2021-04-22T00:36:58 #kisslinux since i joined the mailing lists, ive had an uptick in spam

2021-04-22T00:37:10 #kisslinux cost of doing business i guess

2021-04-22T00:39:10 #kisslinux really? I have never had any spam... and its not like your email isn't public already

2021-04-22T00:40:13 #kisslinux Like, its on your website, suckless.org, etc, there's lots of places a bot could pick it up from

2021-04-22T00:41:02 #kisslinux actually its really only been in the past 3 days, so its probably not the mailing list

2021-04-22T00:41:47 #kisslinux i joined community on the 14th and got my first spam of this type on the 15th

2021-04-22T00:41:55 #kisslinux what's your email host/spam filtration like?

2021-04-22T00:42:15 #kisslinux nonexistent

2021-04-22T00:42:17 #kisslinux the default mailbox.org spam filters have served me fine, and I've put my email in a lot of places

2021-04-22T00:42:23 #kisslinux your email host is nonexistent?

2021-04-22T00:42:43 #kisslinux spam filtering is non-existent, email is hosted on my vps

2021-04-22T00:42:52 #kisslinux ah

2021-04-22T00:43:09 #kisslinux might be time for rspamd or spamassasin or somthing

2021-04-22T00:43:37 #kisslinux i just got rid of rspamd like a month ago, because it everything it was flagging was a false positive

2021-04-22T00:43:51 #kisslinux hmm maybe you just need to tune it better?

2021-04-22T00:43:53 #kisslinux maybe i need to play around with it more

2021-04-22T00:43:53 #kisslinux yeah

2021-04-22T00:44:05 #kisslinux rspamd is used by some pretty major mail providers

2021-04-22T00:44:09 #kisslinux it can be very good when used right

2021-04-22T00:44:29 #kisslinux (including mailbox.org btw)

2021-04-22T00:44:33 #kisslinux its probably overkill for a single-user mail server tbh

2021-04-22T00:44:42 #kisslinux kinda bloat for my use case

2021-04-22T00:45:01 #kisslinux yeah...

2021-04-22T00:45:07 #kisslinux might be worth it to try spamassasin though

2021-04-22T00:45:12 #kisslinux it might just work better with you

2021-04-22T00:45:47 #kisslinux ew spamasasin uses confluence for documentation

2021-04-22T00:46:01 #kisslinux I rescind my reccomendation to give it a try

2021-04-22T00:50:33 #kisslinux if it really gets bad ill find something

2021-04-22T00:53:13 #kisslinux imagine not being part of a time-sharing community that provides free unlimited-use email to all members

2021-04-22T00:53:22 #kisslinux vpslets destroyed

2021-04-22T00:55:17 #kisslinux imagine being at the mercy of one guy to just stop providing you with all those things

2021-04-22T00:55:27 #kisslinux sdflets and tildelets destroyed

2021-04-22T00:55:36 #kisslinux imagine thinking that SDF has a single person in charge of anything

2021-04-22T00:55:37 #kisslinux lmao

2021-04-22T00:55:45 #kisslinux isn't SDF just hoste

2021-04-22T00:55:50 #kisslinux d in some guys house

2021-04-22T00:55:56 #kisslinux not afaik

2021-04-22T00:56:14 #kisslinux they have a portion of a proper data center dedicated to the cluster

2021-04-22T00:57:01 #kisslinux besides, to do anything major with the system, the board has to meet

2021-04-22T00:57:01 #kisslinux and then pass down the suggestion to MetaARPA, who vote on it

2021-04-22T00:57:01 #kisslinux and only then will administrative take action

2021-04-22T00:57:15 #kisslinux see https://sdf.org/?tour

2021-04-22T00:57:50 #kisslinux some guy can just... unplug it

2021-04-22T00:57:59 #kisslinux that's a really shitty argument

2021-04-22T00:58:05 #kisslinux by your logic, anyone can just "unplug" a VPS

2021-04-22T00:58:25 #kisslinux shit, they don't even have to do that much

2021-04-22T00:58:32 #kisslinux ssh into the host machine and kill your VPS.

2021-04-22T00:59:19 #kisslinux sure they can

2021-04-22T00:59:35 #kisslinux I didn't mean that ironically

2021-04-22T00:59:42 #kisslinux sure. they can.

2021-04-22T00:59:51 #kisslinux imagine not having root access to the mail server that you use

2021-04-22T01:00:00 #kisslinux exactly

2021-04-22T01:00:10 #kisslinux (although I'm guilty of that too)

2021-04-22T01:00:18 #kisslinux see, the problem here isn't about root

2021-04-22T01:00:19 #kisslinux I was using that as an example to show control

2021-04-22T01:00:28 #kisslinux "muh root" is convenience and not much else

2021-04-22T01:00:33 #kisslinux the problem is who has access to the hardware

2021-04-22T01:00:35 #kisslinux and as it stands

2021-04-22T01:00:44 #kisslinux proper self-hosting isn't feasible for most people

2021-04-22T01:00:50 #kisslinux especially if you actually have people after you

2021-04-22T01:01:00 #kisslinux most people don't have people after them

2021-04-22T01:01:16 #kisslinux well, lucky fucking them, then

2021-04-22T01:03:33 #kisslinux all I'm saying is that using sdf or a tildeverse makes me feel vulnerable, and even more powerless than using a small commerical provider

2021-04-22T01:03:45 #kisslinux then don't use it!

2021-04-22T01:04:14 #kisslinux okay okay okay

2021-04-22T01:11:02 #kisslinux I did not receive a spam for years

2021-04-22T01:11:26 #kisslinux maybe bc. only email I get is when I send something myself to control if email is still working :/

2021-04-22T01:14:30 #kisslinux so I left self host and got dismail.de, works okay

2021-04-22T01:17:23 #kisslinux I woiuldn't use dismail for the same reasons as above. The sysadmin openly admits there is a bus factor of one

2021-04-22T01:21:12 #kisslinux well google has more people if u prefer numbers :/

2021-04-22T01:22:16 #kisslinux lol

2021-04-22T01:23:56 #kisslinux self hosted is no more reliable

2021-04-22T01:24:03 #kisslinux usually

2021-04-22T01:24:24 #kisslinux even if u don't fail, u can get anytime email from vps that bla bla bla, u did this and that, bye

2021-04-22T01:24:48 #kisslinux true

2021-04-22T01:25:02 #kisslinux and obviously all your emails usually goes to spam in microsoft and google server

2021-04-22T01:25:18 #kisslinux even if u set it up better than both of them

2021-04-22T01:25:24 #kisslinux bc. u uknown

2021-04-22T01:26:05 #kisslinux or better u are not one of them

2021-04-22T01:28:28 #kisslinux at this point i mostly just do it for fun

2021-04-22T01:29:25 #kisslinux of course I did the same

2021-04-22T01:30:24 #kisslinux it's practically not even that hard how is it mentioned around the web

2021-04-22T01:30:57 #kisslinux soon (tm) I'll switch from mailbox.org to selfhosting IMAP

2021-04-22T01:31:05 #kisslinux SMTP i'll still probably outsource

2021-04-22T01:31:08 #kisslinux just for deliverability

2021-04-22T01:31:20 #kisslinux yes, that's the main issue

2021-04-22T01:32:10 #kisslinux but that does not sound much as simple to use even another service for smpt

2021-04-22T01:32:14 #kisslinux smtp

2021-04-22T01:32:32 #kisslinux probably for the same cost as vps

2021-04-22T01:34:04 #kisslinux shit I remember I got even some spam score bc. of some .tld or age of domain

2021-04-22T01:34:55 #kisslinux barracuda thinks my ip address sends out spam for some reason

2021-04-22T01:35:15 #kisslinux they're literally the only spam db thing that lists my ip

2021-04-22T01:44:41 #kisslinux mailgun is pretty much free

2021-04-22T01:44:49 #kisslinux at the rates i'd be using it

2021-04-22T02:03:38 #kisslinux I used it a lot one time

2021-04-22T02:04:13 #kisslinux but then not only some emails just get lost, without any error or anything in log, but ip got sometimes blacklisted

2021-04-22T02:04:34 #kisslinux I had to take care of it, to write mailgun support about it, then they changed ip ...

2021-04-22T02:04:56 #kisslinux so not much reliable that time for me

2021-04-22T02:05:30 #kisslinux but still probably liked it the most from all transactional email providers

2021-04-22T02:05:51 #kisslinux as other were usually full of bullshit

2021-04-22T02:13:06 #kisslinux I reinstalled kiss, and got it to boot, but it stops mid boot and says "fb0: switching to amdgpumfb from EFI VGA"

2021-04-22T02:13:35 #kisslinux How do I fix this and what information should I provide

2021-04-22T03:16:34 #kisslinux "

2021-04-22T03:16:34 #kisslinux PDF forms now support JavaScript embedded in PDF files. Some PDF forms use JavaScript for validation and other interactive features.

