[2022-06-10T04:30:58Z] <testuser[m]> Hi

[2022-06-10T06:32:05Z] hi

[2022-06-10T11:12:00Z] hi

[2022-06-10T11:20:19Z] hardware: intel i5 3330 cpu - hd2500 igpu - 8gb ram - 250gb ssd - 250w psu - alsa(speaker) - dhcpcd(wired-connection) - 4xUSB2.0 ports - VGA monitor(60hz)

[2022-06-10T11:20:19Z] 1. linux or linux-libre and which version?

[2022-06-10T11:20:20Z] 2. compiling with perl installed or patch to do not use perl

[2022-06-10T11:20:20Z] patch -p1 < /usr/share/doc/kiss/wiki/kernel/no-perl.patch

[2022-06-10T11:20:21Z] 3. can i use lz4? if i can use which package i should install because i didnt see it!

[2022-06-10T11:20:21Z] 4. do i need to install python for compiling the kernel?

[2022-06-10T11:20:22Z] 5. how can i make my kernel config that does not have M just yes or no! because i dont want to use initrd

[2022-06-10T11:20:22Z] 6. i want to use efibootmgr just wiki enough or do i need to make more things to make it working!

[2022-06-10T11:20:23Z] 7. update to firefox(there is 100!)

[2022-06-10T11:23:41Z] 8. and i had been using my computer without intel-ucode for a year so i think i dont need it or do i need?

[2022-06-10T11:37:58Z] Guest14: Selecting kernel drivers/features as modules (m) does not necessarily make you need an initrd. Only if some of those are needed during boot, such as the filesystem driver.

[2022-06-10T11:38:21Z] oh ok

[2022-06-10T11:38:25Z] another questions?

[2022-06-10T11:38:47Z] There is a lz4 package in community.

[2022-06-10T11:39:25Z] I don't use efibootmgr, so no suggestions for that.

[2022-06-10T11:39:45Z] ok for my hardware will linux-libre work good

[2022-06-10T11:39:54Z] or not

[2022-06-10T11:40:14Z] and compiling with perl or not

[2022-06-10T11:40:25Z] About intel-ucode, I think it is mostly recommended to have fixes for cpu bugs.

[2022-06-10T11:41:14Z] I've not used linux-libre.

[2022-06-10T11:41:53Z] I guess it might have fewer drivers? Just try it if you want to use it. :)

[2022-06-10T11:41:53Z] ok what about perl and python

[2022-06-10T11:43:00Z] I use the no-perl patch, but this I think is more of a personal choice if you want to use it or not.

[2022-06-10T11:43:12Z] Firefox depend on perl and python, by the way

[2022-06-10T11:43:55Z] no i know that

[2022-06-10T11:44:04Z] i mean when compiling kernel

[2022-06-10T11:44:39Z] will be good  perl installed on system if i want to compile kernel

[2022-06-10T11:44:57Z] I'm not sure if I've ever compiled a kernel while not having python installed.

[2022-06-10T11:45:03Z] and do i need python when compiling because there is a video on youtube installing kisslinux

[2022-06-10T11:45:13Z] oh ok thanks and

[2022-06-10T11:45:31Z] lz4 is on community repo right

[2022-06-10T11:45:58Z] but where is what is name of it

[2022-06-10T11:47:57Z] https://github.com/kiss-community/community/tree/main/community/lz4

[2022-06-10T11:48:05Z] This, right?

[2022-06-10T11:48:14Z] oh man thanks

[2022-06-10T11:48:54Z] oh btw is there a problem with compiling rust?

[2022-06-10T11:48:57Z] or rust code

[2022-06-10T11:49:58Z] I haven't updated rust/firefox in a long time.

[2022-06-10T11:50:23Z] how can i merge these repos and make my own

[2022-06-10T11:50:47Z] can i fork 2 of theme and merge?

[2022-06-10T11:51:03Z] A local kiss repo you mean?

