[2022-03-16T00:05:11Z] acheam: what of ddevault's did you contribute to out of curiosity?

[2022-03-16T00:09:05Z] no major contributions

[2022-03-16T00:09:22Z] its been mostly typo fixes and documentation updates on various projects

[2022-03-16T00:11:06Z] i'm trying to figure out how exactly my name got skipped

[2022-03-16T00:11:41Z] if i were him, i would use git shortlog to generate a list of names, but there are other sway contributors beside myself missing, so he probably didn't use that

[2022-03-16T00:12:17Z] including somebody named "Some Chinese Guy"

[2022-03-16T00:12:38Z] maybe he just forgot to include sway?

[2022-03-16T00:12:54Z] or only did sr.ht projects

[2022-03-16T00:13:15Z] other sway contributors made it

[2022-03-16T00:13:32Z] they could have also contributed to other projects

[2022-03-16T00:13:43Z] there is a lot of overlap in developers and projects

[2022-03-16T00:14:25Z] but a bunch of people on the list are one-off sway contributors

[2022-03-16T00:14:39Z] people's github usernames

[2022-03-16T00:15:22Z] /shrug

[2022-03-16T00:15:55Z] /shrug indeed

[2022-03-16T00:40:08Z] obviously he's trying to silence and cancel you

[2022-03-16T00:40:16Z] we should be outraged as a community and cancel him back in retaliation

[2022-03-16T00:40:22Z] he's had it too good for too long shakes fist

[2022-03-16T00:55:53Z] brb gonna revert all my sway commits

[2022-03-16T00:57:10Z] call stallman

[2022-03-16T00:57:14Z] he'll get this whole thing sorted

[2022-03-16T02:01:21Z] <testuser[m]> Hi

[2022-03-16T13:50:16Z] https://lwn.net/Articles/887970/

[2022-03-16T13:50:57Z] <testuser[m]> bruh

[2022-03-16T13:51:00Z] <testuser[m]> bruh

[2022-03-16T13:51:27Z] breh

[2022-03-16T14:45:13Z] https://github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire/commit/626ce1fab19544e16e6ad8c98f29e335428d2b46 :rage:

[2022-03-16T14:45:18Z] guess I have to start using sway:)

[2022-03-16T15:02:10Z] <testuser[m]> Vro just revert

[2022-03-16T15:33:32Z] syspatch(8) is nice

[2022-03-16T15:35:55Z] testuser[m]: libtls 3.5.1 also

[2022-03-16T15:36:27Z] oh june hasn't merged it yet :p

[2022-03-16T15:36:56Z] <testuser[m]> Bruh

[2022-03-16T15:43:48Z] vro I don't wanna maintain a diverging tree

[2022-03-16T15:44:02Z] maybe I should just install ubuntu :c

[2022-03-16T15:45:18Z] <testuser[m]> ~~install rhel~~

[2022-03-16T15:47:31Z] kekw

[2022-03-16T16:15:28Z] they assumed the modulus is prime in code that find a square root mod p, but they never verify that p is prime

[2022-03-16T16:16:02Z] in the open/libressl vuln

[2022-03-16T16:19:33Z] sup nerds

[2022-03-16T16:19:49Z] <testuser[m]> Hi

[2022-03-16T16:26:02Z] that's a pretty big mistake ain't it laughs in mathematician

[2022-03-16T16:26:38Z] big mistake was choosing to study set theory before arithmetic

[2022-03-16T16:27:08Z] <testuser[m]> dilyn: bruh snap is GPL

[2022-03-16T16:27:12Z] wait I'm probably missing context for this

[2022-03-16T16:27:13Z] hmm

[2022-03-16T16:28:14Z] set theory is the foundation of arithmetic logically but will be lacking fundamentally at a certain point

[2022-03-16T16:28:51Z] yeah obvs. rip wrt: the git contributor situation noocsharp

[2022-03-16T16:29:01Z] depends on the sort of axioms your set theory is giving you. if it's just a basic & rudimentary set theory, it won't be supremely applicable to other topics (though the 'intuition' will make more trivial problems easier to think about)

[2022-03-16T16:29:21Z] testuser: i know:'(

[2022-03-16T16:29:51Z] haven't actually picked up the texts on set theory I bought actually. read the first chapter of one, didn't understand 90% of the notation they were using and figured I should study logic first, so still doing that

[2022-03-16T16:30:03Z] got some scheme books the other day so I'm doing that at the same time. the little schemer is a fun read

[2022-03-16T16:33:59Z] ...used "actually" twice in the same sentence... fuck, I need to read what I write :v

[2022-03-16T16:37:12Z] my favorite part about set theory is when all these geniuses realized they fucked up and they all desperately tried to fix it

[2022-03-16T16:37:24Z] wrote a twenty page proof that 2+2=4 and it still didn't fix it

[2022-03-16T16:37:24Z] you mean the incompleteness theorem, right?

