[2022-01-17T00:07:43Z] when you try out a different layout, do you switch your keycaps or get a new keyboard or just use what you've already got and try to remember where everything goes

[2022-01-17T00:11:26Z] Heh, when I first started on dvorak, I switched around all the keycaps manually, except it was originally contoured, so all the keys had wrong angles.

[2022-01-17T00:30:09Z] probably should have gotten a new keyboard

[2022-01-17T00:38:24Z] I didnt switch caps for the profin rnason bibliocar mentioned. I usually use blank caps anyways. I do have a picture of the layout pinned on my deshtop though

[2022-01-17T00:39:02Z] man that toook forever to write

[2022-01-17T00:39:17Z] a picture is a good idea

[2022-01-17T00:45:10Z] <op_4> acheam you should try mod-dh!

[2022-01-17T00:45:50Z] <op_4> the positions of d and h are really not great in the default layout

[2022-01-17T00:49:52Z] already using it!

[2022-01-17T00:50:16Z] <op_4> nice :[

[2022-01-17T00:50:21Z] <op_4> * :D

[2022-01-17T00:50:27Z] :)

[2022-01-17T00:59:58Z] <op_4> has anyone here wrangled the kiss-tex repository?

[2022-01-17T02:09:32Z] phoebos: turns out to get isync to with with libtls, you just need to use mpop instead

[2022-01-17T02:22:00Z] lol

[2022-01-17T02:22:09Z] is that from the same guy as msmtp

[2022-01-17T02:26:08Z] does anyone still adtually use pop?

[2022-01-17T02:40:13Z] me

[2022-01-17T02:40:50Z] it works fine if you don't really touch remote email

[2022-01-17T02:40:58Z] just pull it to work with it locally

[2022-01-17T02:41:54Z] why not imap that you just sync and work offline with?

[2022-01-17T02:44:26Z] there's no advantage to doing that the way i use email, and pop is a much simpler protocol

[2022-01-17T02:45:00Z] to be clear, i've used imap for a long time

[2022-01-17T02:51:43Z] nice

[2022-01-17T02:53:22Z] do you deiete from server? and how do you handle multiple devices?

[2022-01-17T03:01:47Z] on some accounts i delete from server, and i only check email from my laptop

[2022-01-17T03:08:59Z] <testuser[m]> Hi

[2022-01-17T03:10:25Z] hl

[2022-01-17T03:11:03Z] <op_4> noocsharp what's your preffered programme for doing this? I'm currently reimagining my email setup

[2022-01-17T03:12:38Z] for pulling email i now use mpop

[2022-01-17T03:13:11Z] <op_4> cool, thanks

[2022-01-17T03:14:22Z] <op_4> hmm, my search engine of choice doesn't generate anything useful. You wouldn't happen to have a link handy?

[2022-01-17T03:15:00Z] https://marlam.de/mpop

[2022-01-17T03:15:19Z] packaged for kiss here: https://github.com/noocsharp/kiss-nihal/tree/master/mpop

[2022-01-17T03:15:42Z] <op_4> ah brilliant, thanks

[2022-01-17T03:15:53Z] op_4: what search engone?

[2022-01-17T03:16:18Z] <op_4> acheam ddg, searched ``mpop email'' and found nothing useful on first two pages

[2022-01-17T03:28:27Z] <op_4> noocsharp great that was fun and easy to setup

[2022-01-17T03:29:27Z] <op_4> thanks

[2022-01-17T03:35:09Z] <op_4> noocsharp any interest in putting this in kiss-community?

[2022-01-17T03:35:16Z] <op_4> i see msmtp is there already

[2022-01-17T03:57:25Z] sure, now that i know it's more than me that uses it

[2022-01-17T04:07:40Z] <op_4> \o/

[2022-01-17T06:07:39Z] <testuser[m]> https://gustedt.gitlabpages.inria.fr/defer/

[2022-01-17T13:43:07Z] * Acid-Bong uploaded an image: < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/alcfFsgaiwGUtLVLqsqUgKNE/pizg%202.6%20error.png >

[2022-01-17T13:43:26Z] in browser there's error 404 for pigz v2.6

[2022-01-17T13:43:48Z] should i open an issue on kisslinux/repo?

