[2021-06-11T00:06:41Z] acheam delivers a browser in a few short hours lol

[2021-06-11T00:07:10Z] Just reading through the README now

[2021-06-11T00:07:56Z] lol its just a modified version of someone elses webkit frontent

[2021-06-11T00:08:24Z] if you include webkit source code, i've written like 0.001% of the browser

[2021-06-11T00:11:52Z] so is it chorizo after the things from metroid, or chorizo as in the sausage

[2021-06-11T00:14:32Z] the sausage

[2021-06-11T00:14:38Z] but you should ask riteo, it was his idea

[2021-06-11T00:21:06Z] chorizo is delicious

[2021-06-11T00:21:32Z] i used to work at this fast food joint that sold it. used to take home whatever we didn't sell and make lunch for myself with it

[2021-06-11T00:21:38Z] only perk of working at that place.

[2021-06-11T00:22:42Z] yum

[2021-06-11T00:22:57Z] yeah.

[2021-06-11T01:29:13Z] does anyone know of a c compiler written in assembly?

[2021-06-11T01:34:08Z] x86 assembly?

[2021-06-11T01:34:14Z] what are you trying to do?

[2021-06-11T01:36:25Z] to truly bootstrap c, you need an assembler written in machine code, and a compiler and linker written in assembly

[2021-06-11T01:36:29Z] i was just wondering if that existed

[2021-06-11T01:40:45Z] also i wonder how many times c has actually been boostrapped like that...

[2021-06-11T01:41:01Z] considering trusting trust's impact,

[2021-06-11T01:41:03Z] probably not many

[2021-06-11T01:41:22Z] but i'm a complete dumbass so I don't actually know

[2021-06-11T01:42:30Z] it's entirely possible that it's only ever been bootstrapped once

[2021-06-11T01:42:49Z] i mean, fwiw,

[2021-06-11T01:42:58Z] if I was writing a compiler for a brand new language in raw machine code,

[2021-06-11T01:43:07Z] i'd implement a subset first

[2021-06-11T01:43:13Z] and then work my way up from there

[2021-06-11T01:43:17Z] i mean c wasn't written in assembly

[2021-06-11T01:43:20Z] it was written in bcpl

[2021-06-11T01:43:24Z] i was gonna say

[2021-06-11T01:43:30Z] either B or BCPL

[2021-06-11T01:44:16Z] i wonder what the tree of language bootstrapping looks like

[2021-06-11T02:01:07Z] Mostly POSIX shell scripts

[2021-06-11T02:30:41Z] plot twist, every language arose from the primordial soup of sh

[2021-06-11T02:30:44Z] even C

[2021-06-11T02:39:51Z] When packaging software which requires that a specific user be present, should i create it during installation, or show a message to the user about having to create it?

[2021-06-11T02:40:38Z] you could always add a prompt

[2021-06-11T02:40:58Z] be like "Hey we have to create $user for the package, is that okay? [Y/n]"

[2021-06-11T02:41:30Z] yeah you're going to be looking for a long historical chain of compilers on that one

[2021-06-11T02:42:44Z] That looks like the best solution, thanks midfavila-laptop

[2021-06-11T02:42:49Z] np

[2021-06-11T02:42:57Z] i've thought about the best way to approach that myself

[2021-06-11T02:43:37Z] there isn't technically a 'best' way on KISS; most packages simply have a post-install saying 'hey create this user'

[2021-06-11T02:43:43Z] my packages actually do it

[2021-06-11T02:43:53Z] it might be the case of a package requiring a user be present to build

[2021-06-11T02:43:54Z] I don't think there's a specification for it

[2021-06-11T02:44:02Z] i've run into programs that refuse to build without a certain user being present

[2021-06-11T02:44:11Z] it's not common, but it does happen

[2021-06-11T02:44:13Z] ^ yes that requires a mess more involvement

[2021-06-11T02:44:27Z] s'long as the user knows what's going on, I say it's fine

[2021-06-11T02:44:28Z] if your package is more like opennptd you can do it like that package does

[2021-06-11T02:44:38Z] but fwiw my suggestion remains to ask the user

[2021-06-11T02:45:26Z] if you have good reason to suspect the user wants such users and groups to be implemented in a different way (i.e., a specific home directory, or maybe they want it to be able to login), you'd have to specify user intervention

[2021-06-11T02:46:16Z] It is a good point, requiring user input to build is really bad, especially if user started a build of multiple big packages and left the system unattended

[2021-06-11T02:46:50Z] * midfavila-laptop shrugs

[2021-06-11T02:47:11Z] obviously it's not ideal. ultimately as long as the user is informed...

[2021-06-11T02:47:17Z] yeah, making pkg building as interventionless as possible is good; it's part of why (i'd assume, at least) dylan made post-install's print at the end of kiss b foo bar in addition to after each foo, bar

[2021-06-11T02:47:27Z] indeed

[2021-06-11T02:48:29Z] https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=HVzC6WZImGY acheam sotd suggestion

[2021-06-11T02:48:39Z] if any of you haven't played cave story yet you should

[2021-06-11T03:29:04Z] midfavila-laptop: I find it really funny when people say "thanks midfavila-laptop" because then it sounds like they're thanking your laptop

[2021-06-11T03:29:08Z] you should /nick midfavilas_laptop for the extra effect

[2021-06-11T03:33:44Z] lmao

[2021-06-11T07:07:29Z] Dylan seems to be active on github again!