[2022-03-16T16:37:28Z] f

[2022-03-16T16:37:57Z] Godel's work is a more general description of that specific problem so in a way yes

[2022-03-16T16:54:54Z] midfavila https://github.com/phillbush/paginator in use: https://i.redd.it/c094nf61kkn81.png

[2022-03-16T16:55:42Z] ah, yeah, the shod guy

[2022-03-16T16:55:59Z] he's a pretty good programmer - wish I knew enough C to understand his work more

[2022-03-16T16:56:10Z] wait are you pro-EWMH or against-EWMH? i always forget

[2022-03-16T16:56:19Z] pro-standards

[2022-03-16T16:56:23Z] not pro-EWMH specifically

[2022-03-16T16:57:15Z] so like, standards are a good thing, but ideally those standards wouldn't be shit - last I looked at the I3CM and EWMH, they seemed... less than ideal

[2022-03-16T16:57:18Z] acheam: sotd suggestion -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUyyHYkBHk

[2022-03-16T16:57:26Z] >youtube

[2022-03-16T16:57:31Z] memetube

[2022-03-16T16:57:47Z] <testuser[m]> ewwtube

[2022-03-16T16:57:54Z] :v

[2022-03-16T16:58:15Z] anyway yeah paginator is nifty as a concept but I think it's non-ideal

[2022-03-16T16:58:23Z] it's not composable ala command-line tools

[2022-03-16T16:59:03Z] i'd probably make a generic "button bar" or "viewport" program designed for scriptability and then have it trigger commands on events

[2022-03-16T16:59:13Z] which could then be passed to a program that manages workspaces

[2022-03-16T17:03:27Z] you could always write your own tool as a way of learning c and x11

[2022-03-16T17:03:39Z] it's on the list :p

[2022-03-16T17:03:53Z] I've been writing down ideas for programs for a few months now

[2022-03-16T17:03:54Z] <testuser[m]> Soon

[2022-03-16T17:03:57Z] soon:tm:

[2022-03-16T17:04:03Z] right now I'm focused wholly on lisp

[2022-03-16T17:04:20Z] <testuser[m]> What about ur math stuff

[2022-03-16T17:04:26Z] try feeding those ideas into github copilot and see what it comes up with

[2022-03-16T17:04:34Z] i mean in regards to CS/programming, maths is concurrent

[2022-03-16T17:05:12Z] so rn I have three "sections" to my day - four hours for "generic" studies, anything that doesn't fit into the other two, and then I alternate between four hours of CS and two of math, or two of CS and four of math

[2022-03-16T17:06:24Z] also re: copilot maybe if I decide to a) be a microshill and b) get stuck on a problem

[2022-03-16T17:06:36Z] but I really want to try and come up with ideas on my own

[2022-03-16T17:08:06Z] <testuser[m]> noocsharp: is poopilot usable for everyone now? U had to sign up for some preview thing on shithub

[2022-03-16T17:09:03Z] idk, i was joking

[2022-03-16T17:09:16Z] oh, rip

[2022-03-16T17:12:54Z] to be completely transparent, i had read it as "pager" initially and thought of you, then when i noticed it was "paginator" i figured it'd still be interesting since it was a new tool against X11

[2022-03-16T17:13:15Z] np, it's neat regardless

[2022-03-16T17:14:15Z] thinking of forking/based my own window manager on glazier since it's small and well-written, gonna include some more sophisticated features in it

[2022-03-16T17:14:21Z] such as: iconification

[2022-03-16T17:14:32Z] not giving X windows invalid geometry

[2022-03-16T17:14:34Z] sounds like bloat

[2022-03-16T17:14:48Z] a better way of handling resize controls than stealing control of the root window

[2022-03-16T17:14:49Z] and so on

[2022-03-16T17:44:15Z] I still can't wrap my head around writing wayland clients for some reason

[2022-03-16T17:44:28Z] Like writing an X program is ez

[2022-03-16T17:44:44Z] (A basic X program, that is)

[2022-03-16T17:50:17Z] i'm the opposite, lol

[2022-03-16T17:50:32Z] wayland clients are easy to understand, i never could wrap my head around x11

[2022-03-16T17:50:48Z] lol, really?

[2022-03-16T17:51:15Z] well i guess i probably could if i tried, but i have no reason to anymore since i'm wayland for everything

[2022-03-16T17:51:34Z] yeah, that's the thing I no longer use X11 either

[2022-03-16T17:51:42Z] i patched some suckless x11 programs, but i never paid attention to the x stuff

[2022-03-16T17:51:56Z] I have all this useless X11 information and no wayland knowledge

[2022-03-16T17:52:08Z] still useful on the BSDs :p

[2022-03-16T17:52:17Z] and minix... and any non-linux unix

[2022-03-16T17:52:19Z] and xwayland!

[2022-03-16T17:52:23Z] have you looked at the wayland book cem?

[2022-03-16T17:53:01Z] it has a good high level overview of how wayland is designed

[2022-03-16T17:53:05Z] Yeah, I don't use non-linux UNIX anymore

[2022-03-16T17:53:13Z] https://wayland-book.com/

[2022-03-16T17:53:24Z] noocsharp: Ah no I actually never saw that

[2022-03-16T17:53:28Z] Thanks!

