2021-04-21T00:01:14 #kisslinux hmm aschaefers is the most active member of the community by commits
2021-04-21T00:01:24 #kisslinux after Dylan, that is
2021-04-21T00:01:53 #kisslinux although thats a pretty crappy measure
2021-04-21T00:16:46 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> dilyn: what's the deal with installing licenses in community packages
2021-04-21T00:28:43 #kisslinux phoebos[m]: not dilyn ofc, but a lot of the packages on my system do intall licenses as per their makefiles
2021-04-21T00:29:15 #kisslinux so if you just do make DESTDIR=$1/usr, then they will automatically put licenses in
2021-04-21T00:29:25 #kisslinux not sure for packages that don't do that though
2021-04-21T00:30:12 #kisslinux anecdotaly, 20/26 of the packages in this chroot have a license installed
2021-04-21T00:30:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> aye, just wondering if it's the done thing to manually install ones that don't do that
2021-04-21T00:38:42 #kisslinux wdym?
2021-04-21T00:39:00 #kisslinux as acheam said, a lot of build systems install their licenses as part of make
2021-04-21T00:40:01 #kisslinux there's no explicit 'yes|no' on whether a user wants to include a license; they probably should for, say, binary packages (in fact we{me} should probably do more to comply with licenses if I'm being frank)
2021-04-21T00:40:58 #kisslinux I do it in my own repo because... /shrug, and I won't make a judgement on forcing it unless some zealous fsf agent yells long enough and loud enough about lawyers
2021-04-21T00:41:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ok
2021-04-21T00:42:21 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> just like if there was a standard for community packages
2021-04-21T00:42:44 #kisslinux nothing has ever been specified, but I don't think a package has ever been denied because it had an install line specifically for the license
2021-04-21T00:43:42 #kisslinux 3 packages install their licenses (dzen, github-cli, gnu-efi), one rm's it lmfao
2021-04-21T00:45:14 #kisslinux someone really hates licenses
2021-04-21T00:45:33 #kisslinux talk about Free software
2021-04-21T00:45:41 #kisslinux I remember the first sr.ht issue I opened was asking for "UNLICENSE" to be recognized as a LICENSE file... boy was I in for a ride
2021-04-21T00:45:52 #kisslinux kek
2021-04-21T00:46:02 #kisslinux I wanna read that shitshow pls
2021-04-21T00:48:33 #kisslinux hmm maybe "in for a ride" was an overstatement
2021-04-21T00:48:34 #kisslinux https://todo.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/git.sr.ht/332
2021-04-21T00:49:06 #kisslinux he responded in literally 30 seconds which was impressive
2021-04-21T00:51:25 #kisslinux >Your distaste for software licensing has been noted.
2021-04-21T00:51:36 #kisslinux drew devault original
2021-04-21T00:52:38 #kisslinux Hearing him say that made me feel recognized and acnowleged, I know that he thinks of me every time he creates a new LICENSE file
2021-04-21T00:52:44 #kisslinux (/s)
2021-04-21T00:55:20 #kisslinux Like, I do agree with him on that decision, but that's just plain rude
2021-04-21T00:55:53 #kisslinux Anyway, I don't really feel comfortable discussing Drew's shitshows here in a publicly logged channel
2021-04-21T00:56:26 #kisslinux lol you think he's gonna come after you?
2021-04-21T00:56:35 #kisslinux I got an PR comment my first package to remove the install command for the license. I didn't care either way
2021-04-21T00:56:36 #kisslinux we can make #kisslinux-drewchat
2021-04-21T00:56:36 #kisslinux its more just bad form
2021-04-21T00:56:52 #kisslinux (/s)
2021-04-21T00:56:59 #kisslinux there are worse things
2021-04-21T00:57:34 #kisslinux acheam: nah. I don't think it's appropriate to needlessly and repeatedly bash someone here, even if they are being a jerk somewhere else, because doing so is being almost as jerk-y as them imo
2021-04-21T00:58:38 #kisslinux that's fair
2021-04-21T00:58:53 #kisslinux he does come up a lot here
2021-04-21T00:59:00 #kisslinux because he's so great
2021-04-21T00:59:28 #kisslinux 52! times according to logbot
2021-04-21T00:59:32 #kisslinux ehr
2021-04-21T00:59:34 #kisslinux not 52!
2021-04-21T00:59:38 #kisslinux that would be a lot
2021-04-21T00:59:39 #kisslinux that would be alot
2021-04-21T00:59:40 #kisslinux lol
2021-04-21T01:00:40 #kisslinux oh man factorials get big quick
2021-04-21T01:00:52 #kisslinux yes
2021-04-21T01:01:25 #kisslinux (wait till acheam hear's of ackermann's function)
2021-04-21T01:01:29 #kisslinux hears
2021-04-21T01:01:39 #kisslinux * acheam quickly searches for it
2021-04-21T01:01:52 #kisslinux http://0x0.st/-AkO.c
2021-04-21T01:01:52 #kisslinux or graham's number
2021-04-21T01:02:09 #kisslinux ackermann's is an awesome way to benchmark a language
2021-04-21T01:02:19 #kisslinux because of the massive stack depth used while calculating it
2021-04-21T01:02:35 #kisslinux woah
2021-04-21T01:02:43 #kisslinux thats big
2021-04-21T01:02:47 #kisslinux well, it doesn't test everything, but it tests the function calling stuff very well
2021-04-21T01:02:51 #kisslinux kiedtl: did you try it with drewlang?
2021-04-21T01:03:01 #kisslinux i swear that wasn't intentional to bring him up again
2021-04-21T01:03:11 #kisslinux acheam: I don't expect to see much of any difference between drewlang and C
2021-04-21T01:03:16 #kisslinux just on the train of thought of you, and testing languages
2021-04-21T01:03:29 #kisslinux They both compile down to pretty much the same assembly instructions
2021-04-21T01:03:32 #kisslinux interesting
2021-04-21T01:03:37 #kisslinux For compiled languages, it's pretty much the same
2021-04-21T01:03:46 #kisslinux things get interesting when you benchmark interpreted languages
2021-04-21T01:03:52 #kisslinux that's when I found out how fast Lua is
2021-04-21T01:04:01 #kisslinux dilyn: uhh I was much happier before I started reading the wikipedia page on grahams number
2021-04-21T01:04:24 #kisslinux https://0x0.st/--3s.txt
2021-04-21T01:04:54 #kisslinux lol bash
2021-04-21T01:05:20 #kisslinux numbers are #cool
2021-04-21T01:05:27 #kisslinux that's pretty impressive actually
2021-04-21T01:05:30 #kisslinux that's ackermann(3, 3)
2021-04-21T01:05:41 #kisslinux yeah sh are all super slow lol
2021-04-21T01:05:50 #kisslinux I need to learn some bc
2021-04-21T01:06:01 #kisslinux no just learn more about numbers
2021-04-21T01:06:13 #kisslinux you've heard of gaussian integers, but have you heard of drumroll eisenstein integers?
2021-04-21T01:06:26 #kisslinux * kiedtl climbs back out of the rabbithole
2021-04-21T01:07:36 #kisslinux * acheam groans
2021-04-21T01:07:38 #kisslinux i'm gonna go back to working on adding zfs support to tinyramfs, now that I have a laptop to test on...
2021-04-21T01:08:27 #kisslinux interesting GNU bc allows you to restrict it to POSIX and to let it warn you when you use a GNU extension
2021-04-21T01:08:38 #kisslinux WHY ISN'T MORE SOFTWARE LIKE THIS
2021-04-21T01:09:10 #kisslinux bc is useless imo
2021-04-21T01:09:19 #kisslinux why wouldn't you just use lua or a Real Language?
2021-04-21T01:10:05 #kisslinux well right now I use python with "from math import *"
2021-04-21T01:10:12 #kisslinux so this feels like that but more posixy
2021-04-21T01:10:19 #kisslinux well, there's the infinite precision that bc has...
2021-04-21T01:11:14 #kisslinux I remember feeling so proud of myself when I figured out how to calculate pi in bc lmfao
2021-04-21T01:11:20 #kisslinux (4 * a(1/5) - a(1/239)) * 4
2021-04-21T01:11:35 #kisslinux i think
2021-04-21T01:13:22 #kisslinux that's impressive
2021-04-21T01:13:49 #kisslinux i'll stick with 22/7 though :)
2021-04-21T01:15:02 #kisslinux machin's is more accurate :>
2021-04-21T01:15:29 #kisslinux so it turs out i didn't like bc before because I didn't know about the -l option
2021-04-21T01:32:32 #kisslinux kiedtl: i hate to break it to you but 4*a(1) does the job too
2021-04-21T01:32:59 #kisslinux ha
2021-04-21T01:33:32 #kisslinux a is just arctan
2021-04-21T01:35:59 #kisslinux god damn it
2021-04-21T01:36:09 #kisslinux I just remembered what I had to ask noocsharp
2021-04-21T01:37:06 #kisslinux ask away
2021-04-21T01:38:53 #kisslinux oh I was just curious about your contributions to quark
2021-04-21T01:39:23 #kisslinux and what you think about it, especially given that you use obsd httpd now
2021-04-21T01:39:30 #kisslinux i have made 1 contribution to quark and it was trivial
2021-04-21T01:40:00 #kisslinux oh ha
2021-04-21T01:40:04 #kisslinux I just saw you in the license file
2021-04-21T01:40:12 #kisslinux ill switch to it as soon as there's a release
2021-04-21T01:40:14 #kisslinux and assumes you were an esteemed contributor or something
2021-04-21T01:40:15 #kisslinux lol
2021-04-21T01:40:56 #kisslinux it doesn't look like its being super actively worked on?
2021-04-21T01:41:02 #kisslinux no commits since feb
2021-04-21T01:41:55 #kisslinux i think there are usually big gaps between public commits, but when they happen they are big
2021-04-21T01:44:10 #kisslinux the advantage i see to quark compared to obsd httpd is just hackability
2021-04-21T01:44:52 #kisslinux like i can probably pretty quickly write a quark patch that will upgrade insecure requests if a browser asks for it, but with httpd im stuck with using what it supports
2021-04-21T01:49:49 #kisslinux seems to be a common theme with suckless software :)
2021-04-21T01:53:42 #kisslinux indeed
2021-04-21T03:14:03 #kisslinux fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking hell
2021-04-21T03:14:17 #kisslinux i've spent the past five hours rebuilding my computer
2021-04-21T03:14:29 #kisslinux and my back is killing me. is this what being old feels like
2021-04-21T03:19:23 #kisslinux yes
2021-04-21T03:19:50 #kisslinux fuck
2021-04-21T03:19:57 #kisslinux not even twenty and already geriatric
2021-04-21T03:25:00 #kisslinux why on earth are you having to do this
2021-04-21T03:25:17 #kisslinux because I made a very wise and financially responsible decision
2021-04-21T03:25:22 #kisslinux and by that I mean I bought a new chassis
2021-04-21T03:25:26 #kisslinux lmao
2021-04-21T03:25:29 #kisslinux a nice one?
2021-04-21T03:25:33 #kisslinux a fucking amazing one
2021-04-21T03:25:40 #kisslinux it's the CoolerMaster Cosmos II
2021-04-21T03:25:48 #kisslinux it's one of those "ultra towers"
2021-04-21T03:26:28 #kisslinux :o
2021-04-21T03:26:31 #kisslinux i love the cosmos
2021-04-21T03:26:51 #kisslinux I've never seen one before today
2021-04-21T03:26:57 #kisslinux but I saw it and was like
2021-04-21T03:27:04 #kisslinux "fuck, I need that"
2021-04-21T03:27:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-21T03:27:10 #kisslinux hi
2021-04-21T03:27:36 #kisslinux anyway, yeah, it's kind of dusty and there are some scuffs, which is to be expected considering it's used
2021-04-21T03:27:51 #kisslinux but considering it was like 50$ after tax
2021-04-21T03:28:03 #kisslinux and isn't going to slice my hands open any time soon
2021-04-21T03:28:06 #kisslinux it's a good investment
2021-04-21T03:28:35 #kisslinux also there's like 15 internal drive bays. which is just... absolutely ludicrous.
2021-04-21T03:28:38 #kisslinux hi testuser_[m]
2021-04-21T03:29:09 #kisslinux only 15?
2021-04-21T03:29:15 #kisslinux "only"
2021-04-21T03:29:23 #kisslinux it has another two that are hotswappable
2021-04-21T03:29:28 #kisslinux my friend powder coated his original cosmos
2021-04-21T03:29:28 #kisslinux and then three 5.25" bays
2021-04-21T03:29:32 #kisslinux god
2021-04-21T03:29:33 #kisslinux it was absolutely jaw dropping
2021-04-21T03:29:35 #kisslinux that sounds amazing
2021-04-21T03:29:44 #kisslinux the regular paintjob on this one is already cool
2021-04-21T03:29:57 #kisslinux black if you look at it straight on, but at an angle it's this neat bronze gradient
2021-04-21T03:29:59 #kisslinux damn that thing looks cool
2021-04-21T03:30:07 #kisslinux the promo pic has a 4way sli setup lol
2021-04-21T03:30:11 #kisslinux ngl the main draw for me was the handles
2021-04-21T03:30:17 #kisslinux YES
2021-04-21T03:30:21 #kisslinux the ultimate lan machine lmao
2021-04-21T03:30:21 #kisslinux you going to a lot of LAN parties?
2021-04-21T03:30:25 #kisslinux jinx
2021-04-21T03:30:30 #kisslinux no, but I move stuff around a lot
2021-04-21T03:30:30 #kisslinux :P
2021-04-21T03:30:37 #kisslinux and considering my machine is around seventy pounds...
2021-04-21T03:30:47 #kisslinux not having to grip onto razor-sharp edges is uh
2021-04-21T03:30:49 #kisslinux really nice
2021-04-21T03:30:51 #kisslinux no wonder you have back problems
2021-04-21T03:31:02 #kisslinux hey, I don't have back problems!
2021-04-21T03:31:18 #kisslinux fucking kids these days, man
2021-04-21T03:31:21 #kisslinux I would put hotswaps in the front
2021-04-21T03:31:22 #kisslinux disrespecting their elders
2021-04-21T03:31:27 #kisslinux hotswaps are in the front
2021-04-21T03:31:28 #kisslinux fivehead
2021-04-21T03:31:39 #kisslinux oh are those built in?
2021-04-21T03:31:41 #kisslinux yes
2021-04-21T03:31:44 #kisslinux oop
2021-04-21T03:31:45 #kisslinux very cool
2021-04-21T03:31:48 #kisslinux they have an interesting spring-loaded mechanism
2021-04-21T03:31:57 #kisslinux oh and it supports a vertical GPU
2021-04-21T03:32:06 #kisslinux s/GPU/single slot PCIE
2021-04-21T03:32:11 #kisslinux their classic homegrown mechanism!
2021-04-21T03:32:14 #kisslinux CM is genius tbh
2021-04-21T03:32:23 #kisslinux after the handles, the number of case slots for cards was a draw, too
2021-04-21T03:32:27 #kisslinux eleven in total I think
2021-04-21T03:32:28 #kisslinux how's airflow
2021-04-21T03:32:33 #kisslinux worse than the HAF
2021-04-21T03:32:36 #kisslinux airflow seems pretty okay
2021-04-21T03:32:39 #kisslinux but yeah
2021-04-21T03:32:44 #kisslinux doesn't touch the HAF
2021-04-21T03:32:47 #kisslinux then again, not much can
2021-04-21T03:32:51 #kisslinux it looks loud
2021-04-21T03:32:55 #kisslinux not at all
2021-04-21T03:32:58 #kisslinux really?
2021-04-21T03:33:01 #kisslinux the stock fans are almost dead-silent
2021-04-21T03:33:02 #kisslinux there's a lot of fans in there
2021-04-21T03:33:15 #kisslinux tbf my case is open air and it's basically inaudible most of the time
2021-04-21T03:33:17 #kisslinux have you given it load yet though?
2021-04-21T03:33:18 #kisslinux lol
2021-04-21T03:33:26 #kisslinux I have a thing for noise
2021-04-21T03:33:31 #kisslinux I need my computers to be silent
2021-04-21T03:33:31 #kisslinux i use noctuas on my heatsinks
2021-04-21T03:33:37 #kisslinux yum
2021-04-21T03:33:40 #kisslinux and, uh, on any case fans I install
2021-04-21T03:33:43 #kisslinux nice me too
2021-04-21T03:33:48 #kisslinux not on the case fans
2021-04-21T03:33:50 #kisslinux i have a couple spare that I intend to dump into this case eventually
2021-04-21T03:33:53 #kisslinux but I do have a DH15 heatsing
2021-04-21T03:34:06 #kisslinux i spent more on fans than on my GPU
2021-04-21T03:34:11 #kisslinux which is hilarious
2021-04-21T03:34:16 #kisslinux lol
2021-04-21T03:34:21 #kisslinux a worthy investment
2021-04-21T03:34:25 #kisslinux well one more directly helps with compiling sooooo
2021-04-21T03:34:33 #kisslinux * necromansy glances at laptop acting as desktop proxy
2021-04-21T03:34:38 #kisslinux I cant wait till I can build up a nice server rack of stuff
2021-04-21T03:34:42 #kisslinux honestly my GPU isn't doing much right now... pffft
2021-04-21T03:34:49 #kisslinux i bought it because it's a) single slot
2021-04-21T03:34:57 #kisslinux b) has a lot of compute units relative to price and size
2021-04-21T03:35:00 #kisslinux c) very efficient
2021-04-21T03:35:04 #kisslinux d) four full-size DP
2021-04-21T03:35:18 #kisslinux also it's dead-silent
2021-04-21T03:36:16 #kisslinux i bought mine to push pixels to a screen
2021-04-21T03:36:23 #kisslinux it's doubled in price since i bought it
2021-04-21T03:36:31 #kisslinux i have no idea what mine would go for now
2021-04-21T03:36:40 #kisslinux MSRP is 500USD, I got mine mint for 170CAD
2021-04-21T03:36:52 #kisslinux i mean the 5500 is going for $550 rn
2021-04-21T03:36:55 #kisslinux sooooo
2021-04-21T03:37:30 #kisslinux 5500 what
2021-04-21T03:37:34 #kisslinux deets my dude
2021-04-21T03:37:38 #kisslinux hit me with them
2021-04-21T03:37:41 #kisslinux argh I can't find the pic i'm looking for
2021-04-21T03:37:54 #kisslinux but its basically a tabletop held up by two racks of servers in someone's bedroom
2021-04-21T03:37:59 #kisslinux the amd 5500
2021-04-21T03:38:07 #kisslinux that will be my setup in a few years
2021-04-21T03:38:07 #kisslinux the one that has a $200 MSRP or /we
2021-04-21T03:38:08 #kisslinux w/e
2021-04-21T03:38:25 #kisslinux what on earth are you gonna do with that acheam
2021-04-21T03:38:36 #kisslinux uh we'll figure it out when we get there
2021-04-21T03:38:50 #kisslinux oh, a radeon card
2021-04-21T03:38:52 #kisslinux eh
2021-04-21T03:39:26 #kisslinux but... a few Us of servers, a few Us of storage, a few Us for my desktop, a few Us for electrical, and it adds up pretty quickly
2021-04-21T03:39:43 #kisslinux in terms of space, sure, but in cost too >.>
2021-04-21T03:39:49 #kisslinux yes that too
2021-04-21T03:39:49 #kisslinux how are you going to afford all of it?
2021-04-21T03:39:53 #kisslinux geesh
2021-04-21T03:39:57 #kisslinux this is a dream
2021-04-21T03:40:02 #kisslinux fair enough
2021-04-21T03:40:17 #kisslinux I guess you could go the same route as every redditor does and just buy up stacks of poweredge systems
2021-04-21T03:40:20 #kisslinux more likely than not this laptop will carry me for the forseeable future
2021-04-21T03:40:32 #kisslinux hey, i'll buy up stacks of HP systems!
2021-04-21T03:40:33 #kisslinux laptop best top
2021-04-21T03:40:36 #kisslinux that'll show 'em!
2021-04-21T03:40:41 #kisslinux palmtops are better
2021-04-21T03:41:07 #kisslinux my laptop is pulling overtime
2021-04-21T03:41:27 #kisslinux i'm officially a nerd. ssh'd into my server, researching and building on the desktop, testing on my laptop
2021-04-21T03:41:36 #kisslinux i already broke it twice working on this zfs hook for tinyramfs :v
2021-04-21T03:41:39 #kisslinux #progress
2021-04-21T03:42:10 #kisslinux thats how we do it in #kisslinux
2021-04-21T03:42:18 #kisslinux >zfs
2021-04-21T03:42:22 #kisslinux absolutely disgusting
2021-04-21T03:42:31 #kisslinux get your zoomzoom filesystem out of here
2021-04-21T03:42:44 #kisslinux this is a ReiserFS chat
2021-04-21T03:42:58 #kisslinux but what about the beeeeeetreeeeee file system>
2021-04-21T03:43:07 #kisslinux go away cuckerberg
2021-04-21T03:43:25 #kisslinux y'all using exotic FS? gimme my meat n potato ext4
2021-04-21T03:43:27 #kisslinux gotta go fast
2021-04-21T03:43:40 #kisslinux rn my desktop is running ext4
2021-04-21T03:43:48 #kisslinux i want zfs so bad i built it into my desktop's kernel and I'm not even using it on there
2021-04-21T03:43:58 #kisslinux but when I get new disks I'll likely switch to NILFS for flash and XFS for disk drives
2021-04-21T03:43:58 #kisslinux that's how much more i like zfs than ext
2021-04-21T03:44:00 #kisslinux I can appreciate ext4
2021-04-21T03:44:05 #kisslinux NILFS, the MILFS fs
2021-04-21T03:44:10 #kisslinux but my small and fast snapshots are real nice
2021-04-21T03:44:23 #kisslinux NILFS has real-time snapshots bby
2021-04-21T03:44:28 #kisslinux log filesystem.