[2021-06-11T07:10:38Z] OMG

[2021-06-11T07:12:35Z] i hope he'll back to us

[2021-06-11T07:13:01Z] we all miss him so much

[2021-06-11T08:18:58Z] he's already done like 40 contributions in a couple of hours. jeez

[2021-06-11T08:19:25Z] i'm happy to see him back, but the pull requests and all the stuff waiting for him would be... overwhelming

[2021-06-11T09:50:38Z] oh dylan's back, I wonder if he knows of the movement of this channel from freenode to libera.chat

[2021-06-11T11:50:07Z] konimex: it wouldnt be hard to figure it out, the move is listed on k1sslinux.org/irc, so id hope dylan can read

[2021-06-11T11:50:39Z] but its dope to see him back

[2021-06-11T11:59:38Z] konimex: if not he'd find out soon, both from r/kisslinux and from the /topic on #kisslinux on freenode

[2021-06-11T12:00:42Z] that too yeah

[2021-06-11T12:03:29Z] isn't #kisslinux on freenode +i though?

[2021-06-11T12:08:31Z] you can still see the topic

[2021-06-11T12:31:39Z] konimex: I removed the +i, so as to not further provoke the Lords of Leenode

[2021-06-11T12:40:28Z] morning, everyone

[2021-06-11T12:42:58Z] man, I need to tinker on sbase...

[2021-06-11T12:43:21Z] 'mv' doesn't check permissions before attempting to move a file, so if you don't have appropriate perms, the file you attempted to move is nuked

[2021-06-11T12:43:57Z] something tells me that POSIX doesn't specify that

[2021-06-11T13:29:44Z] midfavila-laptop: i wonder how sbase mv is implemented if its doing that, it should check if its got write permissions to the target directory before but uuuh

[2021-06-11T13:29:46Z] * necromansy shrugs

[2021-06-11T13:30:18Z] report it to mcf

[2021-06-11T13:33:43Z] https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/mv.html

[2021-06-11T13:34:18Z] yeah this seems like a thing to report

[2021-06-11T13:38:02Z] https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/unix/BashBracketedPasteChange

[2021-06-11T13:40:24Z] Hiiiii!

[2021-06-11T13:40:37Z] Dylan's back!

[2021-06-11T13:43:25Z] ye

[2021-06-11T13:43:32Z] ahh, what a day!

[2021-06-11T13:43:41Z] i..what an odd feature

[2021-06-11T13:44:23Z] so, will he keep working on kiss or is everything still on dilyn hands?

[2021-06-11T13:44:44Z] no idea yet, he hasnt made contact with us afaik

[2021-06-11T13:45:30Z] oh, I'm curious on how it ends up.

[2021-06-11T13:46:21Z] I really want to know what he thinks on how the distro kept going

[2021-06-11T13:48:58Z] we didn't make any radical changes

[2021-06-11T13:49:10Z] morning

[2021-06-11T13:49:42Z] hi nerditup

[2021-06-11T13:49:50Z] just reading now that Dylan is back, this is huge news!

[2021-06-11T13:52:27Z] acheam: I didn't mean that

[2021-06-11T13:52:55Z] you know, just that the packages were updated and that the distro didn't die with his disappearance

[2021-06-11T13:53:08Z] that was always a stated goal tbf

[2021-06-11T13:53:14Z] oh yeah

[2021-06-11T13:53:22Z] that's why I'm curious

[2021-06-11T13:53:44Z] Getting to this point is still a lot

[2021-06-11T14:05:46Z] rip k1ss.org

[2021-06-11T14:16:14Z] OOF

[2021-06-11T14:16:34Z] someone actually bought it for $700?

[2021-06-11T14:17:07Z] wait soneone sniped it?

[2021-06-11T14:17:22Z] looks like it

[2021-06-11T14:19:56Z] <testuser[m]1> wasnt it gone long ago

[2021-06-11T14:20:11Z] <testuser[m]1> still shows the same spam site

[2021-06-11T14:20:36Z] it shows registered for me on dynadot.com

[2021-06-11T14:20:48Z] wheras it was available for $688 earlier

[2021-06-11T14:21:58Z] http://0x0.st/-LBX.png I can still add it to shopping cart on namecheap :shrug:

[2021-06-11T14:22:30Z] o_O

[2021-06-11T14:22:56Z] also is the price per month on namecheap or per year

[2021-06-11T14:23:01Z] cuz that looks expensive

[2021-06-11T14:23:04Z] year

[2021-06-11T14:23:24Z] still expensive :P

[2021-06-11T14:23:33Z] whois: https://l.armaanb.net/tmp.IhPEid

[2021-06-11T14:23:51Z] maybe its just being held my namecheap, and thats why you can buy it there?

[2021-06-11T14:24:01Z] but it looks like its pointing to parklogic.com

[2021-06-11T14:24:07Z] idk man, domains are weird

[2021-06-11T14:25:47Z] did my patch not go through on the ML or is the archive just out of date?

[2021-06-11T14:26:44Z] if it didnt, dilyn: https://l.armaanb.net/0001-chorizo-new-package-at-1.0.0.patch

[2021-06-11T14:27:18Z] what we have an ml?

[2021-06-11T14:27:21Z] lol

[2021-06-11T14:27:28Z] how do I subscribe XD

[2021-06-11T14:27:41Z] email dev+subscribe@k1sslinux.org

[2021-06-11T14:27:49Z] and/or community+subscribe@k1sslinux.org

[2021-06-11T14:27:57Z] hello everyone o/

[2021-06-11T14:28:01Z] hi aws

[2021-06-11T14:28:18Z] please don't hurt me with your monopolistic cloud service provider antics

[2021-06-11T14:28:22Z] i noticed dylan started committing today!

[2021-06-11T14:28:26Z] yes!

[2021-06-11T14:28:31Z] nothing kiss related yet

[2021-06-11T14:28:39Z] but good to see that hes coming back

[2021-06-11T14:29:01Z] <testuser[m]1> hi aws

[2021-06-11T14:29:16Z] i wonder what OS he is running

[2021-06-11T14:29:27Z] acheam, the chorizo package is on the ml

[2021-06-11T14:29:33Z] ang: thanks!