[2022-03-16T17:54:15Z] i think that's where i learned how wayland works

[2022-03-16T17:55:00Z] I previously read some resources, and examples, but I remember that they made me much more confused

[2022-03-16T17:56:51Z] yeah, i remember it took a bit of effort to understand what was going on

[2022-03-16T17:57:30Z] but once you wrap your head around it it's pretty simple

[2022-03-16T17:58:03Z] i see!

[2022-03-16T17:58:15Z] most of wayland programming is just binding to different interfaces and registering callback structs for them

[2022-03-16T17:59:44Z] i'll plug my clipboard utility again, since it's a pretty simple example of a client

[2022-03-16T17:59:46Z] https://github.com/noocsharp/wayclip

[2022-03-16T17:59:53Z] Yeah, I always kind of gave up and wrote a GTK program instead :^)

[2022-03-16T18:00:16Z] Oh nice! I should check it out

[2022-03-16T18:01:37Z] I very vaguely recall you had a problem with wl-clip, what was it?

[2022-03-16T18:01:37Z] I've switched to it

[2022-03-16T18:01:40Z] it's pretty tight

[2022-03-16T18:02:06Z] cem: crappy code

[2022-03-16T18:02:15Z] dilyn: nice, lmk if you run into any problems

[2022-03-16T18:02:31Z] ofc

[2022-03-16T18:02:55Z] Okay, yeah I see

[2022-03-16T18:03:05Z] and the maintainer is too busy invading ukraine rn

[2022-03-16T18:04:23Z] :X

[2022-03-16T18:04:25Z] Ohh

[2022-03-16T19:29:47Z] https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-first-risc-v-portable-computer

[2022-03-16T19:30:12Z] interesting look to it

[2022-03-16T19:36:53Z] of course lunduke would be all over this lol

[2022-03-16T19:50:09Z] risc kiss when

[2022-03-16T19:50:36Z] glasnost is a thing already

[2022-03-16T19:50:41Z] so i guess... rn lol

[2022-03-16T19:51:13Z] Huh.

[2022-03-16T19:51:32Z] i'll have to look into whether or not the rest of that thing's hardware is open

[2022-03-16T19:51:38Z] if it is I might just get it to replace my phone

[2022-03-16T19:52:20Z] can't really see myself using emacs on it but for basic stuff it should be fine.

[2022-03-16T20:18:14Z] https://www.clockworkpi.com/devterm here's the mainboard for it

[2022-03-16T20:19:09Z] >USB-C

[2022-03-16T20:19:09Z] blegh

[2022-03-16T20:19:20Z] looks like everything is GPLv3 though, based

[2022-03-16T21:16:23Z] ehawkvu[m]: you may not have realised but your connection is... dodgy

[2022-03-16T21:21:37Z] <ehawkvu[m]> phoebos: I'm on 3g so that might be it

[2022-03-16T21:49:07Z] stupid question... how apply patch -p1 < file in kiss b ?

[2022-03-16T21:52:21Z] ax: You edit the build file, possibly forking the package first.

[2022-03-16T21:53:11Z] i have patch -p1 > file in build file

[2022-03-16T21:53:54Z] /home/ax/ax-kiss/build: line 3: can't open al-8.2.diff: no such file

[2022-03-16T21:54:15Z] list it in the sources file

[2022-03-16T21:54:21Z] patches/al-8.2.diff

[2022-03-16T21:56:20Z] ok. thanks dilyn ... I've been missing for some time .. and the most obvious thing escaped me.

[2022-03-16T22:15:21Z] someone solved issue on init base and musl

[2022-03-16T22:15:23Z] ~ $ last

[2022-03-16T22:15:25Z] last: can't open '/ dev / null / wtmp': Not a directory

[2022-03-16T22:16:03Z] i compiled utmps but init base does not solve the problem

[2022-03-16T22:18:10Z] $ utmps-wtmpd

[2022-03-16T22:18:12Z] utmps-wtmpd: fatal: unable to get $IPCREMOTEEUID from environment

[2022-03-16T22:49:56Z] <illiliti_> dilyn: testuser[m]: it seems that --single-process fixes crash

[2022-03-16T22:54:53Z] :thinking:

[2022-03-16T23:01:12Z] <illiliti_> could someone build chromium with debug symbols for me?

[2022-03-16T23:01:20Z] <illiliti_> personally, i can't because my calculator will blow up if i try

[2022-03-16T23:06:58Z] something something be sure to build execinfo

[2022-03-16T23:16:31Z] * midfavila dies

[2022-03-16T23:16:45Z] i've written and debugged like 600 lines of elisp today, bluh

[2022-03-16T23:28:40Z] > 600 lines of elisp

[2022-03-16T23:28:44Z] there's your problem

[2022-03-16T23:29:26Z] thanks for pointing that out - w-

[2022-03-16T23:29:47Z] more that I use emacs the more elisp's syntax bugs me

[2022-03-16T23:30:03Z] it's like someone took the worst of scheme and common lisp and mashed them together with teco :thinking: