2021-04-24T01:16:11 #kisslinux ...huh, Google Groups still uses their OG logo

2021-04-24T01:16:20 #kisslinux https://groups.google.com/forum/google.png

2021-04-24T01:25:47 #kisslinux any of you wanting to tinker with old or low-level X stuff might find this useful

2021-04-24T01:25:50 #kisslinux http://lesstif.sourceforge.net/doc/super-ux/g1ae03e/part1/contents.html

2021-04-24T01:26:04 #kisslinux NEC docs detailing working with Xt and Xaw

2021-04-24T01:28:01 #kisslinux looks like there are accompanying docs for internal X stuff, too.

2021-04-24T01:28:07 #kisslinux * midfavila whistles

2021-04-24T01:34:19 #kisslinux I'm surprised Google hasn't shut down Groups yet.

2021-04-24T01:36:06 #kisslinux I honestly wish that they would

2021-04-24T01:36:15 #kisslinux There are so many spammers on USENET because of Groups

2021-04-24T01:38:48 #kisslinux man, you know that docs are old when they call DES secure...

2021-04-24T03:05:13 #kisslinux testuser_: chromium seems to work fine

2021-04-24T04:10:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi

2021-04-24T04:10:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice

2021-04-24T08:14:24 #kisslinux o/

2021-04-24T08:14:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi

2021-04-24T08:14:41 #kisslinux so, there's no /var/log/boot.log file

2021-04-24T08:15:02 #kisslinux so I have no idea why it just stops when it tries to "load linux"

2021-04-24T08:15:12 #kisslinux how do I ensure a boot.log file?

2021-04-24T08:23:30 #kisslinux do I have to manually install syslog?

2021-04-24T08:39:23 #kisslinux no I don't, how do I ensure syslog is doing it's thing during bootup?

2021-04-24T09:05:09 #kisslinux ok, I think I've enabled debuging messages in the kernel so hopefully I should see more information

2021-04-24T09:14:23 #kisslinux Nothing is showing... bah I have to go out any way

2021-04-24T09:14:28 #kisslinux I'll come back later

2021-04-24T13:57:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/commit/79e8df83dd3ff34c5d527c6320940292289af570

2021-04-24T13:58:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> finally

2021-04-24T13:58:57 #kisslinux woohoo!

2021-04-24T14:04:53 #kisslinux f i n a l l y

2021-04-24T16:42:02 #kisslinux back

2021-04-24T17:17:32 #kisslinux Wooooooo, now we only need one garbage toolkit to build our garbage browser!

2021-04-24T17:17:57 #kisslinux * midfavila blows on a vuvuzela

2021-04-24T17:23:37 #kisslinux ?

2021-04-24T17:24:05 #kisslinux thermatix: firefox now only depends on gtk+3, and not on gtk+2

2021-04-24T17:24:11 #kisslinux GTK3 is awful, as is firefucks. simple as.

2021-04-24T17:24:18 #kisslinux oh

2021-04-24T17:24:23 #kisslinux k

2021-04-24T17:26:15 #kisslinux how do I figure out why kiss get's stuck on loading linux?

2021-04-24T17:26:21 #kisslinux there's no boot logs

2021-04-24T17:26:22 #kisslinux like

2021-04-24T17:26:23 #kisslinux at all

2021-04-24T17:26:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Does KISS get stuck on "loading linux" or the bootloader get stuck on loading KISS ?

2021-04-24T17:27:32 #kisslinux I see

2021-04-24T17:27:45 #kisslinux "Loading linux "

2021-04-24T17:27:51 #kisslinux and that's it

2021-04-24T17:28:09 #kisslinux also I dropped a small networking switch on my foot earlier

2021-04-24T17:28:13 #kisslinux it still hurts :(

2021-04-24T17:28:27 #kisslinux but yeah, just that

2021-04-24T17:28:33 #kisslinux want to see a pic of the message?

2021-04-24T17:28:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Well that's an issue with the bootloader

2021-04-24T17:28:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you pass root= as a parameter

2021-04-24T17:29:16 #kisslinux ?

2021-04-24T17:29:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> root=/dev/something is a kernel parameter

2021-04-24T17:29:49 #kisslinux I don't know

2021-04-24T17:30:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It probably gets stuck cuz you haven't told the kernel where your root is

2021-04-24T17:30:06 #kisslinux thermatix: you'd have to figure out if it's actually hanging or just not displaying antyhing

2021-04-24T17:30:20 #kisslinux if the kernel didnt' know where ROOTFS was it would display an error like 'cannot sync bla bla bla'

2021-04-24T17:30:21 #kisslinux if root wasn't specified the kernel would panic

2021-04-24T17:30:32 #kisslinux meaning there must have been an issue loading the kernel

2021-04-24T17:30:40 #kisslinux first off, what bootloader are you using

2021-04-24T17:30:46 #kisslinux grub

2021-04-24T17:30:50 #kisslinux that explains it.

2021-04-24T17:30:51 #kisslinux hng

2021-04-24T17:31:00 #kisslinux my solution to anyone who uses grub is

2021-04-24T17:31:00 #kisslinux I didn't have to do this on the VM

2021-04-24T17:31:01 #kisslinux "don't"

2021-04-24T17:31:08 #kisslinux KISS is now efistub only distro

2021-04-24T17:31:17 #kisslinux use literally anything aside from grub.

2021-04-24T17:31:22 #kisslinux it's absolute trash.

2021-04-24T17:31:32 #kisslinux even though kiss install says to use grub?

2021-04-24T17:31:35 #kisslinux lol

2021-04-24T17:31:37 #kisslinux abs(trash) if you will

2021-04-24T17:31:43 #kisslinux and who gives a shit what the install says lmfao

2021-04-24T17:31:49 #kisslinux you can use whatever you want

2021-04-24T17:31:57 #kisslinux bootloader's a bootloader's a bootloader.

2021-04-24T17:32:32 #kisslinux we need to know a few things. is it BIOS or UEFI, what graphics card you have and how you've configured its drivers etc with the kernel, the kernel commandline, how you installed grub

2021-04-24T17:32:41 #kisslinux and your partition layout a la lsblk

2021-04-24T17:33:00 #kisslinux graphics cards are a pain.

2021-04-24T17:33:11 #kisslinux i've never been able to load firmware from the filesystem on KISS.

2021-04-24T17:33:18 #kisslinux my laptop has a ryzen 7 4700u so no seperate GPU

2021-04-24T17:33:30 #kisslinux okay, but you still need the chipset firmware

2021-04-24T17:33:34 #kisslinux got that

2021-04-24T17:33:45 #kisslinux try compiling it and the GPU driver into your kernel.

2021-04-24T17:36:02 #kisslinux if I compile the kernel with CONFIG_EFI_STUB=y do I only need to follow the efibootmgr bit on -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFISTUB

2021-04-24T17:36:15 #kisslinux no idea. I don't touch that stuff

2021-04-24T17:36:19 #kisslinux dilyn, tag, you're in

2021-04-24T17:37:43 #kisslinux and then I can get rid of grub?

2021-04-24T17:38:43 #kisslinux well, you're replacing it with another bootloader, so yeah

2021-04-24T17:39:27 #kisslinux ah, already compiled it with EFI_STUB

2021-04-24T17:42:01 #kisslinux /

2021-04-24T17:42:03 #kisslinux fuck

2021-04-24T17:42:22 #kisslinux 2021-04-24T17:42:28 #kisslinux there, balance has been restored

2021-04-24T17:42:30 #kisslinux namaste

2021-04-24T17:43:02 #kisslinux lol

2021-04-24T17:43:06 #kisslinux also I don't think the root thing is the problem

2021-04-24T17:43:20 #kisslinux grub  is correctly setting the root to the correct /dev

2021-04-24T17:43:26 #kisslinux hence the suggestion to compile drivers and firmware into the kernel.

2021-04-24T17:44:53 #kisslinux ^ personally I just think its a graphics issue

2021-04-24T17:45:35 #kisslinux but if you are using efi, grub just uses efibootmgr anyways. the only good reason to use grub is 1) you are proficient with it, or 2) you need it for something like windows. and even then I don't think it's necessary, if windows boots sanely with UEFI...

2021-04-24T17:46:32 #kisslinux if you want to just use efibootmgr and skip grub, you need efistub enabled in the kernel. then, you just need to make an efivar using efibootmgr so your UEFI firmware can exec it

2021-04-24T17:48:06 #kisslinux like this -> # efibootmgr -c -d /dev/sda -p 1 -L "ArchLinux" -l vmlinuz-linux -u "root=/dev/sda2 rw initrd=/initramfs-linux.img"

2021-04-24T17:48:14 #kisslinux whoops meant to wrap that in ticks

2021-04-24T17:48:19 #kisslinux lol

2021-04-24T17:48:28 #kisslinux so if you aren't using initramfs don't include the initrd part

2021-04-24T17:49:02 #kisslinux I'm guesting replace-L "ArchLinux" with -L "Kiss" ?