2021-04-22T03:16:35 #kisslinux "

2021-04-22T03:16:45 #kisslinux thanks a ton mozilla....

2021-04-22T03:20:22 #kisslinux ah pdfjs.enableScripting in about:config

2021-04-22T03:47:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi

2021-04-22T03:48:36 #kisslinux hi testuser_[m]

2021-04-22T03:48:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: i think my POG LTO gcc is 180mb

2021-04-22T03:49:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> normal is 166

2021-04-22T08:30:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ah nvm i was comparing the wrong GCCs

2021-04-22T08:31:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> a normal (02) multilib gcc is 152MB and the LTO PGO one is 184MB

2021-04-22T08:32:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and a normal non-multilib is 141MB

2021-04-22T10:42:54 #kisslinux Hiii

2021-04-22T10:44:53 #kisslinux hello

2021-04-22T10:44:56 #kisslinux anyone?

2021-04-22T10:45:00 #kisslinux -_-

2021-04-22T10:45:09 #kisslinux hi

2021-04-22T10:45:17 #kisslinux hi

2021-04-22T10:45:21 #kisslinux hello?

2021-04-22T10:45:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh

2021-04-22T10:46:50 #kisslinux I am kind of here, but not yetv a k1ss user... more of a general systemd hater looking into various alternatives

2021-04-22T10:47:42 #kisslinux hi

2021-04-22T10:48:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi

2021-04-22T10:56:18 #kisslinux ok boost looks for libicudata.so with a specific version, so the icu update broke many things for me

2021-04-22T10:56:26 #kisslinux it couldn't find the old version

2021-04-22T10:56:39 #kisslinux that seems wrong

2021-04-22T10:56:43 #kisslinux that shouldn't be a problem

2021-04-22T10:56:44 #kisslinux right?

2021-04-22T10:57:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> icu breaks everything, didnt know boost links to icu since its not mentioned in deps file

2021-04-22T10:57:40 #kisslinux arghh

2021-04-22T10:58:29 #kisslinux testuser_[m]: it is in depends

2021-04-22T11:00:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> not in community repo, i guess it optionally links to it if installed

2021-04-22T11:01:31 #kisslinux ah yeah

2021-04-22T11:01:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what do you have icu installed for anyways

2021-04-22T11:02:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its only required by webkit and depends

2021-04-22T11:02:07 #kisslinux miktex :(

2021-04-22T11:02:15 #kisslinux shouldn't boost use the symlinkssss

2021-04-22T11:03:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> icu abi breaks with every release anyways

2021-04-22T11:03:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so it'd be broken even if it used the .so symlink instead of .so.68

2021-04-22T11:04:12 #kisslinux would static compilation/linking help?

2021-04-22T11:08:24 #kisslinux miktex on linux?

2021-04-22T11:16:19 #kisslinux yea

2021-04-22T11:16:26 #kisslinux not much fun

2021-04-22T11:38:47 #kisslinux reinstalling rn :)

2021-04-22T11:43:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why?

2021-04-22T11:54:46 #kisslinux because the filesystems were broke

2021-04-22T13:14:20 #kisslinux Dang my kernel sure is bloated, 1200 =y 's

2021-04-22T13:15:00 #kisslinux ... and 48 =m

2021-04-22T13:15:40 #kisslinux Maybe I can strip away some more stuff, but I want all internals to either be functional or modularized on discretion

2021-04-22T14:47:11 #kisslinux you could also build a kernel with all the stuff you use rarely stripped out, which you would use as your daily driver while keeping your current kernel for backup. this way, all the functionality you could possibly need would be a reboot away.

2021-04-22T14:54:38 #kisslinux man, I really need to learn awk

2021-04-22T14:54:59 #kisslinux i just spent the past few minutes writing an abomination of a shell script to set system time over HTTPS

2021-04-22T14:55:38 #kisslinux why is a shellscript an abomination?

2021-04-22T14:56:28 #kisslinux I mean, where should I start?