2021-04-21T03:44:41 #kisslinux roll back any change you want
2021-04-21T03:45:12 #kisslinux woah why have I never herad of this?
2021-04-21T03:45:19 #kisslinux because it's an obscure filesystem
2021-04-21T03:45:22 #kisslinux duh
2021-04-21T03:45:42 #kisslinux still
2021-04-21T03:46:00 #kisslinux the two major problems with it is that it a) apparently grows in IO usage as it fills up
2021-04-21T03:46:06 #kisslinux due to defragmentation being necessary
2021-04-21T03:46:11 #kisslinux ew what
2021-04-21T03:46:15 #kisslinux well
2021-04-21T03:46:17 #kisslinux as I understand it
2021-04-21T03:46:21 #kisslinux is this windows
2021-04-21T03:46:27 #kisslinux just stfu
2021-04-21T03:46:30 #kisslinux let me explain
2021-04-21T03:46:33 #kisslinux anyways I have an ssd, so probably not the best fs
2021-04-21T03:46:38 #kisslinux actually
2021-04-21T03:46:41 #kisslinux if defrag is necesary
2021-04-21T03:46:46 #kisslinux nilfs apparently works great on SSDs
2021-04-21T03:46:56 #kisslinux "defrag" might not be the best term, I just don't know if there's a better one
2021-04-21T03:47:00 #kisslinux ah okay
2021-04-21T03:47:14 #kisslinux because log filesystems manipulate the disk as if it were a circular buffer
2021-04-21T03:47:19 #kisslinux and they only ever append
2021-04-21T03:47:24 #kisslinux so what happens is,
2021-04-21T03:47:30 #kisslinux instead of overwriting data immediately
2021-04-21T03:47:34 #kisslinux ah I see
2021-04-21T03:47:34 #kisslinux (which would prevent rollback)
2021-04-21T03:47:43 #kisslinux that's pretty cool
2021-04-21T03:47:51 #kisslinux it gradually removes the oldest elements of the log when the file system isn't in use
2021-04-21T03:48:01 #kisslinux but only after a certain threshold
2021-04-21T03:48:05 #kisslinux but that would end up with needing to do a lot of random reads instead of sequential reads though, right?
2021-04-21T03:48:21 #kisslinux once it fills up, maybe
2021-04-21T03:48:22 #kisslinux Not a problem on an SSD but might be on a HDD
2021-04-21T03:48:26 #kisslinux but you do have a point with that
2021-04-21T03:48:36 #kisslinux nilfs suffers in raw throughput compared to other more conventional filesystems
2021-04-21T03:48:40 #kisslinux but it excels in latency
2021-04-21T03:48:47 #kisslinux hm yeah
2021-04-21T03:48:55 #kisslinux hence why I intend to use it on my SSDs
2021-04-21T03:49:06 #kisslinux they're small and will likely serve as caches
2021-04-21T03:49:07 #kisslinux honestly these tiny performance gains here and there don't amount to all that much
2021-04-21T03:49:16 #kisslinux on their own, sure
2021-04-21T03:49:28 #kisslinux but together they can be extremely noticable
2021-04-21T03:49:35 #kisslinux sure
2021-04-21T03:50:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-April/235829.html
2021-04-21T03:50:27 #kisslinux fucking fantastic
2021-04-21T03:50:31 #kisslinux time for all my packages to break
2021-04-21T03:50:32 #kisslinux again
2021-04-21T03:51:10 #kisslinux woah cool
2021-04-21T03:51:14 #kisslinux thanks as usual testuser_[m]
2021-04-21T03:51:17 #kisslinux lessa goo
2021-04-21T03:51:38 #kisslinux yikes don't even try to look at any other messages from this month on that list
2021-04-21T03:51:53 #kisslinux RMS stuff?
2021-04-21T03:52:00 #kisslinux indeed
2021-04-21T04:00:37 #kisslinux wonder what has changed
2021-04-21T04:00:42 #kisslinux do they feel like they have to catchup to llvm
2021-04-21T04:02:07 #kisslinux no idea
2021-04-21T04:02:18 #kisslinux what I do know is that I have to rewrite my xorg config
2021-04-21T04:06:53 #kisslinux ...fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
2021-04-21T04:07:03 #kisslinux i forgot to plug my sound card into my power supply
2021-04-21T04:07:16 #kisslinux i hate existence
2021-04-21T04:12:38 #kisslinux but mid, what about the electrical interference!
2021-04-21T04:12:53 #kisslinux my card has EI shielding
2021-04-21T04:12:59 #kisslinux get fucked, external DAC shill
2021-04-21T04:13:13 #kisslinux butbutbbut
2021-04-21T04:13:20 #kisslinux the electrons!
2021-04-21T04:13:22 #kisslinux the based Xonar STX does not need to defend itself from the likes of you
2021-04-21T04:13:22 #kisslinux faraday cage!
2021-04-21T04:13:34 #kisslinux muh barabay cayge
2021-04-21T04:14:05 #kisslinux i just find it astonishing that my sound card draws via molex
2021-04-21T04:14:14 #kisslinux apparently molex can deliver up to around 75W
2021-04-21T04:14:49 #kisslinux damn
2021-04-21T04:15:06 #kisslinux when I pulled my PC apart the sound card was hotter than the GPU lmao
2021-04-21T04:16:25 #kisslinux my external DAC is never hot
2021-04-21T04:16:27 #kisslinux just saying
2021-04-21T04:16:44 #kisslinux I save those degrees for max overclokz
2021-04-21T04:16:45 #kisslinux can your external DAC drive 600ohm headphones
2021-04-21T04:16:59 #kisslinux mid, do you own 600ohm headphones?
2021-04-21T04:17:06 #kisslinux and tbh idk
2021-04-21T04:17:11 #kisslinux no, mine are around 60ohm
2021-04-21T04:17:15 #kisslinux but the extra sound is nice
2021-04-21T04:17:18 #kisslinux because I don't have speakers
2021-04-21T04:17:19 #kisslinux yet
2021-04-21T04:18:31 #kisslinux my laptop actually drives my 300 ohm headphones really well
2021-04-21T04:18:33 #kisslinux its surprising
2021-04-21T04:18:53 #kisslinux I mean, it sounds worse
2021-04-21T04:19:08 #kisslinux ngl
2021-04-21T04:19:10 #kisslinux but it can still drive them well
2021-04-21T04:19:15 #kisslinux i regret buying a sound card and decent headphones
2021-04-21T04:19:21 #kisslinux because now I can actually tell how shit my headset was
2021-04-21T04:19:26 #kisslinux ha
2021-04-21T04:19:32 #kisslinux no, seriously
2021-04-21T04:19:37 #kisslinux I think my DAC was a bit of a waste of money
2021-04-21T04:19:43 #kisslinux my old logitech headset was flat and kind of tinny
2021-04-21T04:20:03 #kisslinux versus my sony headphones now, which are fucking fantastic
2021-04-21T04:20:41 #kisslinux I need to buy a proper audio setup for my turntable so I can take back my desk dac
2021-04-21T04:20:58 #kisslinux i miss my headphones :'(
2021-04-21T07:10:38 #kisslinux trying out dvorak
2021-04-21T07:12:28 #kisslinux these sentences take a while to type
2021-04-21T07:48:49 #kisslinux what fun things can i do with an rpi?
2021-04-21T07:49:31 #kisslinux an rpi allows a pc to access gps
2021-04-21T07:51:40 #kisslinux i really havent used it
2021-04-21T07:52:46 #kisslinux and i have had it for a few years
2021-04-21T07:54:12 #kisslinux an rpi also has better support for wireless network connectivity, so it can be used if the tower has no internal working wireless adaptor
2021-04-21T07:56:42 #kisslinux interesting, what if i install kiss on it? :P
2021-04-21T08:03:16 #kisslinux there is kiss-raspi
2021-04-21T08:35:21 #kisslinux Abuse it as a server
2021-04-21T09:04:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> spryc: pi hole ?
2021-04-21T09:26:07 #kisslinux 3yeah maybe i should
2021-04-21T11:22:41 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hey
2021-04-21T11:25:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-04-21T11:26:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> has anyone else encountered any issues with mapping volume control keys in sxhkd? i cant seem to get the xf86volumeup/down keys to work. xev does not recognize them appearently
2021-04-21T11:27:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> It worked fine with xbindkeys, but I wanted to move over to sxhkd, for some reason :p
2021-04-21T11:32:20 #kisslinux noosharp: re bc pi-calculation bikeshedding; iirc, due to the way bc does bigint math, machin's converges faster :>
2021-04-21T13:33:13 #kisslinux would it make sense to install something like kiss on a router instead of openwrt
2021-04-21T13:33:50 #kisslinux better yet maybe i could turn my old phone into a wireless router
2021-04-21T13:35:54 #kisslinux I don't see any reason to use kiss over openwrt honestly
2021-04-21T13:37:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> maybe more granular control
2021-04-21T13:37:48 #kisslinux i thought it would use less resources
2021-04-21T13:38:49 #kisslinux openwrt has a web gui, right? that could be removed
2021-04-21T13:39:37 #kisslinux openwrt already provides you with tons of granular control
2021-04-21T13:39:59 #kisslinux i'm not sayig KISS wouldn't work, it just wouldn't be something that I personally would do
2021-04-21T13:40:15 #kisslinux I have fairly low routing requirements
2021-04-21T13:40:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i guess i meant more hands-on as opposed to some kind of management interface like tink mentioned
2021-04-21T13:41:17 #kisslinux yeah sounds like a fun project, but fun would be the only real benefit for it imo lol
2021-04-21T13:41:18 #kisslinux you don't need to use the management interface IIRC
2021-04-21T13:42:35 #kisslinux so do i, acheam. though, i don't have a router right now, i am using the modem+router in a single device thing given by my isp. so i don't want to buy a powerful (according to my needs) router just to get the actual speeds that i am paying for
2021-04-21T13:45:37 #kisslinux ah okay yeah
2021-04-21T13:45:39 #kisslinux makes sense
2021-04-21T13:47:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you have a lot of LAN traffic?
2021-04-21T13:47:47 #kisslinux not really
2021-04-21T13:53:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> does eiwd support acting as a software access point a la hostapd?