[2022-06-10T11:51:10Z] yes

[2022-06-10T11:51:31Z] and are you using openssl or libressl

[2022-06-10T11:51:48Z] It's as simple as having a directory on your system with the packages in it, and adding it to KISS_PATH

[2022-06-10T11:52:00Z] no i mean

[2022-06-10T11:52:40Z] i want to make my own github repo and add these

[2022-06-10T11:52:40Z] https://github.com/kiss-community/repo

[2022-06-10T11:52:41Z] https://github.com/kiss-community/community

[2022-06-10T11:52:41Z] after that delete some of packages in there and publish to my github

[2022-06-10T11:52:49Z] I'm using openssl.

[2022-06-10T11:56:19Z] Ah, right. I don't use github in that regard.

[2022-06-10T11:57:00Z] I don't know how you can merge multiple forked repo's there.

[2022-06-10T12:20:15Z] idk too

[2022-06-10T12:32:36Z] Guest14: there's no need to publish duplicated packages

[2022-06-10T12:32:57Z] you could use submodules if you want

[2022-06-10T12:33:16Z] i just want to install only lz4 and base repo

[2022-06-10T12:33:27Z] can i

[2022-06-10T12:34:30Z] sure, you can have anything you want and nothing else

[2022-06-10T12:35:14Z] no i mean how can i do that

[2022-06-10T12:35:21Z] Hi, are there some regular users here which run kiss with a rather large additional package list (I estimate that I would need to configure, install and maintain hundreds of additional packages)? If so, how much time do you invest to maintain all these packages, i.e. keep them current? I would have no problem investing the initial time to set

[2022-06-10T12:35:21Z] everything up but am afraid that I would not have the time to monitor all upstream sources for updates and adjust the packages manually, fix dependency problems etc.

[2022-06-10T12:35:59Z] Guest14: I don't really understand what question you're asking

[2022-06-10T12:36:41Z] i mean how can i JUST install lz4 from community repo

[2022-06-10T12:37:14Z] herrsimon: some packages are more annoying to set up, but once you've written the build script updates are usually trivial

[2022-06-10T12:37:48Z] I subscribe to atom feeds for releases and use the kiss-outdated script every so often

[2022-06-10T12:38:24Z] Guest14: clone community, add it to KISS_PATH, kiss b lz4

[2022-06-10T12:38:50Z] hmm i  just dont want all community but ok thanks

[2022-06-10T12:39:55Z] I agree that most updates should be trivial, but even trivial changes such as bumping a version number takes time and not everything can be automated. To get a bit more specific: Do you think investing an hour once a month suffices?

[2022-06-10T12:40:34Z] Guest14: If you just want lz4, you could just clone that package.

[2022-06-10T12:44:20Z] herrsimon: to update one average sized package (including making sure it builds) probably takes like 2 minutes

[2022-06-10T12:46:12Z] but I don't set aside one hour specifically to do updates

[2022-06-10T12:46:58Z] give it a try, and if you don't like it that's ok

[2022-06-10T12:52:19Z] Alright, so interpolating to a few hundred packages that sounds more like half a day for an update session. Simply giving it a try is not possible in my case as just to set everything up requires considerable effort in my case. I will have to think about it, absolutely love the simplicity but it might just be too much of a regular time investment

[2022-06-10T12:52:19Z] for me. In any case, thanks a lot for the information!

[2022-06-10T13:32:11Z] herrsimon: For simple packages just bumping the version and building is usually enough.

[2022-06-10T14:39:40Z] I personally automate most stuff with scripts, so updating a bunch of packages usually takes less than 10 minutes

[2022-06-10T14:52:48Z] herrsimon: you're not gonna have 100 packages all with updates every week

[2022-06-10T14:53:13Z] especially if you use the community repos

[2022-06-10T15:26:03Z] phoebos: I did not read the webpage properly and didn't know about the community repos (and the nice wiki). Also, I just found out that much work has already been done (in particular by illiliti, hopefully I spelled it correctly) to solve common problems such as removing needless udev or dbus dependencies from core components. So I'll take the

[2022-06-10T15:26:04Z] plunge this weekend on a spare computer and see how it goes. As many things will be a first timer for me (most prominently compiling a custom kernel, using s6 for init/service supervision, trying to ditch dbus, switching from x11 to wayland and going through countless personal scripts to check if they depend on anything they shouldn't), I guess

[2022-06-10T15:26:04Z] that it will take some weeks until I can switch to kiss on my work machine, but just thinking about this liberating moment already gives me goosebumps! I'll report back here, thanks again!