2021-04-22T14:56:32 #kisslinux because it first uses a case statement as a lookup table to convert from human-readable months to numeric months, then uses a for loop to run a six-command pipeline to extract the day, year, and month

2021-04-22T14:56:44 #kisslinux er, time

2021-04-22T14:56:48 #kisslinux not month

2021-04-22T14:56:48 #kisslinux fuck

2021-04-22T14:57:02 #kisslinux anyway, point is, it's extremely redundant in a bad way

2021-04-22T14:57:09 #kisslinux but at least it works, and at least it's not ntp

2021-04-22T15:00:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> where are you getting time from if not an ntp server somewhere?

2021-04-22T15:01:07 #kisslinux extracting it from an https header

2021-04-22T15:01:19 #kisslinux converting it to date's format

2021-04-22T15:01:47 #kisslinux in my case i'm just piggybacking off of SDF

2021-04-22T15:02:12 #kisslinux but the important thing isn't whether there's an NTP server somewhere down the line, the important thing is that I'm not connecting to one

2021-04-22T15:02:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you make a web request to a specific server and then parse the headers of the response?

2021-04-22T15:02:23 #kisslinux that's the gist of it

2021-04-22T15:04:24 #kisslinux cron is set to run it at midnight so it should, in theory, keep me close enough to UTC, if not in lockstep.

2021-04-22T15:07:25 #kisslinux lol i have to ask, why not just use ntp?

2021-04-22T15:08:54 #kisslinux Well, in this case, it's a case of "I don't want to install more programs than needed"

2021-04-22T15:09:21 #kisslinux but i've also heard that there's potential security issues with NTP.

2021-04-22T15:09:27 #kisslinux still reading about that bit

2021-04-22T15:10:54 #kisslinux ah gotcha, yeah power to you then, interesting way to set system time for sure

2021-04-22T15:12:41 #kisslinux ideally we'd all have atomic clocks wired into our machines

2021-04-22T15:12:50 #kisslinux but uh, I feel like that's not particularly feasible

2021-04-22T15:12:56 #kisslinux so this will do in the meantime

2021-04-22T15:46:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://computer.rip/2021-04-12-seeing-time.html

2021-04-22T15:47:52 #kisslinux >Computers are Bad

2021-04-22T15:47:59 #kisslinux hello, based department

2021-04-22T16:09:39 #kisslinux https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=nvVafMi0l68

2021-04-22T16:10:11 #kisslinux for once LTT puts out a video that's not cringe

2021-04-22T17:16:58 #kisslinux i have a somewhat insane idea

2021-04-22T17:17:05 #kisslinux KISS on an old e-reader

2021-04-22T19:39:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i have an old laptop, dell precision 3520, whose drive is password protected and i forget the password :'(

2021-04-22T19:39:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it'd be the most powerful machine i have if i could actually boot it up

2021-04-22T19:45:15 #kisslinux you can't just swap the drive?

2021-04-22T19:46:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't have a drive to put in its place

2021-04-22T19:46:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> been booting a lubuntu usb up lol

2021-04-22T19:47:26 #kisslinux wipe the drive, then? idk

2021-04-22T20:04:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it uses Mcafee EPE

2021-04-22T20:05:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't think wiping or mounting can be done bleh

2021-04-22T21:13:49 #kisslinux new disk drives just showed up

2021-04-22T21:13:57 #kisslinux turns out that they do, in fact, need special cables

2021-04-22T21:14:03 #kisslinux why did you lie to me, internet?

2021-04-22T21:41:02 #kisslinux noocsharp: more spam, you say? not from me I'd hope...

2021-04-22T21:41:14 #kisslinux it's all from you, dilyn

2021-04-22T21:41:17 #kisslinux :'(

2021-04-22T21:42:26 #kisslinux stop assaulting people with meat substitute

2021-04-22T21:42:44 #kisslinux unbecoming of a dictator

2021-04-22T21:46:08 #kisslinux what else am I gonna do with this botnet mid come on

2021-04-22T21:47:09 #kisslinux mine bitcoin

2021-04-22T21:47:13 #kisslinux fucking obviously

2021-04-22T21:47:28 #kisslinux hm

2021-04-22T21:47:39 #kisslinux what's a dictator without a cheap and reliable source of income that they can force regular people into acquiring for them through force

2021-04-22T23:10:05 #kisslinux ...I can't believe I only just noticed that I said "force regular people into acquiring through force"...

2021-04-22T23:10:14 #kisslinux I need to pay attention to what I'm typing. Christ.

2021-04-22T23:14:04 #kisslinux i pay attention to the things i pay attention paying to

2021-04-22T23:14:57 #kisslinux right, I'll have to try that next time I'm trying