2021-04-21T13:56:20 #kisslinux i'm really considering buying a unicode domain now
2021-04-21T13:56:42 #kisslinux to use as a url shortner
2021-04-21T13:57:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> get scissors!
2021-04-21T13:57:23 #kisslinux lol good idea
2021-04-21T13:57:33 #kisslinux although won't be using an emoji
2021-04-21T14:00:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2704/index.htm
2021-04-21T14:00:17 #kisslinux maybe :)
2021-04-21T14:00:28 #kisslinux I want to get something I can type in by long pressing on a key on my phone keyboard
2021-04-21T14:00:46 #kisslinux so its still easy to type on mobile
2021-04-21T14:28:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: the gst-plugins-base package uses meson, and clones the graphene subproject when building cuz it's not available as a system lib, should graphene be packaged or the package be left as it is ?
2021-04-21T14:29:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Also it starts cloning some gl-headers subproject depending on how your mesa is built (i think)
2021-04-21T14:29:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The build works fine though
2021-04-21T14:32:33 #kisslinux :o
2021-04-21T14:33:57 #kisslinux the FSF should put all their funds into buying the g.cc domain
2021-04-21T14:33:59 #kisslinux screw advocacy
2021-04-21T14:34:29 #kisslinux we need the g.cc domain
2021-04-21T14:35:47 #kisslinux so if what you're saying is true, gst-plugins-base should actually be broken if you do kiss b gst-plugins-base && kiss i gst-plugins-base && kiss b gst-plugins-base
2021-04-21T14:38:14 #kisslinux it clones graphene, and then doesn't build it. cute.
2021-04-21T14:41:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Maybe it just needs some headers
2021-04-21T14:42:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why do you say that the build should be broken ?
2021-04-21T14:48:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> also this kind of stuff is what i was talking about when suggesting to disable the meson download functionality, since it hides packaging issues
2021-04-21T14:57:10 #kisslinux because when it checks for that dependency again to decide if it should be a subproject, it'll find it, and not build it. but then when you install it, it won't exist anymore. because it only existed as a subproject
2021-04-21T14:57:18 #kisslinux this happens with pango+glib for instance
2021-04-21T15:00:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i dont understand, the check should always fail since subprojects are used just for building the pkg and not bundled into /usr/lib when installing with ninja
2021-04-21T15:03:52 #kisslinux all i'm certain of is that if you build pango without glib, it'll build glib as a subproject. and when you rebuild pango, it'll find glib, so it wont' build it.
2021-04-21T15:03:55 #kisslinux and then pango is sad :'(
2021-04-21T15:05:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Weird
2021-04-21T15:08:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Talking about weird, my webshit2gtk only wants to work inside chroots, if i try to run it on my host system it just shows blank pages
2021-04-21T15:09:23 #kisslinux that's interesting
2021-04-21T15:11:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Maybe its related to my gpu driver, since in chroot it always works, but says something about "failed to authenticate EGL/DRI/something" (cuz no proper driver in chroot)
2021-04-21T15:13:13 #kisslinux this stops the subprojects http://ix.io/2WRT
2021-04-21T15:13:20 #kisslinux uncertain if it works or not after the fact
2021-04-21T15:16:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah idk if we should disable GL stuff cuz it's used for video playback etc, will check it later
2021-04-21T15:18:13 #kisslinux acheam, did you press reply all to the guy who was sending to the wrong address?
2021-04-21T15:24:00 #kisslinux lmao
2021-04-21T15:24:07 #kisslinux he opened an issue on github, it's sorted
2021-04-21T15:31:49 #kisslinux aarng: no, I made sure to just respond to the list
2021-04-21T15:32:23 #kisslinux the problem is he wouldn't be subbed at that point and would've never gotten your response
2021-04-21T15:32:29 #kisslinux ah
2021-04-21T15:32:41 #kisslinux yep
2021-04-21T15:32:47 #kisslinux that's why I asked, lol
2021-04-21T15:32:59 #kisslinux yeah I didn't think that one through
2021-04-21T15:33:05 #kisslinux ;)
2021-04-21T15:33:17 #kisslinux this is why being able to just hit reply-all would be so nice
2021-04-21T15:33:18 #kisslinux solved anyway now, so all good
2021-04-21T15:33:20 #kisslinux man I wish I could read
2021-04-21T15:33:47 #kisslinux why was that not working again?
2021-04-21T15:34:53 #kisslinux I think it's just a problem with the headers of the email
2021-04-21T15:35:52 #kisslinux for a reason i know not what, mlmmj won't recognize that one of the list subs is already in the email chain
2021-04-21T15:36:05 #kisslinux I see
2021-04-21T15:36:13 #kisslinux I know nothing about that, so can't really help
2021-04-21T15:36:16 #kisslinux there are a lot of tools available to fiddle with these things, but i have to be careful because I dont' want the whole thing to shatter
2021-04-21T15:36:32 #kisslinux there is so little help on the internet for most of my problems nowadays :v
2021-04-21T15:36:39 #kisslinux life was easier when I could just apt away my issues
2021-04-21T15:38:02 #kisslinux it's surprising how complicated mail can be really
2021-04-21T15:39:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw dilyn i also felt that the replies were slow (~10 mins) yesterday when subbing to community ML few days back i subbed to the dev one and it was pretty much instant
2021-04-21T15:41:08 #kisslinux mail is held together by loose string and hope
2021-04-21T15:41:32 #kisslinux there's definitely a lag at some point in the stack, and with some cases it is on my end
2021-04-21T15:41:42 #kisslinux in this case, however, it was not /shrug
2021-04-21T15:42:00 #kisslinux which sucks, but at least I can solve the ones where the problem IS on my end
2021-04-21T15:42:32 #kisslinux afternoon, everyone
2021-04-21T15:43:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-04-21T15:45:15 #kisslinux hello
2021-04-21T15:45:26 #kisslinux good afternoon midfavila
2021-04-21T15:45:34 #kisslinux o/
2021-04-21T15:46:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you just gotta get those sticky stamps so you don't have to lick each one before putting it on the envelope
2021-04-21T15:46:36 #kisslinux honestly it should be as simple as setting a reply-to header, that way when you hit reply-all the header is still correct
2021-04-21T15:47:29 #kisslinux people who's mail app has a 'reply to list' feature are lucky :| you special ducks
2021-04-21T15:57:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Bruh looks like i can't play any yt vids on webkit anyways, dunno if i should disable the gl thing for gst-plugins, maybe it works for others
2021-04-21T15:58:37 #kisslinux webkit barely works in the best case
2021-04-21T15:59:00 #kisslinux imho it's not worth even bothering with it...
2021-04-21T15:59:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-04-21T16:00:02 #kisslinux in terms of actual practical browsing I find that it tends to be either Links or UXP for me
2021-04-21T16:00:13 #kisslinux everything else has too much crap or it just doesn't work
2021-04-21T16:03:01 #kisslinux meanwhile, in today's college class, the first I've bothered with in two weeks - I get to watch people argue over whether a server at address 192.168.0.1 providing DNS should use 192.168.0.1 or 127.0.0.1 as its DNS lookup address
2021-04-21T16:03:05 #kisslinux amazing.
2021-04-21T16:03:49 #kisslinux this is the power of MCSEs
2021-04-21T16:06:09 #kisslinux just use localhost and hope it gets sorted out for u
2021-04-21T16:07:23 #kisslinux more importantly
2021-04-21T16:07:27 #kisslinux just stop using fucking windows
2021-04-21T16:07:35 #kisslinux literally install gen- er, KISS linux
2021-04-21T16:07:36 #kisslinux reeeeeeeee
2021-04-21T16:08:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i run pihole pointing to 127.0.0.1
2021-04-21T16:09:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> technically lookups get pointed at pihole itself though so i guess it doesn't quite fit
2021-04-21T16:09:47 #kisslinux pihole is a meme
2021-04-21T16:09:52 #kisslinux just run DNS filtering on your router
2021-04-21T16:09:55 #kisslinux smh
2021-04-21T16:13:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i guess i could, i have pfsense set up hmm
2021-04-21T16:13:27 #kisslinux i just use openwrt's adblock
2021-04-21T16:14:07 #kisslinux and, uh, a very large hosts file.
2021-04-21T16:14:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you manually update your hosts file?
2021-04-21T16:14:50 #kisslinux yes
2021-04-21T16:16:24 #kisslinux I use pfblockerng, good stuff. probably not as easy to use as pi-hole though
2021-04-21T16:21:43 #kisslinux I have a 71000 line hosts file
2021-04-21T16:22:04 #kisslinux I can remove a lot of it like the Windows10 stuff though
2021-04-21T16:22:24 #kisslinux and I'm sure a lot of the lines are duplicated
2021-04-21T16:23:25 #kisslinux my hosts is 107377 lines
2021-04-21T16:23:30 #kisslinux and growing
2021-04-21T16:23:37 #kisslinux that's a lot of lookups
2021-04-21T16:23:42 #kisslinux yes, yes it is
2021-04-21T16:23:56 #kisslinux noticed any slowdowns in page loading?
2021-04-21T16:24:16 #kisslinux no, page loading is actually significantly faster
2021-04-21T16:25:39 #kisslinux mostly because it doesn't have to query - and don't bully me for this - cloudflare
2021-04-21T16:26:18 #kisslinux i've been considering using a non-ICANN DNS server actually...
2021-04-21T16:27:29 #kisslinux like what mid?
2021-04-21T16:27:36 #kisslinux does sdf have something?
2021-04-21T16:27:44 #kisslinux they do
2021-04-21T16:27:53 #kisslinux but it doesn't work for me last I checked
2021-04-21T16:28:17 #kisslinux why not?
2021-04-21T16:28:31 #kisslinux as in the server is down, or it doesn't fulfill your needs?
2021-04-21T16:28:53 #kisslinux I feel like it definitely doesn't make sense that page loading would be faster in the case of parsing 10k lines versus not...
2021-04-21T16:29:17 #kisslinux I can't remember what it was specifically
2021-04-21T16:29:28 #kisslinux and I mean, considering my router is running (I think...) a quad ARM chip
2021-04-21T16:29:36 #kisslinux I mean, doesnt' it basically just grep it?
2021-04-21T16:29:41 #kisslinux i would imagine
2021-04-21T16:29:42 #kisslinux yes
2021-04-21T16:29:44 #kisslinux there isn't too much to it
2021-04-21T16:29:49 #kisslinux that would be way too simple
2021-04-21T16:29:54 #kisslinux it doesn't need to be complex
2021-04-21T16:30:05 #kisslinux no we must read the whole file first and then character match
2021-04-21T16:30:07 #kisslinux this is the way
2021-04-21T16:30:14 #kisslinux that's the Enterprise Solution
2021-04-21T16:30:53 #kisslinux god. this should be easy, but here I am reading email RFCs from 20 years ago.