2021-04-24T17:49:02 #kisslinux and the -l 'path' is relative to your EFI partition, not your rootfs partition. so from that line, I expect vmlinuz-linux to be in /boot

2021-04-24T17:49:15 #kisslinux L can be whatever you want

2021-04-24T17:49:51 #kisslinux so... -l '/boot/vmlinuz-linux' ?

2021-04-24T17:50:02 #kisslinux since I mounted my efi partition on /boot2021-04-24T17:50:12 #kisslinux s///

2021-04-24T17:50:12 #kisslinux since I mounted my efi partition on /boot2021-04-24T17:50:18 #kisslinux s///

2021-04-24T17:50:18 #kisslinux since I mounted my efi partition on /boot

2021-04-24T17:50:32 #kisslinux no, it's just -l vmlinuz-linux

2021-04-24T17:50:54 #kisslinux for instance I mount /dev/sda1 to /boot, and /boot looks like /boot/efi/KISS/vmlinuz.efi

2021-04-24T17:51:02 #kisslinux so my -l is efiKISSvmlinuz.efi

2021-04-24T17:51:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Dilyn have you tried building clang with LTO

2021-04-24T17:52:12 #kisslinux mmhm

2021-04-24T17:52:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The resultant package on my machine is ~650mb installed..

2021-04-24T17:52:31 #kisslinux YUPP!

2021-04-24T17:52:34 #kisslinux :3

2021-04-24T17:52:47 #kisslinux kiss size llvm: 922MB

2021-04-24T17:52:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hmm

2021-04-24T17:53:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Why is it so fat

2021-04-24T17:53:21 #kisslinux because LLVM is one big boi

2021-04-24T17:53:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Almost double lol

2021-04-24T17:53:50 #kisslinux wyverkiss' regular LLVM is about the same size as gcc+binutils, so that ones fine

2021-04-24T17:54:07 #kisslinux I have no idea why LTO or PGO'd llvm/clang are so much bigger tho. especially since LTO is supposed to slim it down

2021-04-24T17:54:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you do thin lto or full lto ?

2021-04-24T17:54:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I am using gcc so it's full

2021-04-24T17:55:23 #kisslinux thin

2021-04-24T17:55:32 #kisslinux hm let's try full!

2021-04-24T17:55:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Add ffat-lto-objects to that, will probably grow to 2gb

2021-04-24T17:58:29 #kisslinux we actually don't use the f-word any more

2021-04-24T17:58:33 #kisslinux they're instead objects of size

2021-04-24T17:58:57 #kisslinux thicc-lto-objects

2021-04-24T17:59:03 #kisslinux DILYN

2021-04-24T17:59:09 #kisslinux do NOT objectify them!

2021-04-24T18:00:00 #kisslinux i can't help it

2021-04-24T18:00:17 #kisslinux a classic case of internalized linking

2021-04-24T18:00:19 #kisslinux absolutely disgusting

2021-04-24T18:00:51 #kisslinux men only want one thing - tiny optimized statically linked binaries

2021-04-24T18:00:54 #kisslinux and it's fucking disgusting

2021-04-24T18:01:18 #kisslinux exactly right.

2021-04-24T18:02:43 #kisslinux it's not about whether your disk is large enough to accomodate them

2021-04-24T18:02:52 #kisslinux it's about whether it's right to do so

2021-04-24T18:04:02 #kisslinux also, wow, garlic and soy sauce go fantastically together. made some rice for the first time in ages this morning

2021-04-24T18:04:19 #kisslinux put that little concoction on a salad

2021-04-24T18:04:21 #kisslinux it's delicious

2021-04-24T18:04:42 #kisslinux salads are lame.

2021-04-24T18:04:57 #kisslinux then again, most "salads" around here are one of two things

2021-04-24T18:05:15 #kisslinux either a) dripping with so much oil and dressing that it completely eliminates any health benefits

2021-04-24T18:05:27 #kisslinux or b) literally just a head of lettuce with some nuts

2021-04-24T18:10:22 #kisslinux do I need to include all the microcode blobs or just the one for my cpu? plus do I need the .bin.asc file?

2021-04-24T18:11:01 #kisslinux GPU, not CPU

2021-04-24T18:11:18 #kisslinux and I don't particularly know. I don't make a habit of using hardware that requires blobs.

2021-04-24T18:13:01 #kisslinux I'm adding them all in

2021-04-24T18:13:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> iirc the asc file is just a verification thing

2021-04-24T18:13:22 #kisslinux cool

2021-04-24T18:13:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So you can verify your blob didn't break in download

2021-04-24T18:13:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Just cat the asc file and confirm

2021-04-24T18:14:21 #kisslinux there's a PGP sig in the file so yeah you're right

2021-04-24T18:14:39 #kisslinux also, do I also need the non fam specific microcode_amd.bin file?

2021-04-24T18:15:37 #kisslinux I'm going to go with yes

2021-04-24T18:15:46 #kisslinux ... no wait

2021-04-24T18:16:27 #kisslinux yeah I think you do

2021-04-24T18:17:42 #kisslinux you only need the one microcode for your CPU family, I don't know about the microcode_amd.bin

2021-04-24T18:17:56 #kisslinux I haven't looked into microcode yet for this new system, not sure if I want to bother tbh

2021-04-24T18:18:06 #kisslinux i don't bother with microcode

2021-04-24T18:18:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It just works

2021-04-24T18:18:13 #kisslinux but muh spectre

2021-04-24T18:18:34 #kisslinux there are mitigations for that in software, if you've really affected by that

2021-04-24T18:18:38 #kisslinux at least, I think there is...

2021-04-24T18:18:39 #kisslinux linking libllvm with full lto takes for bloody ever

2021-04-24T18:18:46 #kisslinux I know some stuff have software mitigations

2021-04-24T18:18:47 #kisslinux 6gb ram usage, still climbing. jeez

2021-04-24T18:18:51 #kisslinux >only 6gb

2021-04-24T18:18:55 #kisslinux try gfortran

2021-04-24T18:19:00 #kisslinux noty

2021-04-24T18:19:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I accidentally built half of chromium with lto and the final link took an hour to fail and took ~25gb of ram peak

2021-04-24T18:19:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> (Swap)

2021-04-24T18:20:34 #kisslinux hot diggity good gawd

2021-04-24T18:22:12 #kisslinux lol

2021-04-24T18:22:15 #kisslinux also damn

2021-04-24T18:22:36 #kisslinux gfortran oom'd me with 64gb of usable memory

2021-04-24T18:22:38 #kisslinux goml

2021-04-24T18:23:00 #kisslinux seriously though, I have no idea why it needs that much

2021-04-24T18:23:17 #kisslinux because fortran 5head compiler

2021-04-24T18:23:17 #kisslinux chromium I can almost understand

2021-04-24T18:23:47 #kisslinux it actually turned your PC into a zombie it was using to help calculate the fifth ramsey number

2021-04-24T18:23:51 #kisslinux gz gnu played u

2021-04-24T18:23:57 #kisslinux fuck

2021-04-24T18:32:54 #kisslinux full lto llvm is 18MB smaller than thin lto

2021-04-24T18:32:55 #kisslinux #value

2021-04-24T18:37:28 #kisslinux so turns out you don't need the .sbin files in the amd directory

2021-04-24T18:53:11 #kisslinux yay!

2021-04-24T18:53:14 #kisslinux I mean

2021-04-24T18:53:24 #kisslinux it didn't fully boot but it got further so yay?

2021-04-24T18:53:44 #kisslinux further is better

2021-04-24T18:54:27 #kisslinux yay

2021-04-24T18:54:37 #kisslinux I forgot to update the fstab file

2021-04-24T18:54:48 #kisslinux that'd do it

2021-04-24T18:54:52 #kisslinux it wouldn't

2021-04-24T18:55:01 #kisslinux YAY

2021-04-24T18:55:04 #kisslinux oh

2021-04-24T18:55:09 #kisslinux I can do stuff!

2021-04-24T18:55:13 #kisslinux am confused

2021-04-24T18:55:16 #kisslinux yay!

2021-04-24T18:55:31 #kisslinux the fstab helps depending on how far he got, i suppose

2021-04-24T18:55:37 #kisslinux if he got to getty then an fstab helps

2021-04-24T18:56:01 #kisslinux I had the boot partition pointing to /boot/efi (where it was on the VM) and forgot to update to where it is on the laptop (/boot)

2021-04-24T18:56:08 #kisslinux but other then that it's doing something

2021-04-24T18:56:14 #kisslinux I mean, I can do stuff

2021-04-24T18:56:18 #kisslinux like log in

2021-04-24T18:56:33 #kisslinux then you're in!

2021-04-24T18:58:18 #kisslinux yeah... how do I do wifi stuff from the commandline?

2021-04-24T18:58:22 #kisslinux and how do I check the wifi worked?