[2021-06-11T14:29:46Z] <testuser[m]1> his old kiss install probably

[2021-06-11T14:29:49Z] the archives are out of date then

[2021-06-11T14:30:36Z] I would have installed Mint or smthng /shrug

[2021-06-11T14:33:57Z] acheam: dilyn's probably still doing the archives manually

[2021-06-11T14:34:17Z] <testuser[m]1> no he said there's a cronjob

[2021-06-11T14:49:19Z] <testuser[m]1> #if __has_include(<something.h>) is portable right ?

[2021-06-11T15:30:50Z] test

[2021-06-11T15:31:31Z] <testuser[m]1> Fail

[2021-06-11T15:31:46Z] failed, but successfully

[2021-06-11T15:32:12Z] apparently the nickname dante is already registered but its still letting me send messages

[2021-06-11T15:32:24Z] :thinking:

[2021-06-11T15:38:21Z] acheam: your patch went through

[2021-06-11T15:38:58Z] i've been away for a few months what's the state of KISS atm?

[2021-06-11T15:39:26Z] Bois back

[2021-06-11T15:39:32Z] alive and well

[2021-06-11T15:39:36Z] thank god

[2021-06-11T15:44:03Z] o/

[2021-06-11T15:44:47Z] is anyone here using wayland?

[2021-06-11T15:47:42Z] <testuser[m]1> Yes

[2021-06-11T15:48:31Z] is stuff starting to work on it without the need for xwayland?

[2021-06-11T15:50:30Z] i dont think i use xwayland

[2021-06-11T15:51:07Z] <testuser[m]1> What stuff

[2021-06-11T15:52:22Z] I'm using firefox without xwayland afaik

[2021-06-11T15:52:34Z] dante0012: claudia did some work on a "no xorg" wayland repo a while ago: https://github.com/sdsddsd1/mywayland

[2021-06-11T15:52:38Z] <testuser[m]1> But not without xlibs

[2021-06-11T15:53:03Z] <testuser[m]1> I have a patch for ff to drop x11 libs, chromium works fine on ayyland without extra patches

[2021-06-11T15:53:06Z] so did himmalerin

[2021-06-11T15:53:20Z] <testuser[m]1> What other stuff do you need ?

[2021-06-11T15:53:29Z] https://github.com/Himmalerin/kiss-wayland

[2021-06-11T15:55:53Z] hey micr0!

[2021-06-11T15:55:57Z] long time no see!

[2021-06-11T15:56:57Z] hah yeah. my other laptop display got shorted, and now im on my linux one :)

[2021-06-11T15:57:10Z] also doing some stuff thats just easier in linux

[2021-06-11T15:57:17Z] hope you are doing well acheam

[2021-06-11T15:58:16Z] i'm on arch rn but i might switch back to kiss now that dylan is back

[2021-06-11T15:59:59Z] already back on my old BS: day 1 and packaged nodejs-lts xD

[2021-06-11T16:00:13Z] woah dylan is back?

[2021-06-11T16:00:23Z] <testuser[m]1> Made a few commits today

[2021-06-11T16:00:26Z] <testuser[m]1> But not here yet

[2021-06-11T16:00:55Z] his github says "back soon" so i assume he's making himself a nice cup of tea and shaking his head at the state of kiss

[2021-06-11T16:01:05Z] happy that he is alive. also would be an interesting blog post, how kiss survived with its initial bdfl gone for a while.

[2021-06-11T16:01:49Z] well, we don't know if dylan's gonna return

[2021-06-11T16:02:02Z] unless there's been an update?

[2021-06-11T16:02:13Z] https://github.com/dylanaraps - his github status has been changed to "be back soon"

[2021-06-11T16:02:35Z] <testuser[m]1> He's active on gh midfavila's laptop

[2021-06-11T16:02:43Z] yeah, I knew that

[2021-06-11T16:05:29Z] midfavila's laptop:

[2021-06-11T16:05:37Z] >:V

[2021-06-11T16:13:10Z] anyone using a non-sway wayland compositor?

[2021-06-11T16:13:18Z] river looked cool but last i checked was difficult to build

[2021-06-11T16:13:43Z] <testuser[m]1> Dilyn uses hikari i think

[2021-06-11T16:15:00Z] i wasn't a fan of hikari when i tried it

[2021-06-11T16:15:04Z] i think sway is cool

[2021-06-11T16:15:19Z] also checkout mcf's one velox i think its called

[2021-06-11T16:17:38Z] i was able to get wayfire installed without XWayland

[2021-06-11T16:17:58Z] but i don't have anything else beyond foot terminal so its not exactly usable

[2021-06-11T16:18:00Z] Did midfavila's laptop gain consciousness in order to cry about Athena?

[2021-06-11T16:18:46Z] omanom: you can use webkit on wayland

[2021-06-11T16:18:58Z] omanom foot is so damn comfy

[2021-06-11T16:19:08Z] hmm so does that mean lariza/chorizo would work?

[2021-06-11T16:19:26Z] Yes lariza is pure GTK, so it will work without issues

[2021-06-11T16:19:48Z] foot is lovely

[2021-06-11T16:19:53Z] chromium works natively on wayland

[2021-06-11T16:19:56Z] check arch wiki

[2021-06-11T16:20:05Z] yes... but then i'd have to use chromium

[2021-06-11T16:20:13Z] chromiumm isn't thattt bad...

[2021-06-11T16:20:13Z] oh, we are out of date on foot. i'll update it to 1.7.2

[2021-06-11T16:20:17Z] <testuser[m]1> omanom: you can build webkit with wayland support, i can send you the build files if you like

[2021-06-11T16:20:21Z] i'd prefer lariza if i can get it working, that's all

[2021-06-11T16:20:27Z] <testuser[m]1> You need libwpe stuff too

[2021-06-11T16:20:27Z] ungoogled-chromium is nice

[2021-06-11T16:20:29Z] eh I don't like foot that much, especially with some TUI programs

[2021-06-11T16:20:39Z] testuser[m]1 is it in your wayland repo? otherwise yeah a link would be great

[2021-06-11T16:20:50Z] <testuser[m]1> I haven't put it into my repo cuz webkit just don't wanna work on my machine

[2021-06-11T16:21:05Z] <testuser[m]1> segfault without WPE, blank page with WPE

[2021-06-11T16:21:53Z] <testuser[m]1> You'll have to wait till tomorrow :d

[2021-06-11T16:22:23Z] <testuser[m]1> They're in claudia's wayland repo too but outdated

[2021-06-11T16:22:42Z] haha that's fine, no rush. i haven't even booted that laptop up in a couple weeks now

[2021-06-11T16:24:32Z] That's really strange

[2021-06-11T16:26:40Z] I blame glibc

[2021-06-11T16:30:03Z] dante0012 I bumped foot from 1.6.2 to 1.7.2 and added a little summary of the breaking changes in the post-install

[2021-06-11T16:30:06Z] lots of nice features though

[2021-06-11T16:30:20Z] i'm gonna probably install kiss today i've been on arch for a bit

[2021-06-11T16:30:31Z] github.com/jedahan/kiss-wayland

[2021-06-11T16:30:32Z] ahh k

[2021-06-11T16:30:42Z] github.com/jedahan/kiss-wayland - nice

[2021-06-11T16:30:50Z] also I have no idea if the firefox in my wayland repository will build its been so long xD

[2021-06-11T16:30:57Z] lmk if it works or not for you

[2021-06-11T16:31:08Z] will let you know but i'll probably end up using chromium

[2021-06-11T16:31:19Z] well, ungoogled-chromium

[2021-06-11T16:31:44Z] micr0: what's the state of like, games on wayland

[2021-06-11T16:32:08Z] probably garbage? but I remember using a Steam AppImage from back in the day

[2021-06-11T16:32:11Z] back in the day i was playing the odd minecraft on kiss with flatpak but i assume wayland completely breaks that

[2021-06-11T16:32:17Z] unless your idea of games are rogue-likes

[2021-06-11T16:32:45Z] lol

[2021-06-11T16:32:48Z] https://github.com/sdsddsd1/kiss-games

[2021-06-11T16:33:15Z] i'm sure i can play some sort of tetris variant in the terminal

[2021-06-11T16:33:58Z] Somebody packaged Love2d!

[2021-06-11T16:34:48Z] Argh, and OpenTTD. Bliss.

[2021-06-11T16:34:58Z] yeah i am testing the love2d build right now

[2021-06-11T16:35:11Z] if you have any favorite love2d games, link/lmk and i can try it out

[2021-06-11T16:35:37Z] or maybe i check my itch.io backlog....

[2021-06-11T16:35:57Z] man

[2021-06-11T16:36:06Z] i love it when I have a valid X config and it doesn't do what it should

[2021-06-11T16:36:11Z] thanks X.Org

[2021-06-11T16:44:10Z] acheam: your patch did indeed come through, I was just asleep :v

[2021-06-11T16:44:25Z] I manually move the emails to a folder, and that folder is worked on by a cronjob. so it's half automated

[2021-06-11T16:44:43Z] though I just updated my sieve script so now the automations should all work perfectly...

[2021-06-11T16:51:43Z] coolio

[2021-06-11T17:04:00Z] smartin Icedove-UXP or..?

[2021-06-11T17:48:54Z] http://lists.suckless.org/dev/2106/34335.html

[2021-06-11T17:49:47Z] I love the occasional shitpost on the suckless mailing list

[2021-06-11T17:55:32Z] haha, that's a good one

[2021-06-11T17:55:49Z] ">Martin Tournoij - Industry Thought Leader"

[2021-06-11T17:56:01Z] > Suckless.org currently has a score of 100 on Google PageSpeed.

[2021-06-11T17:56:10Z] > This is

[2021-06-11T17:56:11Z] far too high.

[2021-06-11T17:56:30Z] we need more 80mb video loops in the background

[2021-06-11T17:56:37Z] my fav was "Official Certified Oracle™® Cunt™® (2020)"

[2021-06-11T17:56:49Z] they should just rewrite the site in flash ffs

[2021-06-11T17:56:58Z] considering they love old technology

[2021-06-11T17:57:05Z] Java applets*

[2021-06-11T17:57:41Z] >"Some of the content is in German, which was too controversial."

[2021-06-11T17:57:45Z] amazing

[2021-06-11T18:01:45Z] > There are many modern frameworks but you should really use React in my

[2021-06-11T18:01:45Z] opinion. It is amazing. I do everything with React; I became a millionaire

[2021-06-11T18:01:46Z] by mining Bitcoins with React, I cook my food with React (React curry with

[2021-06-11T18:01:46Z] chickpeas is about as amazing as [12]+3 resulting in the string "123"!),

[2021-06-11T18:01:47Z] and wow, the response from the women when I say I use React!! It's the

[2021-06-11T18:01:47Z] easiest Tinder opening line ever. My cat loves React too.

[2021-06-11T18:16:24Z] testuser[m]1: I think you need to disable introspection in gst-plugins

[2021-06-11T18:16:43Z] -Dintrospection=disabled

[2021-06-11T18:17:03Z] fails to build without it for me, as the whole KISS gtk stack is built without it

[2021-06-11T18:17:22Z] * midfavila-laptop laughs in stable GTK2

[2021-06-11T18:17:27Z] stfu

[2021-06-11T18:17:32Z] make me, geek

[2021-06-11T18:17:44Z] yer not even an op any more

[2021-06-11T18:17:49Z] your words hold no power over me

[2021-06-11T18:17:51Z] * acheam stuffs a sock in midfavila's laptop's serial port

[2021-06-11T18:18:01Z] joke's on you, my laptop has no serial port

[2021-06-11T18:18:22Z] jokes on you, you got scammed then

[2021-06-11T18:18:30Z] not really

[2021-06-11T18:18:37Z] i can upgrade my laptop with a serial module whenever I want

[2021-06-11T18:18:39Z] :P

[2021-06-11T18:20:05Z] although there's a modem module that occupies the same slot

[2021-06-11T18:20:16Z] depending on whether it's a hardmodem or not I might go with that instead

[2021-06-11T18:20:39Z] cruise along the information superhighway at 56kbaud, baby

[2021-06-11T18:21:12Z] ...well, the baudrate for a 56kbps modem is significantly higher than 56kbaud, but whatever

[2021-06-11T19:05:04Z] Can I confess to my sin of starting to write a React Native phone app

[2021-06-11T19:06:03Z] For someone's university senior project, too

[2021-06-11T19:06:08Z] if you want to be impaled and burned alive, yes

[2021-06-11T19:06:22Z] midfavila: maybe I do

[2021-06-11T19:06:27Z] hot

[2021-06-11T19:06:28Z] literally

[2021-06-11T19:06:53Z] True, should I groan?

[2021-06-11T19:07:11Z] i imagine you would be too busy cooking to do much, but whatever floats your boat

[2021-06-11T19:07:16Z] what's the project?

[2021-06-11T19:07:47Z] It's a todo app for the visually impaired

[2021-06-11T19:08:05Z] And I have never in my life did a phone app

[2021-06-11T19:08:20Z] neat. i would have thought that the blind would use a teletype or something

[2021-06-11T19:08:26Z] make sure to use tabs instead of spaces

[2021-06-11T19:08:30Z] /s

[2021-06-11T19:08:33Z] And I had to choose between learning Java and JS

[2021-06-11T19:08:36Z] I chose JS

[2021-06-11T19:08:50Z] if it's android, couldn't you have used kotlin or clojure?

[2021-06-11T19:08:54Z] those run on the JVM, right?

[2021-06-11T19:09:19Z] I'm completely unfamiliar with either of those

[2021-06-11T19:09:26Z] Are they any good?

[2021-06-11T19:09:36Z] idk anything about kotlin, but clojure seems really cool from what I've seen of it

[2021-06-11T19:09:44Z] it's a Scheme dialect

[2021-06-11T19:10:01Z] Ah yes lisp

[2021-06-11T19:10:06Z] lithp

[2021-06-11T19:10:10Z] people say kotlin is better than java

[2021-06-11T19:10:13Z] I can at least have some fun

[2021-06-11T19:10:19Z] Anything is better than Java

[2021-06-11T19:10:22Z] it's not hard to-

[2021-06-11T19:10:24Z] Maybe except C++

[2021-06-11T19:10:25Z] yeah, was gonna say

[2021-06-11T19:10:31Z] the only thing that's worse than java is JS

[2021-06-11T19:10:48Z] ...but even that's debateable

[2021-06-11T19:10:52Z] debatable*

[2021-06-11T19:11:07Z] Yeah, I was about to say that

[2021-06-11T19:11:11Z] speaking of confessing sins, python kiss package manager now has search functionality https://0x0.st/-Lui.png

[2021-06-11T19:11:21Z] Oh god

[2021-06-11T19:11:22Z] >piss

[2021-06-11T19:11:24Z] i love it

[2021-06-11T19:11:48Z] The terms package manager and Python only makes me think of Portage

[2021-06-11T19:12:01Z] more like abortage

[2021-06-11T19:12:01Z] Ten hours of dependency resolution

[2021-06-11T19:12:08Z] only fucking thing I want to do when using gentoo

[2021-06-11T19:12:19Z] but at least it's not sorcery

[2021-06-11T19:12:38Z] sorcery is really cool, but it's a special kind of pain

[2021-06-11T19:12:42Z] Yeah, like some packages compile faster than portage generates a dependency graph

[2021-06-11T19:13:01Z] n i c e

[2021-06-11T19:13:07Z] that's what you call good programming

[2021-06-11T19:13:17Z] That's a pro python move

[2021-06-11T19:13:28Z] does portage run on pypi instead of cython?

[2021-06-11T19:13:32Z] lol it takes piss 0.14s to complete that query, whereas kiss takes such little time that time lists straight 0s

[2021-06-11T19:13:51Z] "it doesn't matter that python is slow, mid"

[2021-06-11T19:13:57Z] probably all loading up of the interpreter

[2021-06-11T19:13:59Z] > piss

[2021-06-11T19:14:01Z] I love it

[2021-06-11T19:14:20Z] well i mean, its still not anywhere near noticeable to a user

[2021-06-11T19:14:42Z] you could probably get it to go faster if you byte compiled it

[2021-06-11T19:15:16Z] My computer when I boot up is soo fucking janky that I calculate how much I'll wait before running a command

[2021-06-11T19:15:33Z] For like the first ten minutes

[2021-06-11T19:15:34Z] ngl KISS can end up pretty janky after a while

[2021-06-11T19:15:35Z] :P

[2021-06-11T19:15:41Z] but the crust is part of the charm

[2021-06-11T19:15:45Z] GalaxyNova is that just using py_compile

[2021-06-11T19:16:34Z] yes

[2021-06-11T19:17:26Z] I mean, my Carbs system is still real fucking fast compared to the times when I used Arch or Void

[2021-06-11T19:17:54Z] This dumb fucking computer is the actual reason I started this thing in the first place

[2021-06-11T19:17:55Z] the virgin arch minimalist versus the chad kiss essentialist

[2021-06-11T19:18:35Z] I hate HP with a burning passion and everyday I never hope to see this computer ever again

[2021-06-11T19:18:41Z] lol

[2021-06-11T19:18:50Z] burn the OEM down

[2021-06-11T19:18:50Z] Open the window

[2021-06-11T19:18:52Z] It's getting worse, and I'm not even repairing it because I want to get rid of it as soon as possible

[2021-06-11T19:18:55Z] and throw it out

[2021-06-11T19:18:59Z] cem dude

[2021-06-11T19:19:02Z] you're gettin' a dell

[2021-06-11T19:19:16Z] build your own PC!

[2021-06-11T19:19:20Z] laptops are overrated

[2021-06-11T19:19:24Z] i mean, this, yes

[2021-06-11T19:19:33Z] but also stop buying consumer-grade garbage

[2021-06-11T19:19:44Z] I'm probably getting a Dell or Lenovo

[2021-06-11T19:19:45Z] cem's hell will be one giant HP mainframe running NewWave

[2021-06-11T19:19:51Z] lmao

[2021-06-11T19:19:56Z] generating more e-waste is the only way to flex on people

[2021-06-11T19:19:57Z] zr: lmaoo

[2021-06-11T19:20:04Z] forced to run hpux for all eternity

[2021-06-11T19:20:17Z] My previous laptop was HP too :^)

[2021-06-11T19:20:22Z] :<

[2021-06-11T19:20:24Z] when will you learn!

[2021-06-11T19:20:31Z] dilyn but consider the following

[2021-06-11T19:20:34Z] That one was actually good though

[2021-06-11T19:20:36Z] you can actually upgrade old thiccpads

[2021-06-11T19:20:43Z] just get an IBM model smh

[2021-06-11T19:20:54Z] If my mom didn't start using that, I would actually switch back to it and run ElementaryOS

[2021-06-11T19:20:57Z] aesthetic >>>> upgradeability

[2021-06-11T19:21:01Z] gimme a carbon x1 pls

[2021-06-11T19:21:07Z] go back to your macbook

[2021-06-11T19:21:09Z] >:C

[2021-06-11T19:21:25Z] just connect a keyboard to a phone

[2021-06-11T19:21:35Z] maximum dystopia

[2021-06-11T19:21:38Z] hng

[2021-06-11T19:21:43Z] I know I say this quite a lot, but I would still be a Linux noobie if it weren't for this dumb computer

[2021-06-11T19:21:48Z] I would still be a literature student

[2021-06-11T19:21:58Z] and now look at you

[2021-06-11T19:22:03Z] I hate my life

[2021-06-11T19:22:04Z] able to scream about CFLAGS with the rest of us

[2021-06-11T19:22:15Z] That's true

[2021-06-11T19:22:16Z] one of us, one of us...

[2021-06-11T19:22:18Z] you might want to kill yourself every day from buildtime related stress,

[2021-06-11T19:22:22Z] but at least you can flex on arch users

[2021-06-11T19:22:27Z] CFLAGS are a circlejerk

[2021-06-11T19:22:34Z] meh, yes and no

[2021-06-11T19:22:42Z] -march=native -mtune generic -pipe -Os

[2021-06-11T19:22:57Z] I'm not a 4head

[2021-06-11T19:23:17Z] i normally use -pipe -w -O2 -fstack-protector -march=haswell

[2021-06-11T19:23:28Z] with a few additional optimizations depending on machine

[2021-06-11T19:23:52Z] I have never changed CFLAGS since the day I first installed Gentoo

[2021-06-11T19:24:09Z] if there's a gentoo, was there a genone?

[2021-06-11T19:24:13Z] :c

[2021-06-11T19:24:31Z] genzee jokes

[2021-06-11T19:24:37Z] I wish agressive CFLAGS were... more worthwhile

[2021-06-11T19:24:57Z] I feel like too much effort has gone into creating them, only for them to just be... basically worthless?

[2021-06-11T19:25:06Z] Yeah, that's the thing. It's not worth the time micro managing cflags

[2021-06-11T19:25:23Z] managing thin LTO is annoying as it is. I couldn't imagine adding more than that

[2021-06-11T19:25:26Z] aggressive cflags are usually set by upstream

[2021-06-11T19:25:36Z] at least afaik

[2021-06-11T19:25:41Z] midfavila: Yeah, exactly

[2021-06-11T19:25:58Z] but even that isn't uniform :\

[2021-06-11T19:26:07Z] well, the way I look at it is this

[2021-06-11T19:26:15Z] if they're not set, you're not losing anything

[2021-06-11T19:26:20Z] some maintainers like aggressive CFLAGS, some think you should always be conservative, some will always defer to the user, even when they shouldn't...

[2021-06-11T19:26:21Z] * midfavila shrugs

[2021-06-11T19:26:25Z] no like

[2021-06-11T19:26:28Z] when I say "upstream"

[2021-06-11T19:26:32Z] i mean the software devs

[2021-06-11T19:26:35Z] yes

[2021-06-11T19:26:48Z] i've seen programs that build with -funroll-loops for example, even though I'd never set that myself

[2021-06-11T19:26:54Z] yeah

[2021-06-11T19:28:19Z] Also lazy people who didn't fix their software after GCC10 and arbitrarily add -fno-common :P

[2021-06-11T19:28:39Z] >mfw I was using gcc8 not too long ago

[2021-06-11T19:29:15Z] <mfw not surprised mid was using old software

[2021-06-11T19:31:25Z] look,

[2021-06-11T19:31:29Z] no bully

[2021-06-11T19:31:41Z] pls

[2021-06-11T19:31:48Z] i bruise easily

[2021-06-11T19:32:02Z] midfavila: I'm sorry :(

[2021-06-11T19:32:12Z] as you should be uwu

[2021-06-11T19:59:59Z] .17s to list installed packages vs .01s lol

[2021-06-11T20:28:02Z] omanom: what changed?

[2021-06-11T20:28:28Z] almost the entirety of the difference in time is due to python's slow importing

[2021-06-11T20:29:49Z] oh are you working on a kiss in python?

[2021-06-11T20:31:01Z] piss does appear to be pythonized kiss

[2021-06-11T20:31:12Z] yeah just playing around with it

[2021-06-11T20:31:30Z] i actually want to write a stripped-down KISS in scheme later on...

[2021-06-11T20:31:40Z] it's good to see someone working on a similar project

[2021-06-11T20:32:03Z] "similar" in that it's a non-shell KISS, I mean

[2021-06-11T20:32:24Z] king

[2021-06-11T20:32:28Z] k

[2021-06-11T20:32:34Z] noocsharp's thing

[2021-06-11T20:32:40Z] there are a many of them :)

[2021-06-11T20:32:48Z] okay, well, excuse me, princess

[2021-06-11T20:32:55Z] it's not like I spend all day in here >:c

[2021-06-11T20:33:09Z] you... don't?

[2021-06-11T20:33:15Z] correct

[2021-06-11T20:33:20Z] what is this way of living?

[2021-06-11T20:33:33Z] i spend twenty-three hours and fifty-nine minutes per day in here

[2021-06-11T20:33:45Z] the one minute is to make tea

[2021-06-11T20:34:43Z] hmm maybe augmented reality goggles that you can wear during the tea making that project this irc channel into your eyeballs?

[2021-06-11T20:34:48Z] or a screen reader?

[2021-06-11T20:34:54Z] we've gotta bump up your numbers

[2021-06-11T20:35:02Z] you joke, but if I could get a third eye-style gadget I'd already have one

[2021-06-11T20:35:06Z] tbf i haven't worked on mine in several months

[2021-06-11T20:35:34Z] illiliti is, like with most things, going to be the first to market :v

[2021-06-11T20:36:27Z] illilili himself, or king?

[2021-06-11T20:36:34Z] should I be worried about human trafficking?

[2021-06-11T20:36:38Z] nothing to see here

[2021-06-11T20:36:52Z] selling an ILTI body pillow for 12000 USD

[2021-06-11T20:36:53Z] are you a... wayfair employee?

[2021-06-11T20:36:59Z] IKEA

[2021-06-11T20:38:32Z] got a coupon code?

[2021-06-11T20:38:45Z] not for you

[2021-06-11T20:39:22Z] well you've got a lawsuit coming your way in that case

[2021-06-11T20:39:40Z] wtf why does gas only support at&t syntax

[2021-06-11T20:39:44Z] gas?

[2021-06-11T20:39:49Z] gnu assembler

[2021-06-11T20:39:51Z] because intel syntax needs to die in a fire

[2021-06-11T20:39:58Z] intel syntax is better in every way

[2021-06-11T20:40:02Z] why aren't you using nasm?

[2021-06-11T20:40:04Z] i am

[2021-06-11T20:40:20Z] but i was trying to get gcc to compile c to intel asm

[2021-06-11T20:40:28Z] ah

[2021-06-11T20:40:44Z] tbf supporting two syntices seems annoying

[2021-06-11T20:40:53Z] and if you've seen the GNU C style

[2021-06-11T20:41:05Z] then obvs they're gonna support the worse asm style

[2021-06-11T20:41:34Z] midfavila: you'd like the GNU C style

[2021-06-11T20:41:38Z] its very lispy

[2021-06-11T20:41:46Z] I know gcc can output intel syntax but that's as far as I used

[2021-06-11T20:41:46Z] i wonder why

[2021-06-11T20:41:48Z] lithpy

[2021-06-11T20:42:04Z] ith becauth Thtallman liketh LISPth

[2021-06-11T20:43:51Z] sereral million lines of c++ and they barely support intel syntax

[2021-06-11T20:45:35Z] actually i probably would prefer nasm support to intel

[2021-06-11T21:05:08Z] 20:56 I am getting a font error whenever I try to launch xorg, what do I do? i have fontconfig, terminus-font, libreation-fonts, xorg-server, libinput, xf86-video-amdgpu, sowm, and xinit installed. will post xorg log shortly

[2021-06-11T21:05:23Z] 20:57 https://pastebin.com/raw/j0AFvfus is xorg log

[2021-06-11T21:05:25Z] 20:59 https://pastebin.com/raw/6rN7pu7U is dmesg output

[2021-06-11T21:05:33Z] (repeating question from the old channel)

[2021-06-11T21:05:45Z] sorry for using wrong irc

[2021-06-11T21:06:01Z] eh no problem

[2021-06-11T21:06:14Z] it's confusing, all this irc drama :D

[2021-06-11T21:08:11Z] i am going to post the output of startx

[2021-06-11T21:08:13Z] will not be on the irc for 1 minute

[2021-06-11T21:13:11Z] i am back

[2021-06-11T21:13:27Z] i do not know how to pipe startx to a file

[2021-06-11T21:13:31Z] so nvm

[2021-06-11T21:13:47Z] but you have the xorg log and stuff

[2021-06-11T21:22:05Z] does anyone know how to fix this?

[2021-06-11T21:23:08Z] howdoIfixX: patience, many users here probably haven't seen your question yet

[2021-06-11T21:23:14Z] I'm busy right now, so can't help :V

[2021-06-11T21:23:16Z] You have xf86-input-libinput?

[2021-06-11T21:23:34Z] yes

[2021-06-11T21:23:40Z] i have tried as root

[2021-06-11T21:25:12Z] Works as root?

[2021-06-11T21:25:50Z] If so, check your user is in the "input" group

[2021-06-11T21:26:31Z] no

[2021-06-11T21:26:48Z] user is input group, i have tried using root, it does not work

[2021-06-11T21:27:26Z] the font errors are usually meaningless

[2021-06-11T21:28:01Z] and your logs seem to indicate that xorg is starting properly

[2021-06-11T21:28:13Z] You have eudev or some alternative service running?

[2021-06-11T21:33:22Z] i do not know

[2021-06-11T21:33:27Z] i installed eudev

[2021-06-11T21:33:39Z] i i did not start it

[2021-06-11T21:33:44Z] ps -e | grep udevd

[2021-06-11T21:33:49Z] should tell you whether it's running

[2021-06-11T21:34:12Z] also, do i need libudev-zero for libinput if I have eudev?

[2021-06-11T21:34:17Z] no

[2021-06-11T21:34:29Z] libudev isn't needed if you have udev

[2021-06-11T21:34:46Z] is eudev udev?

[2021-06-11T21:34:58Z] yes. it's just udev without a reliance on systemd

[2021-06-11T21:35:03Z] thx

[2021-06-11T21:35:04Z] am going to reboot from this livecd to check

[2021-06-11T21:38:47Z] i am helpfixX

[2021-06-11T21:39:38Z] i mean howdoIfixX

[2021-06-11T21:40:20Z] the output for the command i got is

[2021-06-11T21:40:29Z] 254 kiss 0:00 grep udev

[2021-06-11T21:41:03Z] yeah, so, that means that udev isn't running

[2021-06-11T21:41:16Z] how do i get it to run

[2021-06-11T21:41:28Z] ...tell your init to start it during boot?

[2021-06-11T21:41:52Z] the documentation for your init system should be able to tell you how

[2021-06-11T21:42:09Z] i think busybox init starts processes from inittab, like sysvinit, but I'm not sure

[2021-06-11T21:43:13Z] i used my text editor to open /etc/iinittab, do I just put "eudev &"?

[2021-06-11T21:44:59Z] no idea. I don't use busybox

[2021-06-11T21:46:02Z] ln -s /etc/eudev /var/service should work right ?

[2021-06-11T21:46:38Z] * midfavila shrugs?

[2021-06-11T21:46:45Z] doubtful?

[2021-06-11T21:47:11Z] kisslinux: ln -s /etc/sv/udevd /var/service

[2021-06-11T21:48:34Z] i am going to reboot to check if that fixed it, will keep posted

[2021-06-11T21:48:41Z] bye for a sec

[2021-06-11T21:53:23Z] Startx still does not work after using ln -s /etc/sv/udevd /var/service

[2021-06-11T21:53:47Z] What is in .xinitrc?

[2021-06-11T21:54:17Z] exec sowm

[2021-06-11T21:56:02Z] what's the output of pgrep udev?

[2021-06-11T21:56:48Z] 250

[2021-06-11T21:57:02Z] ok, so it is running

[2021-06-11T21:57:35Z] is .xinitrc executable?

[2021-06-11T21:57:47Z] and does it have a shebang?

[2021-06-11T21:58:04Z] i do not know what a shebang is

[2021-06-11T21:58:11Z] #!

[2021-06-11T21:58:20Z] put "#!/bin/sh" as the first line

[2021-06-11T21:58:27Z] and chmod +x .xinitrc

[2021-06-11T21:58:33Z] marks a text file as an executable using the program at the given path

[2021-06-11T22:00:50Z] Ok

[2021-06-11T22:00:57Z] Startx still fails

[2021-06-11T22:01:15Z] I put that line at the beggining

[2021-06-11T22:01:30Z] And i made it executable

[2021-06-11T22:02:56Z] when you say fails, does a black screen show up and it goes back to the console?

[2021-06-11T22:03:36Z] Yes

[2021-06-11T22:05:05Z] have you tried using xf86-video-vesa?

[2021-06-11T22:05:38Z] i will try

[2021-06-11T22:05:47Z] I already have installed amdgpu tho

[2021-06-11T22:06:51Z] Also does it work as root now what udev is running?

[2021-06-11T22:07:46Z] No.

[2021-06-11T22:07:56Z] Still fails after installing vesa

[2021-06-11T22:16:03Z] I gtg

[2021-06-11T22:18:08Z] welp I enabled airplane mode and fell asleep

[2021-06-11T22:18:32Z] oh, no more orangutangs?

[2021-06-11T22:46:00Z] no

[2021-06-11T22:46:03Z] we shot them all

[2021-06-11T22:46:06Z] and turned them into vests

[2021-06-11T22:46:09Z] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[2021-06-11T22:46:12Z] yes

[2021-06-11T22:46:14Z] and you're next

[2021-06-11T22:46:20Z] you will make a fine hat, riteo

[2021-06-11T22:46:25Z] I didn't know I was an orangutang

[2021-06-11T22:46:29Z] cool

[2021-06-11T22:46:33Z] humans are apes

[2021-06-11T22:46:34Z] so like

[2021-06-11T22:46:36Z] it's whatever

[2021-06-11T22:46:39Z] basically the same thing

[2021-06-11T22:46:42Z] right, right

[2021-06-11T22:46:49Z] what hat will I be?

[2021-06-11T22:46:56Z] "A fine hat" is really vague

[2021-06-11T22:46:59Z] what's a stereotypically italian hat

[2021-06-11T22:47:05Z] mhh

[2021-06-11T22:47:15Z] do we have stereotipical hats?

[2021-06-11T22:47:30Z] i guess since a lot of the mobsters in old american movies were italian... maybe a fedora

[2021-06-11T22:47:31Z] idk

[2021-06-11T22:47:35Z] * midfavila shrugs

[2021-06-11T22:47:42Z] eh

[2021-06-11T22:47:54Z] kind of a stretch, i know

[2021-06-11T22:48:01Z] you get off this time

[2021-06-11T22:48:05Z] epic

[2021-06-11T22:48:06Z] but mark my words, monkey-man

[2021-06-11T22:48:09Z] one of these days

[2021-06-11T22:48:44Z] one of these days what

[2021-06-11T22:48:56Z] i'll leave that... up to you

[2021-06-11T22:49:01Z] oh

[2021-06-11T22:49:03Z] cue ominous music, fade to black

[2021-06-11T22:49:08Z] truly evil

[2021-06-11T22:49:40Z] actually, I guess I could turn you into a red hat

[2021-06-11T22:49:46Z] :thinking:

[2021-06-11T22:50:10Z] now that's evil