2021-04-21T16:31:05 #kisslinux but even then I'm pretty sure the openwrt image I'm using just... loads itself into memory at every boot
2021-04-21T16:31:07 #kisslinux ala puppy
2021-04-21T16:35:34 #kisslinux dilyn: 20 years ago?!
2021-04-21T16:35:40 #kisslinux go to the source!
2021-04-21T16:35:47 #kisslinux we're going back to 1970
2021-04-21T16:35:49 #kisslinux look at the 50 year old RFcs
2021-04-21T16:36:09 #kisslinux Make sure to read the ones for tcp/ip as well
2021-04-21T16:36:20 #kisslinux you need a solid contextual background
2021-04-21T16:36:27 #kisslinux don't forget UUCP
2021-04-21T16:36:35 #kisslinux for historical background and insight on technical decisions
2021-04-21T16:36:47 #kisslinux ofc ofc
2021-04-21T16:37:19 #kisslinux 2001 was 20 years ago :|
2021-04-21T16:37:32 #kisslinux makes me feel v old
2021-04-21T16:38:05 #kisslinux i remember getting irrationally angry when my teacher said that the only network protocols were TCP/IP and UDP/IP
2021-04-21T16:38:08 #kisslinux and it's like
2021-04-21T16:38:10 #kisslinux no
2021-04-21T16:38:11 #kisslinux the best part about mlmmj is spinning up new lists for testing things is as easy as a mlmmj-make-ml && sed -i 'asdf/a asdf/'
2021-04-21T16:38:14 #kisslinux that's wrong
2021-04-21T16:38:22 #kisslinux no no, I think they're right
2021-04-21T16:38:26 #kisslinux we can't forget about UUCP or that one protocol that's literally only used by NASA
2021-04-21T16:38:26 #kisslinux the internet is tubes, after all
2021-04-21T16:39:06 #kisslinux you know, it's kind of crazy, actually taking the sheer scale of the net into account
2021-04-21T16:39:24 #kisslinux i feel like there's no way a single individual could fully and completely understand every element of it
2021-04-21T16:39:54 #kisslinux dilyn: noooo our mailing lists can't rely on a non-posix sed implementation
2021-04-21T16:40:00 #kisslinux ngl
2021-04-21T16:40:06 #kisslinux we should try to eliminate sed -i
2021-04-21T16:40:10 #kisslinux because muh kiss/BSD
2021-04-21T16:40:40 #kisslinux you know that kiss on BSD would be exceptionally based
2021-04-21T16:41:47 #kisslinux wait where is sed -i even used in kiss
2021-04-21T16:41:54 #kisslinux packages
2021-04-21T16:42:07 #kisslinux oh
2021-04-21T16:42:23 #kisslinux i need to look at KISS itself more, actually...
2021-04-21T16:42:30 #kisslinux kiss itself doesnt' have it
2021-04-21T16:42:32 #kisslinux axel works remarkably well as a curl replacement
2021-04-21T16:42:58 #kisslinux and if I do that,
2021-04-21T16:43:03 #kisslinux I can save a whopping 3.6mb!
2021-04-21T16:43:06 #kisslinux wowee
2021-04-21T16:43:14 #kisslinux such optimization, many tunings
2021-04-21T16:44:08 #kisslinux acheam sotd suggestion https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=kSU0w7KwRIw
2021-04-21T16:45:05 #kisslinux this is a deltarune channel now
2021-04-21T16:46:30 #kisslinux i mean technically you could replace it
2021-04-21T16:46:35 #kisslinux it's just more laborious
2021-04-21T16:46:48 #kisslinux it's two lines versus one
2021-04-21T16:46:54 #kisslinux not much of a difference
2021-04-21T16:47:23 #kisslinux lol
2021-04-21T16:47:34 #kisslinux but two lines is more than one line
2021-04-21T16:47:37 #kisslinux that's twice as many lines
2021-04-21T16:47:42 #kisslinux that's twice as much work!
2021-04-21T16:47:46 #kisslinux use sed -i to replace all the instances of sed -i
2021-04-21T16:48:12 #kisslinux sed s/foo/bar/ Makefile > mkfile
2021-04-21T16:48:12 #kisslinux mv mkfile Makefile
2021-04-21T16:48:18 #kisslinux so much effort
2021-04-21T16:48:25 #kisslinux not even twice the number of bytes. gtfo.
2021-04-21T16:48:35 #kisslinux you could even write a wrapper script for it as part of kiss
2021-04-21T16:48:40 #kisslinux like kiss-sed
2021-04-21T16:48:46 #kisslinux and it just does that for you
2021-04-21T16:48:56 #kisslinux if we're gonna be super pedantic we can measure the impact of using two lines versus using a non-strict POSIX sed
2021-04-21T16:49:02 #kisslinux in terms of bytes
2021-04-21T16:49:13 #kisslinux i will fucking go there
2021-04-21T16:49:22 #kisslinux i swear to god
2021-04-21T16:49:53 #kisslinux besides being able to use 9base would be nice.
2021-04-21T16:53:15 #kisslinux /bin/ed would like to have a word with you
2021-04-21T16:53:31 #kisslinux more of a tine guy ngl
2021-04-21T16:53:51 #kisslinux i find it hilarious how suckless ed statically linked against glibc is almost a full megabyte
2021-04-21T16:54:31 #kisslinux lol
2021-04-21T16:55:40 #kisslinux that's pretty gross
2021-04-21T16:55:46 #kisslinux it's exceedingly gross
2021-04-21T16:55:51 #kisslinux and a massive waste of disk space
2021-04-21T16:55:56 #kisslinux how strange. with absolutely nothing special done to this test list, bouncing back and forth between my three emails, nobody is getting their own emails back or anything.
2021-04-21T16:55:58 #kisslinux considering I statically link my userland as a matter of principle
2021-04-21T16:56:12 #kisslinux midfavila: what are you going to use your newly found 1MB of space for?
2021-04-21T16:56:31 #kisslinux multiply 1mb by however many utilities are included in the suckless userlands
2021-04-21T16:56:32 #kisslinux he can use that space to almost build musl
2021-04-21T16:56:43 #kisslinux for embedded devices that can matter a lot
2021-04-21T16:57:03 #kisslinux i need to have a stripped KISS image that I can flash onto my HTCPCP client
2021-04-21T16:57:06 #kisslinux once I eventually build it
2021-04-21T16:57:16 #kisslinux ...or would that be server?
2021-04-21T16:57:19 #kisslinux yes, server.
2021-04-21T16:57:34 #kisslinux KISS-static is the answer
2021-04-21T16:57:49 #kisslinux I tried building my usual setup as statically-linked
2021-04-21T16:57:50 #kisslinux it doesn't work
2021-04-21T16:57:54 #kisslinux which makes me sad
2021-04-21T16:58:16 #kisslinux well, actually, I think the core works. but my graphical tools are hit or miss
2021-04-21T16:58:20 #kisslinux i blame GTK
2021-04-21T16:58:24 #kisslinux blame mesa
2021-04-21T16:58:53 #kisslinux doesn't mesa only handle 3D acceleration?
2021-04-21T16:58:55 #kisslinux ah, there it is. the double-sends are comin' in
2021-04-21T16:58:57 #kisslinux i'm not terribly familiar with it
2021-04-21T16:59:00 #kisslinux I'm gonna reply-all storm my own server huh
2021-04-21T16:59:05 #kisslinux of the top of your head, do guys know of any package which relies heavily on sed -i?
2021-04-21T16:59:07 #kisslinux mesa handles literally everything mang
2021-04-21T16:59:14 #kisslinux not the build file, I mean upstream
2021-04-21T16:59:16 #kisslinux but you can run a full GUI without mesa
2021-04-21T16:59:17 #kisslinux qt5-webengine uses like six sed -i's
2021-04-21T16:59:25 #kisslinux sure, mid.
2021-04-21T16:59:30 #kisslinux but you can also run a full gui with only mesa
2021-04-21T16:59:44 #kisslinux dilyn, will have a look
2021-04-21T16:59:48 #kisslinux later
2021-04-21T16:59:52 #kisslinux can confirm, my alpine runs with no mesa, but it's painful
2021-04-21T16:59:57 #kisslinux oh you mean upstream. i have no idea
2021-04-21T17:00:08 #kisslinux well, you know, if you could actually explain or provide documentation to inspect, instead of being mildly condescending, that would be fucking fantastic, dilyn
2021-04-21T17:00:16 #kisslinux ??
2021-04-21T17:00:16 #kisslinux yeah, I can grep the build files
2021-04-21T17:00:32 #kisslinux the evidence is the fact that I have been running a system for over a year with only mesa
2021-04-21T17:00:34 #kisslinux what more do you need
2021-04-21T17:00:49 #kisslinux mesa does gl, glx, egl, gles
2021-04-21T17:00:55 #kisslinux some of those are supersets of the other
2021-04-21T17:01:21 #kisslinux ignoring that that's not what I was pissed about, if you don't use 3D acceleration, I don't see why it would matter.
2021-04-21T17:01:24 #kisslinux it also does vulkan, and has graphics drivers to hook into those things for radeon, amdgpu, nouveau, intel, +++ a litany of others
2021-04-21T17:02:02 #kisslinux my point was more tongue in cheek because you don't use mesa and the reason I can't have a fully static userland is because of mesa
2021-04-21T17:02:59 #kisslinux you said "blame mesa", which came off to me as a correction which you didn't elaborate on
2021-04-21T17:03:06 #kisslinux maybe I misinterpreted.
2021-04-21T17:03:07 #kisslinux meh
2021-04-21T17:06:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <midfavila "i find it hilarious how suckless"> A lot of stuff isn't even static static cuz "function bla bla requires shared libs from glibc at runtime"
2021-04-21T17:06:56 #kisslinux disgusting
2021-04-21T17:07:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I just keep musl installed to link static stuff
2021-04-21T17:07:21 #kisslinux i'm too nervous to keep multiple c libs installed
2021-04-21T17:08:09 #kisslinux i'd like to get to a point where I can only use musl systems, but I recall running into problems with that...
2021-04-21T17:12:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Like ?
2021-04-21T17:12:12 #kisslinux well, I don't recall specifics
2021-04-21T17:12:23 #kisslinux i think it was something to do with my calculator and media player...
2021-04-21T17:12:30 #kisslinux ...but those should be resolved by now
2021-04-21T17:12:43 #kisslinux Once I have my next set of images prepared I'll try musl on my desktop.