[2022-01-17T13:44:42Z] <testuser[m]> kiss fork pigz; cd pigz; echo "2.7 1" > version; kiss b

[2022-01-17T13:44:50Z] <testuser[m]> old tarball was deleted

[2022-01-17T13:44:54Z] <testuser[m]> yeah u can make an issue t

[2022-01-17T13:44:59Z] <testuser[m]> but dylan is gone for now

[2022-01-17T13:45:32Z] isn't Dilyn the boss now?

[2022-01-17T13:45:35Z] <testuser[m]> no

[2022-01-17T13:52:05Z] <testuser[m]> "kiss fork pigz; cd pigz; echo "2..." <- should it be kiss-fork?

[2022-01-17T13:52:19Z] <testuser[m]> any thing

[2022-01-17T13:57:23Z] ta, mate, it worked

[2022-01-17T13:57:55Z] <testuser[m]> nice

[2022-01-17T14:02:47Z] and then kiss b *[!pigz], i suppose?

[2022-01-17T14:03:08Z] <testuser[m]> no just kiss b in that directory

[2022-01-17T14:03:11Z] <testuser[m]> no more arguments

[2022-01-17T14:03:19Z] <testuser[m]> and kiss c too, to generate checksums for the new tarball

[2022-01-17T14:03:57Z] i forked pigz in a separate folder

[2022-01-17T14:04:05Z] <testuser[m]> yea just cd into that and type kiss b

[2022-01-17T14:04:08Z] <testuser[m]> cuz its not in ur kiss path

[2022-01-17T14:05:01Z] i mean, i'm on the step where i need to rebuild all the packages

[2022-01-17T14:05:16Z] <testuser[m]> thats optional

[2022-01-17T14:05:28Z] and do kiss b within kiss/install

[2022-01-17T14:06:10Z] <testuser[m]> that one uses a glob

[2022-01-17T14:06:14Z] <testuser[m]> > cd /var/db/kiss/installed && kiss build *

[2022-01-17T14:06:41Z] <testuser[m]> u just cd into /tmp or whatever and fork pigz there then cd to /tmp/pigz and type kiss b

[2022-01-17T14:06:50Z] <testuser[m]> kiss b without arguments means build the package in the current directory

[2022-01-17T14:08:10Z] <testuser[m]> u want to do this to make kiss use your forked package and not the one in your repos

[2022-01-17T14:08:13Z] and i did that, althoug in /var/db/kiss/forks

[2022-01-17T14:08:19Z] <testuser[m]> so its fine

[2022-01-17T14:13:52Z] damn, i like Kiss Linux

[2022-01-17T14:14:21Z] if Arch is a Lego kit, Kiss is a Lego factory you have to build first

[2022-01-17T14:18:51Z] btw, since 2.6 is still in the repos, won't kiss u replace 2.7 with it?

[2022-01-17T14:18:58Z] <testuser[m]> yeah

[2022-01-17T14:19:08Z] <testuser[m]> u can add ur forks repo before main repo in kiss path

[2022-01-17T14:19:19Z] <testuser[m]> export KISS_PATH=/var/db/kiss/forks:/home/user/bla/repo

[2022-01-17T14:22:21Z] btw, since I'm still in chroot and running as root, can i then just copy or move cloned repos in $HOME/kiss after install? (and set it accordingly in my user's $KISS_PATH, ofc)

[2022-01-17T14:23:04Z] <testuser[m]> yea

[2022-01-17T14:23:08Z] <testuser[m]> and chown them

[2022-01-17T15:31:31Z] does it matter how old a Kiss tarball is (apart from how many packages became obsolete and have to be downloaded and installed)?

[2022-01-17T15:41:47Z] <testuser[m]> No

[2022-01-17T16:22:35Z] if kiss i is run as user (from $HOME based repos, ofc), where is the package gonna be installed?

