[2022-08-20T00:06:51Z] i don't think that patch will make it in

[2022-08-20T00:46:11Z] noocsharp: That'd be great.

[2022-08-20T00:46:24Z] <wael[m]> noooo bash noooo linux nooo

[2022-08-20T00:46:26Z] <wael[m]> how dare you masahiro yamada

[2022-08-20T00:47:44Z] virutalmachineus: > how do we stop them

[2022-08-20T00:48:11Z] Well, a kernel fork solves it.

[2022-08-20T00:48:40Z] But it's an uphill battle.

[2022-08-20T00:52:29Z] We could fork minix and implement a linux compatability layer :)

[2022-08-20T00:54:07Z] There is also hyperbk (which is a 1-3 man fork of OpenBSD's kernel)

[2022-08-20T00:54:09Z] https://git.hyperbola.info:50100/hyperbolabsd/hyperbk.git/

[2022-08-20T01:01:43Z] ehawkvu: As I mentioned before, the main appeal of Linux is the driver stack. If one has drivers for the Openbsd kernel, I see no reason to also use the whole OS, as its userland is of uttermost quality.

[2022-08-20T01:01:59Z] And Minix is horrible.

[2022-08-20T01:02:46Z] Anyways, a lot can happen.

[2022-08-20T01:02:55Z] Will have a walk now.

[2022-08-20T01:02:58Z] See ya

[2022-08-20T01:02:59Z] I know, I'm just putting it out there - I don't seriously recommend any of those systems

[2022-08-20T03:16:47Z] <wael[m]> tar: unrecognized option '--owner=0'

[2022-08-20T03:16:49Z] <wael[m]> in kernel building

[2022-08-20T03:16:59Z] <wael[m]> apparently tar is also dependant on fuckin gnu tar as well

[2022-08-20T04:28:48Z] <wael[m]> "how dare you masahiro yamada" <- yeah how dare he!!!!

[2022-08-20T05:07:41Z] ban masahiro yamada from linux /s

[2022-08-20T05:18:04Z] <testuser[m]12> Hi

[2022-08-20T05:20:55Z] HI sir

[2022-08-20T05:21:36Z] <wael[m]> o///

[2022-08-20T05:21:38Z] <wael[m]> o/

[2022-08-20T06:53:14Z] of course, the maintainers don't care about a bash dependency but when google wants the kernel to compile with clang, portability is suddenly important

[2022-08-20T08:19:15Z] <testuser[m]12> bruh why does firefox need 18gb ram to build now even outside tmpfs

[2022-08-20T08:19:34Z] <testuser[m]12> i was able to build it fully in tmpfs last time

[2022-08-20T08:22:13Z] how much did it use last time?

[2022-08-20T08:28:13Z] <testuser[m]12> less than 16

[2022-08-20T08:29:08Z] <wael[m]> is there a method to edit MIME types in KISS? xdg-utils is a bash mess and isn't packaged but i have a program that i need to somehow add it to mime list of some sort

[2022-08-20T08:29:11Z] <wael[m]> similar to xdg

[2022-08-20T08:29:16Z] <wael[m]> -mime

[2022-08-20T13:56:17Z] is there any document about acpid (busybox) ?

[2022-08-20T13:56:33Z] s/document/&ation/

[2022-08-20T14:01:47Z] <wael[m]> probably

[2022-08-20T14:02:02Z] <wael[m]> maybe with posix man pages or alpine docs

[2022-08-20T14:03:58Z] acpid isn't posix

[2022-08-20T14:04:24Z] but you could use some of any implementation's documentation

[2022-08-20T14:04:31Z] and https://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/util-linux/acpid.c

[2022-08-20T14:04:55Z] <wael[m]> I wish busybox had bloody man pages already

[2022-08-20T14:07:43Z] tbf they are all smaller versions of existing tools, and are mostly similar in behaviour

[2022-08-20T14:07:58Z] and differences are written in comments

[2022-08-20T14:08:04Z] but it's certainly not ideal

[2022-08-20T14:08:43Z] <wael[m]> I just want to quickly pull up a man page to know the features and notes and flags among other things not look at source code

[2022-08-20T14:09:24Z] well that's what the --help flag is for

[2022-08-20T14:09:34Z] did you disable help output?

[2022-08-20T14:09:39Z] <wael[m]> usage: program

[2022-08-20T14:09:55Z] you may need to enable extended help output too

[2022-08-20T14:10:01Z] <wael[m]> where

[2022-08-20T14:10:10Z] in busybox's .config

[2022-08-20T14:10:21Z] it is enabled in repo's busybox

[2022-08-20T14:10:31Z] what program was that for though

[2022-08-20T14:10:46Z] <wael[m]> single argument apps that I got used to on gnu coreutils

[2022-08-20T14:11:08Z] <wael[m]> like the util-linux replacements in busybox

[2022-08-20T14:11:08Z] such as?

[2022-08-20T14:11:21Z] what specifically

[2022-08-20T14:11:30Z] <wael[m]> or really any program

[2022-08-20T14:11:51Z] <wael[m]> I only faced this problem with busybox ash because I wanted to look at it's specific man page

[2022-08-20T14:12:02Z] some don't have extended help, but busybox ls --help should for example

[2022-08-20T14:12:15Z] sh doesn't have that kind of documentation

[2022-08-20T14:12:25Z] <wael[m]> wouldn't --help be the same for -? or -h

[2022-08-20T14:12:37Z] use the freebsd manpage or posix

[2022-08-20T14:12:49Z] no

[2022-08-20T14:13:13Z] <wael[m]> I'll look into it

[2022-08-20T18:18:09Z] <testuser[m]12> ioraff: what are your pc specs?

[2022-08-20T18:57:29Z] 11th gen i5, 16g ram, nvme ssd

[2022-08-20T19:00:54Z] <testuser[m]12> Nice

[2022-08-20T19:01:03Z] <testuser[m]12> ioraff: do u have backtrace from chromium crash with gcc build

[2022-08-20T19:03:14Z] no. I tried building with symbols some time ago, but still couldn't get a backtrace for some reason. I'm currently trying a build with 12.2

[2022-08-20T19:04:50Z] <testuser[m]12> u can get some form of a backtrace by using the original build dir

[2022-08-20T19:05:02Z] <testuser[m]12> I got it even without setting symbol level in build config

[2022-08-20T19:05:10Z] with gdb?

[2022-08-20T19:05:17Z] <testuser[m]12> Building with symbols is impossible

[2022-08-20T19:05:18Z] <testuser[m]12> Yeah

[2022-08-20T19:06:42Z] okay. I'll try if this 12.2 build still has issues. ccache is a lifesaver for this

[2022-08-20T19:06:48Z] are you still without a computer?

[2022-08-20T19:08:28Z] <testuser[m]12> Im back

[2022-08-20T19:09:54Z] <testuser[m]12> ioraff: how does ccache work out if the old version of compiler miscompiled the object file

[2022-08-20T19:11:33Z] it rewrites the cache if a different version of a compiler is used

[2022-08-20T19:11:41Z] Is it convenient to use this distribution? Show a screenshot of the desktop.

[2022-08-20T19:13:44Z] not particularly. it's less "convenient" than say, gentoo. there is no canonical desktop for this distribution.

[2022-08-20T19:14:06Z] it's convenient only if you want or need total control over the system at every level

[2022-08-20T19:14:23Z] basically it's LFS with a package manager

[2022-08-20T19:14:44Z] <testuser[m]12> ioraff: btw did you have to add any extra patch or build flag for building with clang?

[2022-08-20T19:15:52Z] no, just the $CC check I carried over from your/kiss-xorg's build.

[2022-08-20T19:17:00Z] <testuser[m]12> nice

[2022-08-20T19:18:39Z] <testuser[m]12> Also do u have any issue with tab dragging? I forgot if it was an nvidia issue or sway issue

[2022-08-20T19:18:54Z] <testuser[m]12> Had to disable hw accel for some component to get it to work

[2022-08-20T19:19:52Z] In what fields of activity is this distribution used?

[2022-08-20T19:20:30Z] some data scientists use it

[2022-08-20T19:20:35Z] it's mostly tinkerers

[2022-08-20T19:25:38Z] ^

[2022-08-20T19:39:44Z] what data scientists use it

[2022-08-20T19:44:28Z] some fellow I haven't seen in a while

[2022-08-20T19:44:31Z] yellow or some such... idr

[2022-08-20T19:46:15Z] sbase+ubase when?

[2022-08-20T19:47:32Z] when you go do it

[2022-08-20T19:48:00Z] they're both in community

[2022-08-20T19:48:01Z] FATALITY

[2022-08-20T19:49:00Z] gotim

[2022-08-20T19:49:59Z] testuser[m]12: decided not to drop those packages?

[2022-08-20T19:50:05Z] mutt

[2022-08-20T19:50:35Z] sbase+ubase has been a thing people here daily for a while

[2022-08-20T19:50:45Z] there's at least a handful of people who do so, myself included

[2022-08-20T19:57:16Z] kiss isn't really better for science than a more mainstream distribution

[2022-08-20T19:57:39Z] binary packaging yada yada

[2022-08-20T19:58:01Z] depends on the sort of research you're doing idk

[2022-08-20T19:58:19Z] most stuff is a bunch of python modules

[2022-08-20T19:59:55Z] kiss helps control my rage since when something goes wrong i'm angry at myself not some obscure maintainers

[2022-08-20T19:59:59Z] lol

[2022-08-20T20:00:31Z] necromansy did sciencey stuff

[2022-08-20T20:24:10Z] ^

[2022-08-20T20:24:22Z] also them

[2022-08-20T20:24:39Z] KISS isn't "for" anything in particular, except to get out of your way

[2022-08-20T20:25:09Z] if you want to do "DaTa ScIeNcE", maybe use a data science focused distro. but if you just something that does what you want because you set it up that way, KISS is fine

[2022-08-20T20:25:17Z] like Nix but less esoteric

[2022-08-20T21:06:04Z] one thing is that python modules that have c/c++ have to be built from source since they don't have precompiled musl binaries

[2022-08-20T21:06:28Z] which is a giant pain and slow sometimes