2021-04-21T17:12:51 #kisslinux my SAS disks are supposed to arrive soon anyway
2021-04-21T17:13:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-21T17:13:25 #kisslinux 6TB of storage. more than I've ever had before
2021-04-21T17:13:34 #kisslinux no idea what I'll do with it all, to be honest. probably hoard anime :v
2021-04-21T17:14:00 #kisslinux fuck, I have to get back to work
2021-04-21T17:17:51 #kisslinux I just use kiss for daily driving
2021-04-21T17:17:59 #kisslinux i mean, yes
2021-04-21T17:18:02 #kisslinux as do I
2021-04-21T17:19:22 #kisslinux drew doesn't write POSIX compliant makefiles, big sads
2021-04-21T17:19:43 #kisslinux almost done packaging sourcehut though, just need builds.sr.ht, dispatch.sr.ht, and man.sr.ht now
2021-04-21T17:20:47 #kisslinux and to fix pages.sr.ht to make it libressl compatible, though playing around with it on the main sr.ht instance has been fun, very cute
2021-04-21T17:21:16 #kisslinux pages.sr.ht probably isn't all that important
2021-04-21T17:21:27 #kisslinux what is made libressl compatible? bearssl?
2021-04-21T17:21:32 #kisslinux hot diggity :o
2021-04-21T17:22:12 #kisslinux miskatonic: just need to workaround some libs that expect an openssl api for some tls 1.3 functions
2021-04-21T17:22:37 #kisslinux libressl is actively working on making the api compatible, but it's taking some time
2021-04-21T17:22:47 #kisslinux bearssl is cool
2021-04-21T17:23:02 #kisslinux you can look into the old carbslinux patches for inspiration
2021-04-21T17:23:03 #kisslinux i used to use it on my phone, when I used an - urgh - android
2021-04-21T17:23:06 #kisslinux for bearssl
2021-04-21T17:24:38 #kisslinux yeah bearssl seems really neat, though I feel like that'd be an even bigger cat + mouse game of making patches/workaround for apps that except openssl/libressl lol
2021-04-21T17:25:03 #kisslinux ah and i guess i still need to package hg.sr.ht, but who even uses mercurial /s
2021-04-21T17:25:36 #kisslinux yeah hg and pages probably arent' the highest priority
2021-04-21T17:25:58 #kisslinux really cool the prorgress you've made
2021-04-21T17:26:36 #kisslinux unrelated but does anyone know how to reverse stereo output with ALSA?
2021-04-21T17:26:41 #kisslinux e.g right channel as left and vice versa
2021-04-21T17:27:25 #kisslinux plug the right speaker into the left output and the right output into the left speaker
2021-04-21T17:27:37 #kisslinux i'm using headphones, peanut gallery
2021-04-21T17:27:46 #kisslinux maybe module-remap-sink
2021-04-21T17:28:52 #kisslinux hmm. I'll have to look into that
2021-04-21T17:29:18 #kisslinux my PC is on the right side of my desk, but the cable for my headphones is on the left side
2021-04-21T17:29:27 #kisslinux and having the cable stretch across me is bothersome
2021-04-21T17:33:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> isn't that what ttable can be used for maybe?
2021-04-21T17:33:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Modules/#index12h3 or like @acheam said, playing with channel_maps
2021-04-21T17:34:07 #kisslinux "ttable"?
2021-04-21T17:34:16 #kisslinux search results don't seem relevant
2021-04-21T17:35:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah its more for selection rather than mapping
2021-04-21T17:35:58 #kisslinux No, I don't know what you mean by "ttable"
2021-04-21T17:36:14 #kisslinux At least in this context.
2021-04-21T17:38:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if you have multiple channels you can mix them together in different amounts, the ttable identifies how they're mixed. however, you're trying to redefine the channel mapping rather than how "on/off" a channel is
2021-04-21T17:39:35 #kisslinux Ah. Okay, I get what you mean then.
2021-04-21T17:39:45 #kisslinux I've never thought of that as a "ttable"
2021-04-21T17:58:27 #kisslinux hmmm is a 4 leter domain name worth $33/yr
2021-04-21T17:58:40 #kisslinux a domain name is worth approximately zero dollars per year
2021-04-21T17:58:57 #kisslinux bububububut its 4 letters
2021-04-21T17:59:41 #kisslinux hbuhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuh nothing
2021-04-21T17:59:42 #kisslinux i mean, it would be nice to have
2021-04-21T17:59:47 #kisslinux as a url shortner
2021-04-21T17:59:52 #kisslinux and file hosting
2021-04-21T17:59:53 #kisslinux like 0x0
2021-04-21T17:59:56 #kisslinux >not using SDF's link shortening service
2021-04-21T17:59:58 #kisslinux except 1 char shorter
2021-04-21T18:00:02 #kisslinux link, midfavila ?
2021-04-21T18:00:10 #kisslinux one sec, lemme log in and grab it
2021-04-21T18:00:14 #kisslinux it's kind of an obscure service
2021-04-21T18:00:28 #kisslinux if its at sdf.org then that's already 2 letters longer than my potential domain name
2021-04-21T18:01:36 #kisslinux fuck, I can't find the link off the top of my head
2021-04-21T18:01:55 #kisslinux ...flick of the wrist would make more sense there, come to think of it
2021-04-21T18:02:11 #kisslinux lol
2021-04-21T18:02:22 #kisslinux lol i pay around 54 dollars usd/yr for a 3 letter domain
2021-04-21T18:02:42 #kisslinux I refuse to pay for a domain on principle.
2021-04-21T18:02:45 #kisslinux yeah the pricing is not linear
2021-04-21T18:03:05 #kisslinux If I could buy one outright, it would be a different story
2021-04-21T18:03:05 #kisslinux some TLD's will charge you 10k/year for a 2 letter domain
2021-04-21T18:03:18 #kisslinux kqz: wait do you mean 3 letter + TLD or 3 letter total?
2021-04-21T18:03:32 #kisslinux 3 letter + tld
2021-04-21T18:03:35 #kisslinux a.ca
2021-04-21T18:03:36 #kisslinux ah
2021-04-21T18:03:39 #kisslinux best domain name
2021-04-21T18:04:21 #kisslinux The only problem is that the TLD i'm lookint at (.gy) isn't great sounding
2021-04-21T18:04:32 #kisslinux there's always .lgbt
2021-04-21T18:04:33 #kisslinux :^)
2021-04-21T18:04:56 #kisslinux can be pretty "basic" looking but i always liked .io domains
2021-04-21T18:05:22 #kisslinux midfavila: unironically would have one if the renewal price wasn't 40 bucks
2021-04-21T18:05:35 #kisslinux there's a joke about neoliberal capitalism in here somewhere
2021-04-21T18:05:49 #kisslinux hehe
2021-04-21T18:05:56 #kisslinux kqz: io's are nice
2021-04-21T18:06:01 #kisslinux my fav 2 letter is cc though
2021-04-21T18:06:47 #kisslinux i saw a bunch of rocks painted in that stupid pride pattern positioned to take up space in these little crannies the other day
2021-04-21T18:06:50 #kisslinux not sure how else to describe it
2021-04-21T18:07:13 #kisslinux where it's like, wall-empty space-wall, roof over top, still outside. there's probably a name for that specific architectural feature, but I don't know it
2021-04-21T18:07:44 #kisslinux alley?
2021-04-21T18:07:46 #kisslinux idk
2021-04-21T18:07:53 #kisslinux nah, alley connects two buildings
2021-04-21T18:07:54 #kisslinux er
2021-04-21T18:07:55 #kisslinux roads
2021-04-21T18:07:56 #kisslinux whatever
2021-04-21T18:07:57 #kisslinux fuck
2021-04-21T18:08:13 #kisslinux point is, whether intentional or not, that reminds me of hostile architecture
2021-04-21T18:08:17 #kisslinux and I really fucking hate that shit
2021-04-21T18:08:31 #kisslinux and the irony in such a situation is not amusing
2021-04-21T18:37:15 #kisslinux hello everyone
2021-04-21T18:37:23 #kisslinux hi zenomat
2021-04-21T18:43:32 #kisslinux in the styleguide on the website it states that one should use make, but why not use make -j$(nproc)?
2021-04-21T18:44:19 #kisslinux because you shouldn't tell the user how many cores to use
2021-04-21T18:44:33 #kisslinux UNLESS it breaks the build (see: nss)
2021-04-21T18:45:41 #kisslinux yeah ok, thats valid
2021-04-21T18:52:34 #kisslinux got reply-all workign
2021-04-21T18:52:40 #kisslinux https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=vInUoPtg8m0
2021-04-21T18:52:43 #kisslinux except now we fail DKIM signing according to google
2021-04-21T18:52:57 #kisslinux figured I'd take a gander at this guy's breakdown of the latest apple event
2021-04-21T18:52:59 #kisslinux two things
2021-04-21T18:53:00 #kisslinux which is presumably because we change the header to something different than what original sender had
2021-04-21T18:53:11 #kisslinux mqbhd == heru
2021-04-21T18:54:08 #kisslinux one, his audio sucks. there's a ton of line noise. two... why do people keep buying apple stuff? everything he talks about in the video amounts to "yeah so we released some new machines using M1 chips that still suck, and there's this new overpriced tracker keychain. woo."
2021-04-21T19:01:50 #kisslinux midfavila: you might like https://www.opennic.org/
2021-04-21T19:03:14 #kisslinux yes, I used to use some of their stuff
2021-04-21T19:03:21 #kisslinux i think the server I used was called jolteon
2021-04-21T19:04:00 #kisslinux nice
2021-04-21T19:10:09 #kisslinux okay. carried over my test work, we'll see about the dkim signing.
2021-04-21T19:10:15 #kisslinux Feel free to reply-all :)
2021-04-21T19:10:40 #kisslinux YESSSS
2021-04-21T19:10:44 #kisslinux XD
2021-04-21T19:10:46 #kisslinux right
2021-04-21T19:12:18 #kisslinux so what was it?
2021-04-21T19:12:47 #kisslinux you just modify the headers
2021-04-21T19:13:04 #kisslinux it's extra work, and obviously messes with verifying authenticity of the mail
2021-04-21T19:13:25 #kisslinux but the consequences of that are... uncertain. those who sub with gmail et al should let me know if they have issues :v
2021-04-21T19:23:14 #kisslinux testuser_: http://ix.io/2WT6 unambiguous enough?
2021-04-21T21:03:50 #kisslinux any of you guys have experience with PHP?
2021-04-21T21:05:45 #kisslinux kiedtl|ltbx: you're logging us now?