[2022-01-17T16:36:03Z] globally

[2022-01-17T16:45:26Z] so i still need sudo/doas for this, right?

[2022-01-17T16:50:02Z] <testuser[m]> Yea

[2022-01-17T16:54:46Z] <op_4> so how do i fix kiss (the package manager) so that it works with my umask? My user has umask 077, but this means that whenever i build/install something the permissions are just that, root rw(x) and nothing else.

[2022-01-17T16:55:04Z] <op_4> I feel i should be able to judiciously drop umask 022 somewhere in /usr/bin/kiss but i'm not sure where

[2022-01-17T18:48:48Z] Hi. Does anyone know an alternative to https://github.com/terryma/vim-expand-region for vis?

[2022-01-17T19:03:17Z] for wifi to work do i need only wpa_supplicant or is dhcpcd also required? and if i'm using eiwd+openresolv, are those enough and is dhcpcd required with them?

[2022-01-17T19:04:07Z] openresolv takes the place of dhcpcd with eiwd

[2022-01-17T19:04:29Z] you need some way to get an IP address from the access point, so you will always need dhcpcd (or openresolv)

[2022-01-17T19:07:43Z] ah, so openresolv is also a manager

[2022-01-17T19:14:26Z] does it not have a service tho?

[2022-01-17T19:14:50Z] it does

[2022-01-17T19:14:56Z] it's installed to /etc/sv/dhcpcd

[2022-01-17T19:16:13Z] to enable a service to ln -s /etc/sv/dhcpcd /var/service, and then you can start/stop/etc it with sv up dhcpcd

[2022-01-17T19:16:17Z] assuming you're using busybox

[2022-01-17T19:19:03Z] i mean, openresolv

[2022-01-17T19:19:32Z] oh, no i don't think so; i'm pretty sure eiwd just calls it directly

[2022-01-17T19:39:44Z] When i'm booting Arch ISO not in VM and i need to connect to wifi, iwd doesn't work. Instead i'm running # wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan0 -c <(wpa_passphrase "SSID" "PASSWORD").

[2022-01-17T19:39:44Z] Does the latter work the same way on Kiss? (considering dhcpcd and wpa_supplicant services are enabled and running)

[2022-01-17T19:40:49Z] the wpa_supplicant service just reads from a configuration file; if you want to just use your command (which works just fine), you'd want to disable the wpa_supplicant service

[2022-01-17T19:42:44Z] iirc on Arch ISO wpa_supplicant service is running

[2022-01-17T19:43:10Z] maybe it's systemd who works different

[2022-01-17T19:43:53Z] I assume the systemd unit file doesn't perpetually try to bring up wpa_supplicant, but the service would just constantly exit and get reexeced here

[2022-01-17T19:46:38Z] > disable the wpa_supplicant service

[2022-01-17T19:46:38Z] > and then enable/start it after i'm connected, right?

[2022-01-17T19:47:05Z] no, because the -B just forks wpa_supplicant to the background so it will stay running

[2022-01-17T19:47:05Z] s/>//

[2022-01-17T19:47:22Z] the only issue with not having it be run as a service is that if wpa_supplicant crashes it won't restart, you'll have to rerun the command

[2022-01-17T19:47:50Z] you could add your own service that runs your command if you'd like, instead of using the service bundled with the wpa_supplicant package

[2022-01-17T19:49:11Z] doesn't the command save the credentials? or is it only for a running instance?

[2022-01-17T19:54:12Z] or can i just run wpa_cli and call it a day?

[2022-01-17T19:54:30Z] I don't think those credentials get saved anywhere except in your shell history file

[2022-01-17T19:54:44Z] wpa_cli is just a cli interface to do what you're doing in that one-shot command

[2022-01-17T19:55:07Z] if you want to save the credentials you can use wpa_passphrase to output the info into a file /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and then just make use of the service

[2022-01-17T20:01:49Z] should it be # wpa_passphrase SSID PASSWORD >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf?

[2022-01-17T20:22:30Z] I believe so