2021-04-24T18:58:31 #kisslinux I mean that I got to the correct blob

2021-04-24T19:00:33 #kisslinux ip link would say something more than just lo

2021-04-24T19:01:23 #kisslinux as for setting up wifi, https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/software/wpa_supplicant

2021-04-24T19:01:36 #kisslinux or, kiss-help wiki/software/wpa_supplicant

2021-04-24T19:01:47 #kisslinux hi, so i've just installed kiss and i'm getting an error when compiling which says that i'm missing ncursesw/ncurses.h. i have the ncurses.h file in /usr/include an

2021-04-24T19:01:50 #kisslinux d i found a thread about it on the subreddit, but i still can't figure it out. mak

2021-04-24T19:01:58 #kisslinux thanks @dilyn

2021-04-24T19:02:02 #kisslinux what are you trying to build nodezsh?

2021-04-24T19:02:25 #kisslinux ofc thermatix. wiki has basically everything you need to get started beyond the install guide

2021-04-24T19:02:32 #kisslinux oops didn't mean to send it like that

2021-04-24T19:03:21 #kisslinux i'm trying to build stfl and i'm getting an error related to ncurses

2021-04-24T19:04:06 #kisslinux nodezsh did you try building ncurses via kiss b?

2021-04-24T19:04:24 #kisslinux yes i also tried to rebuild it again

2021-04-24T19:05:07 #kisslinux and then kiss i

2021-04-24T19:06:01 #kisslinux yes i have it installed but when i'm trying to build stfl it says i'm missing ncursesw/ncurses.h

2021-04-24T19:06:06 #kisslinux do I need to the wheel group for the wfii thing?

2021-04-24T19:06:08 #kisslinux hmmmm

2021-04-24T19:07:08 #kisslinux thermatix: per arch wiki: Setting ctrl_interface_group=wheel allows users belonging to such group to execute wpa_cli.

2021-04-24T19:07:21 #kisslinux in your wpa_supplicant.conf file

2021-04-24T19:07:32 #kisslinux so if I use say group wifi it will cause issues with other parts of wpa?

2021-04-24T19:08:20 #kisslinux nodezsh: our ncurses collapses ncursesw files straight into /usr/include with the rest of 'em

2021-04-24T19:09:02 #kisslinux so either patch stfl to look for <ncurses.h> instead, or change the ncurses package to install them to $1/usr/include/ncursesw

2021-04-24T19:09:26 #kisslinux wym?

2021-04-24T19:09:51 #kisslinux you don't need to be in any special group to use wifi, you just need to be in whatever the ctrl_interface_group is set to in order to RUN wpa_cli

2021-04-24T19:10:04 #kisslinux or just be root

2021-04-24T19:10:07 #kisslinux ok i'll look into it thanks

2021-04-24T19:10:21 #kisslinux I just have wpa_supplicant run at boot from /etc/rc.d, it's the 'simplest'

2021-04-24T19:11:25 #kisslinux i'm off until tomorrow folx. ciao

2021-04-24T19:12:48 #kisslinux bb

2021-04-24T19:19:13 #kisslinux gfdi, today was meant to be a thorough review of K&R

2021-04-24T19:19:24 #kisslinux but instead I've spent my afternoon watching anime

2021-04-24T19:21:09 #kisslinux :p

2021-04-24T19:34:11 #kisslinux Please register with NickServ if you're unable to talk.

2021-04-24T19:35:09 #kisslinux booop

2021-04-24T19:35:45 #kisslinux You're good

2021-04-24T19:48:58 #kisslinux Hm, unidentified users won't be able to join. I thought they would be merely unable to send messages.

2021-04-24T19:49:50 #kisslinux so I have no wlan0 interface

2021-04-24T19:50:08 #kisslinux and I have enabled wireless in the kernel

2021-04-24T19:58:22 #kisslinux welp, see yall tommrow

2021-04-24T22:48:57 #kisslinux wow so many matrix bridge users

2021-04-24T22:49:24 #kisslinux ...oh hey, just experienced my first netsplit

2021-04-24T22:49:33 #kisslinux thats impressive lol

2021-04-24T22:49:33 #kisslinux nifterino

2021-04-24T22:49:44 #kisslinux theyve been happening so frequently

2021-04-24T22:53:25 #kisslinux >pale moon works on musl mid

2021-04-24T22:53:34 #kisslinux i've been lied to

2021-04-24T22:53:41 #kisslinux bamboozled

2021-04-24T22:53:42 #kisslinux fooled

2021-04-24T22:53:47 #kisslinux deceived.