2021-04-21T21:05:49 #kisslinux kiedtl:
2021-04-21T21:06:04 #kisslinux what
2021-04-21T21:06:12 #kisslinux Oh, I mean, it's private logs
2021-04-21T21:06:27 #kisslinux tbf it's a public channel anyway
2021-04-21T21:06:30 #kisslinux I'm not even sure why that's in here
2021-04-21T21:06:31 #kisslinux ...with public logs
2021-04-21T21:06:38 #kisslinux midfavila: that's the joke I was leading up to damn it
2021-04-21T21:06:40 #kisslinux ...and some clients will keep logs automatically anyway
2021-04-21T21:06:41 #kisslinux oh
2021-04-21T21:06:43 #kisslinux well
2021-04-21T21:06:50 #kisslinux I should probably get litterbox going as well
2021-04-21T21:06:51 #kisslinux my social cluelessness has stolen your thunder, I suppose
2021-04-21T21:07:01 #kisslinux nah it would have been a shitty joke
2021-04-21T21:07:07 #kisslinux but one thing it hasn't stolen is today's sponsor
2021-04-21T21:07:08 #kisslinux nordvpn
2021-04-21T21:07:20 #kisslinux do you want to prevent your IRC logs from being picked up by evil malicious hackers?
2021-04-21T21:07:24 #kisslinux when you browse the internet, everyone can see what you're doing, even in incognito mode!
2021-04-21T21:07:36 #kisslinux no way
2021-04-21T21:07:39 #kisslinux but I cleared my cookies
2021-04-21T21:07:47 #kisslinux how did they trace the crumbs back to me
2021-04-21T21:08:25 #kisslinux that's just the way the cookie crumbles, my friend
2021-04-21T21:08:52 #kisslinux i need to like
2021-04-21T21:08:54 #kisslinux build a time machine
2021-04-21T21:09:00 #kisslinux and then go back to 1994 or whatever
2021-04-21T21:09:04 #kisslinux and convince netscape to a)
2021-04-21T21:09:08 #kisslinux not implement cookies
2021-04-21T21:09:09 #kisslinux and b)
2021-04-21T21:09:12 #kisslinux argh do I get a 4 letter domain or acheam.cc or nothing.... decisions decisions
2021-04-21T21:09:14 #kisslinux use lisp instead of javascript in the browser
2021-04-21T21:09:46 #kisslinux we'd have so many more emacs packages
2021-04-21T21:10:02 #kisslinux emacs is cringe and lame
2021-04-21T21:10:06 #kisslinux fight me
2021-04-21T21:10:11 #kisslinux in the mcdonalds parking lot
2021-04-21T21:10:11 #kisslinux rn
2021-04-21T21:12:16 #kisslinux :o
2021-04-21T21:12:23 #kisslinux * dilyn furiously checks if dilyn.cc is a domain
2021-04-21T21:12:41 #kisslinux $10/yr hot diggity
2021-04-21T21:12:52 #kisslinux imagine paying for a domain
2021-04-21T21:12:53 #kisslinux lmao
2021-04-21T21:13:22 #kisslinux imagine imagining
2021-04-21T21:13:37 #kisslinux imagine imagining imagining
2021-04-21T21:14:04 #kisslinux midfavila: s/imagin/cring/
2021-04-21T21:14:04 #kisslinux cringe cringing cringing
2021-04-21T21:14:12 #kisslinux i hate you
2021-04-21T21:14:16 #kisslinux so fucking much
2021-04-21T21:14:18 #kisslinux >:V
2021-04-21T21:14:23 #kisslinux cringelord
2021-04-21T21:14:26 #kisslinux this is slander
2021-04-21T21:14:28 #kisslinux lol
2021-04-21T21:14:34 #kisslinux i refuse to take this lying down
2021-04-21T21:14:38 #kisslinux my bot actually worked!
2021-04-21T21:14:38 #kisslinux unsheathe your blade, ruffian
2021-04-21T21:14:52 #kisslinux stop cringing so much and you won't collapse onto the ground lad
2021-04-21T21:14:57 #kisslinux s/ls//
2021-04-21T21:14:57 #kisslinux unsheathe your blade, ruffian
2021-04-21T21:15:24 #kisslinux even if that'd work it probably wouldn't send the output over IRC
2021-04-21T21:15:31 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-04-21T21:15:34 #kisslinux was just curious :p
2021-04-21T21:15:35 #kisslinux hacked
2021-04-21T21:15:39 #kisslinux heckermen
2021-04-21T21:15:47 #kisslinux heckinmemes
2021-04-21T21:15:53 #kisslinux kek
2021-04-21T21:15:54 #kisslinux there's no shell in the bot
2021-04-21T21:16:05 #kisslinux but there's a ghost in the sh
2021-04-21T21:16:14 #kisslinux s/$(ls)//
2021-04-21T21:16:14 #kisslinux kek
2021-04-21T21:16:17 #kisslinux :thinking:
2021-04-21T21:16:24 #kisslinux that reminds me
2021-04-21T21:16:28 #kisslinux I need to package mrsh
2021-04-21T21:16:36 #kisslinux it's actually pretty comfy ngl
2021-04-21T21:17:09 #kisslinux https://i.4cdn.org/g/1619038272213.png
2021-04-21T21:17:13 #kisslinux >linux gui apps
2021-04-21T21:17:27 #kisslinux the absolute state of computer users, I swear
2021-04-21T21:23:39 #kisslinux embrace, extend, ...
2021-04-21T21:23:59 #kisslinux no way dude
2021-04-21T21:24:06 #kisslinux microshit loves open source
2021-04-21T21:24:27 #kisslinux remember that they open-sourced their calculator and the original file explorer!
2021-04-21T21:26:51 #kisslinux don't forget MS-DOS v1.0 !!
2021-04-21T21:26:58 #kisslinux right, right
2021-04-21T21:27:06 #kisslinux i'm sure freedos really benefitted from that
2021-04-21T21:27:15 #kisslinux as production-critical of a system as it is
2021-04-21T21:27:30 #kisslinux fuckin hell
2021-04-21T21:27:37 #kisslinux I used to argue with someone about this all the time
2021-04-21T21:28:08 #kisslinux he was totally willing to drop the past twenty-ish years of Microsoft's behavior over those minor releases.
2021-04-21T21:28:12 #kisslinux which is just...
2021-04-21T21:28:14 #kisslinux how
2021-04-21T21:31:31 #kisslinux hm. ironically, i cannot get alsa to play audio over displayport
2021-04-21T21:31:43 #kisslinux this is the opposite of my traditional problem of it always playing over displayport
2021-04-21T21:31:50 #kisslinux stupid question
2021-04-21T21:31:51 #kisslinux but
2021-04-21T21:31:56 #kisslinux have you selected the GPU's sound card
2021-04-21T21:32:01 #kisslinux yes
2021-04-21T21:32:09 #kisslinux i mean
2021-04-21T21:32:11 #kisslinux if that's not it then idk :v
2021-04-21T21:32:15 #kisslinux I can identify it via speaker-test
2021-04-21T21:32:30 #kisslinux speaker-test -Dhw:0,3 -c2 does what I expect
2021-04-21T21:32:35 #kisslinux multi-sound card systems are always weird
2021-04-21T21:32:36 #kisslinux there's like
2021-04-21T21:32:41 #kisslinux but setting card 0/device 3 in asound.conf, it just doesn't do it
2021-04-21T21:32:46 #kisslinux I disabled the onboard audio
2021-04-21T21:32:46 #kisslinux ah
2021-04-21T21:32:56 #kisslinux then yeah that's strange
2021-04-21T21:41:52 #kisslinux wow hey nice host
2021-04-21T21:41:53 #kisslinux :v
2021-04-21T21:41:54 #kisslinux moving /etc/asound.conf to ~/.asoundrc resolved the problem, becuase chromium magically became picky?
2021-04-21T21:41:56 #kisslinux hm
2021-04-21T21:42:01 #kisslinux >chromium
2021-04-21T21:42:02 #kisslinux found the problem
2021-04-21T21:42:04 #kisslinux use pale moon
2021-04-21T21:42:11 #kisslinux ha
2021-04-21T21:43:10 #kisslinux no
2021-04-21T21:44:29 #kisslinux use seamonkey then
2021-04-21T21:44:36 #kisslinux it's almost as based
2021-04-21T21:46:38 #kisslinux seamonkey is like emacs for the internet
2021-04-21T21:46:49 #kisslinux emacs is emacs for the internet
2021-04-21T21:46:51 #kisslinux but I get your point
2021-04-21T21:47:05 #kisslinux my ideal browser would be just the browser component of seamonkey, gtk2, and alsa
2021-04-21T21:47:12 #kisslinux "just use firefucks mid"
2021-04-21T21:47:12 #kisslinux no
2021-04-21T21:47:28 #kisslinux just use firefox mid
2021-04-21T21:47:42 #kisslinux i would sooner write my own browser
2021-04-21T21:47:54 #kisslinux why
2021-04-21T21:48:05 #kisslinux ignoring that mozilla is exceptionally pozzed
2021-04-21T21:48:27 #kisslinux firefox is bloated, lacks extensions that I use, requires GTK3, requires Rust, and so on
2021-04-21T21:48:49 #kisslinux okay that's all very fair
2021-04-21T22:03:54 #kisslinux imagine complaining about bloat and insisting on extensions
2021-04-21T22:04:29 #kisslinux "bloat" is features that are extraneous and unneeded
2021-04-21T22:04:57 #kisslinux content filtering and fingerprint resistance are both needed
2021-04-21T22:05:11 #kisslinux "oh but mid installing extensions makes you easier to fingerprint"
2021-04-21T22:05:17 #kisslinux if you enable JS sure.
2021-04-21T22:06:09 #kisslinux The guy who develops serenity os and creates everything from scratch is also writing a webbrowser.
2021-04-21T22:06:23 #kisslinux yeah
2021-04-21T22:06:26 #kisslinux libweb and libjs
2021-04-21T22:06:49 #kisslinux Maybe we have anytim soon(10years^^) an alternative :v
2021-04-21T22:06:59 #kisslinux doubtful
2021-04-21T22:21:51 #kisslinux AI generated web browsers let's go
2021-04-21T22:22:26 #kisslinux anbody happen to have on hand the size of an LTO gcc + a PGO gcc?
2021-04-21T22:22:39 #kisslinux PGO?
2021-04-21T22:22:48 #kisslinux profile guided optimization
2021-04-21T22:22:52 #kisslinux ah, figured
2021-04-21T22:22:58 #kisslinux i was considering using profiling
2021-04-21T22:23:06 #kisslinux LTO LLVM is like, 250 MB bigger. PGO is 100
2021-04-21T22:23:11 #kisslinux cannot get it to build with both :v
2021-04-21T22:23:19 #kisslinux also PGO clang cannot build musl, go figure...
2021-04-21T22:23:35 #kisslinux would be nice if I could modify kiss to append profile generation versus profile usage to build flags...
2021-04-21T22:24:06 #kisslinux gentoo but kiss, that would be neato
2021-04-21T22:24:10 #kisslinux you could probably just echo the file's location into the build script...
