo.top/

[2023-01-10T20:07:34Z] admittedly, most things use libsignal-protocol-c

[2023-01-10T20:07:45Z] also looks like most of this is android or web based

[2023-01-10T20:07:46Z] so

[2023-01-10T20:07:49Z] but that's not necessarily the same as fuck all

[2023-01-10T20:07:49Z] completely and utterly useless

[2023-01-10T20:08:16Z] > profanity, dino, gajim, poezio

[2023-01-10T20:08:27Z] etc

[2023-01-10T20:08:32Z] most

[2023-01-10T20:08:42Z] i'm aware that there are options

[2023-01-10T20:09:02Z] all these support omemo

[2023-01-10T20:09:07Z] i should have been more clear: there's nothing that supports omemo that meets my expectations. shrug

[2023-01-10T20:09:35Z] i don't need every feature under the sun, i don't want a client that's so huge I can't audit it, etc

[2023-01-10T20:09:51Z] ok. all these xmpp clients are kinda crap anyway

[2023-01-10T20:10:02Z] indeed.

[2023-01-10T20:11:36Z] it's a shame, the servers are generally quite good

[2023-01-10T20:13:22Z] maybe.

[2023-01-10T20:13:33Z] i want to avoid xmpp as much as possible

[2023-01-10T22:12:17Z] <niceguy5000[m]> what's wrong with xmpp?