2021-04-21T22:24:24 #kisslinux meson makes PGO trivial. that's +1 for meson
2021-04-21T22:24:39 #kisslinux i mean, I was just going to do something with checking whether it exists in the kiss/installed directory
2021-04-21T22:24:47 #kisslinux but w/e
2021-04-21T22:24:58 #kisslinux very much a "well that would be nice" thought
2021-04-21T22:25:07 #kisslinux the hardest part about PGO is identifying what good coverage even looks like, when you didn't code it
2021-04-21T22:25:35 #kisslinux PGO seems like more work than it's worth, honestly
2021-04-21T22:25:48 #kisslinux chromium has bad coverage even without PGO :v
2021-04-21T22:26:21 #kisslinux it is.
2021-04-21T22:26:42 #kisslinux who would've guessed that building something two to four times for speed improvements usually wont' result in you personally regaining that time back
2021-04-21T22:26:52 #kisslinux well
2021-04-21T22:26:53 #kisslinux i mean
2021-04-21T22:26:55 #kisslinux but if you build binaries! maybe better. the collective speed gains would be pretty good...
2021-04-21T22:26:56 #kisslinux if it was, say
2021-04-21T22:26:57 #kisslinux xorg
2021-04-21T22:27:03 #kisslinux or gcc itself
2021-04-21T22:27:08 #kisslinux I don't even know that xorg would benefit from PGO
2021-04-21T22:27:09 #kisslinux or something beefy like blender
2021-04-21T22:27:11 #kisslinux gcc does, certainly
2021-04-21T22:27:23 #kisslinux i feel like the beefier a program is, the more PGO would benefit it
2021-04-21T22:27:26 #kisslinux benchmarks put it at somewhere between 7-18% compile time improvements
2021-04-21T22:27:32 #kisslinux that's pretty okay
2021-04-21T22:27:40 #kisslinux indeed!
2021-04-21T22:27:54 #kisslinux thing is, doesn't PGO optimize for your specific machine?
2021-04-21T22:28:01 #kisslinux so binary distribution would uh
2021-04-21T22:28:03 #kisslinux render it null and void
2021-04-21T22:28:07 #kisslinux just code paths afaik?
2021-04-21T22:28:13 #kisslinux but probably...
2021-04-21T22:28:16 #kisslinux you know more about it than I do
2021-04-21T22:28:23 #kisslinux i did a deep-dive on kernel options the other day
2021-04-21T22:28:25 #kisslinux I know v little
2021-04-21T22:28:40 #kisslinux someone in here was doing full LTO+PGO but i forget whom. they would know a fair bit more
2021-04-21T22:28:43 #kisslinux basically I went through every single menu, and if I intended to change it, I spent like half an hour researching it
2021-04-21T22:28:52 #kisslinux :v I did that last year.
2021-04-21T22:29:06 #kisslinux took about a week just reading up on options
2021-04-21T22:29:11 #kisslinux do you know how to get the stronger variants of stack poisoning to appear?
2021-04-21T22:29:19 #kisslinux in relation to memory init
2021-04-21T22:32:16 #kisslinux mesa pgo seems to offer noticable performance improvements that i noticed in the short time i was playing around with it though never got a chance to do extensive benchmarks before btrfs attacked
2021-04-21T22:32:31 #kisslinux zuck is out to get you
2021-04-21T22:32:37 #kisslinux though someone on the mesa dev ml was also talking about it
2021-04-21T22:32:42 #kisslinux https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2020-February/224091.html
2021-04-21T22:42:09 #kisslinux i have no idea mid
2021-04-21T22:54:21 #kisslinux these fucking soydevs at coolermaster
2021-04-21T22:54:24 #kisslinux using JS to display images
2021-04-21T22:54:28 #kisslinux reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
2021-04-21T22:59:06 #kisslinux can't have it all
2021-04-21T23:00:23 #kisslinux hello
2021-04-21T23:01:21 #kisslinux hi mmatongo
2021-04-21T23:01:44 #kisslinux Hi acheam
2021-04-21T23:02:17 #kisslinux back on my laptop
2021-04-21T23:05:07 #kisslinux nice
2021-04-21T23:05:11 #kisslinux begone windows
2021-04-21T23:05:38 #kisslinux oh no I still have the transformer book, I might try to run kiss on it
2021-04-21T23:05:52 #kisslinux mmatongo: can you help me settle a decision? I'm deciding between buying a short domain like ux.gy or acheam.cc and am undecided
2021-04-21T23:06:11 #kisslinux ouu, I like ux.gy
2021-04-21T23:06:37 #kisslinux thanks1
2021-04-21T23:06:41 #kisslinux s/1/!/g
2021-04-21T23:06:41 #kisslinux thanks!
2021-04-21T23:06:59 #kisslinux I can't imagine it would be super difficult to run kiss on?
2021-04-21T23:07:54 #kisslinux IIRC linux has good support for touchscreens and stuff out of the box
2021-04-21T23:10:14 #kisslinux let's see, also I need help sliming down my kernel size
2021-04-21T23:10:57 #kisslinux whys that
2021-04-21T23:11:11 #kisslinux just for fun?
2021-04-21T23:11:15 #kisslinux currently my kernel is at 10.7M
2021-04-21T23:11:28 #kisslinux oh my
2021-04-21T23:11:44 #kisslinux it's gigantic, yeah I want it sub 10 megabytes
2021-04-21T23:17:54 #kisslinux what is considered to be a reasonable size for a minimal kernel?
2021-04-21T23:18:05 #kisslinux cause i thought mine was minimal and its 9.5M
2021-04-21T23:18:24 #kisslinux for context, the default Arch kernel is 8.9M
2021-04-21T23:18:33 #kisslinux well they use modules
2021-04-21T23:18:36 #kisslinux so it doesn't count
2021-04-21T23:18:41 #kisslinux okay that's fair
2021-04-21T23:19:18 #kisslinux mine is fat cause I turned on KVM, before it was just under 9.7M
2021-04-21T23:19:45 #kisslinux not sure what to get rid of right now to make it smaller.
2021-04-21T23:20:06 #kisslinux yeah, thats my problem too
2021-04-21T23:20:18 #kisslinux and tbh its small enough that i dont care that much
2021-04-21T23:21:11 #kisslinux I'll be satisfied when it's below 10M
2021-04-21T23:21:29 #kisslinux if there was someone with a minimal kernel that was like 5M, i would be concerned
2021-04-21T23:21:29 #kisslinux mine's 7
2021-04-21T23:21:37 #kisslinux how
2021-04-21T23:21:57 #kisslinux wyverkiss# grep -c '=y' config
2021-04-21T23:21:58 #kisslinux 946
2021-04-21T23:22:09 #kisslinux i've had it at 700 before, kernel was maybe 6mb
2021-04-21T23:22:39 #kisslinux https://0x0.st/-mrY.txt
2021-04-21T23:22:45 #kisslinux my config
2021-04-21T23:22:55 #kisslinux how'd you get it so small
2021-04-21T23:23:46 #kisslinux like i told mid xD a solid week of going through every option meticulously
2021-04-21T23:23:57 #kisslinux if the option did not spark joy, I toggled it off
2021-04-21T23:24:04 #kisslinux damn your kernel is leet
2021-04-21T23:24:14 #kisslinux 1337 =y's
2021-04-21T23:24:16 #kisslinux it's a lean mean tux printing machine
2021-04-21T23:24:35 #kisslinux grep -c '=y' config on mine is 1337
2021-04-21T23:24:43 #kisslinux im at 1210
2021-04-21T23:24:43 #kisslinux leet
2021-04-21T23:24:51 #kisslinux "CONFIG_CC_IS_GCC=y" i've identified the problem
2021-04-21T23:25:04 #kisslinux oof
2021-04-21T23:25:11 #kisslinux just disable that and you can compile with tcc or cproc
2021-04-21T23:25:24 #kisslinux hold
2021-04-21T23:25:30 #kisslinux let me test this
2021-04-21T23:25:35 #kisslinux (its a joke)
2021-04-21T23:25:40 #kisslinux haha
2021-04-21T23:26:03 #kisslinux I can't send emoji
2021-04-21T23:26:10 #kisslinux you mean you didn't see the mailing list?
2021-04-21T23:26:22 #kisslinux they rewrote the kernel in c89
2021-04-21T23:26:29 #kisslinux and made it compiler agnostic
2021-04-21T23:26:30 #kisslinux ls
2021-04-21T23:26:32 #kisslinux oops
2021-04-21T23:26:35 #kisslinux i'm not on the mailing list
2021-04-21T23:27:00 #kisslinux (its a joke)
2021-04-21T23:27:13 #kisslinux huh
2021-04-21T23:27:23 #kisslinux that's a client issue if you can't send emoji
2021-04-21T23:27:28 #kisslinux 🚀
2021-04-21T23:27:34 #kisslinux mmatongo: nvm
2021-04-21T23:27:35 #kisslinux oooooooooh
2021-04-21T23:27:57 #kisslinux I think I get it
2021-04-21T23:28:29 #kisslinux out of pure curiosity
2021-04-21T23:29:18 #kisslinux imagine rewriting 30mm lines of code to be C99 compliant
2021-04-21T23:29:19 #kisslinux CONFIG_64BIT=y, CONFIG_X86_64=y,CONFIG_X86=y
2021-04-21T23:29:52 #kisslinux sounds like hell
2021-04-21T23:31:32 #kisslinux sounds eutopic
2021-04-21T23:32:14 #kisslinux https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/commit/13a9303baa6d6cc385abdcc322fd8350e440a3de
2021-04-21T23:32:44 #kisslinux madlad
2021-04-21T23:32:59 #kisslinux wasn't even the smallest i'd ever gotten it :X
2021-04-21T23:33:25 #kisslinux any given person is only running a fraction of the 30m lines, so i wonder how much work it would take to get the portion that i used c11 compliant
2021-04-21T23:34:09 #kisslinux that's still many a million of lines
2021-04-21T23:34:24 #kisslinux how hard would it be though to portit
2021-04-21T23:34:41 #kisslinux https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/commit/0be7f29cee856e45eb5e93f355cf3e44b09c5b40
2021-04-21T23:34:45 #kisslinux i'm sad my commit messages never get read
2021-04-21T23:35:19 #kisslinux there's probably a few gnu extensions that are necessary like extended inline assembly, but beyond that im not sure
2021-04-21T23:37:24 #kisslinux dilyn: now they will
2021-04-21T23:37:25 #kisslinux https://i.imgur.com/RTBHJ9z.png
2021-04-21T23:38:06 #kisslinux i can't believe that you used a linux kiss package
2021-04-21T23:38:18 #kisslinux i couldn't live without incremental builds
2021-04-21T23:38:58 #kisslinux patience is a virtue my friend
2021-04-21T23:39:19 #kisslinux lmao
2021-04-21T23:39:24 #kisslinux enshrined eternally
2021-04-21T23:39:40 #kisslinux i just wanted to show it could be done!
2021-04-21T23:39:49 #kisslinux because in the beginning it was the most requested 'how would i' things
2021-04-21T23:40:59 #kisslinux i see
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