2021-03-31T00:08:11 #kisslinux Can someone recomend a lighter browser than chromium and firefox and derivatives?
2021-03-31T00:08:41 #kisslinux Firefox has been compiling for the past 2 hours, and i am already sick of it
2021-03-31T00:18:46 #kisslinux mhh
2021-03-31T00:19:02 #kisslinux if you want a complete experience, I doubt
2021-03-31T00:19:02 #kisslinux depends, do you need full features?
2021-03-31T00:19:05 #kisslinux yeah
2021-03-31T00:19:38 #kisslinux if you're ok with subpar browsing there are like browsers using qt and gtk's webviews iirc
2021-03-31T00:19:47 #kisslinux like suckless' surf
2021-03-31T00:21:17 #kisslinux If you don't 'need' firefox compiled from source you can download the kiss pkg from repo-bin
2021-03-31T00:21:27 #kisslinux I can quick make a bin package for it as well
2021-03-31T00:21:43 #kisslinux (thought I had done it before I left home but... Guess I never pushed it)
2021-03-31T00:22:15 #kisslinux oooh, did you separe bin packages from community=
2021-03-31T00:22:21 #kisslinux s/=/?
2021-03-31T00:22:22 #kisslinux oooh, did you separe bin packages from community?
2021-03-31T00:22:26 #kisslinux what
2021-03-31T00:22:51 #kisslinux OH
2021-03-31T00:23:14 #kisslinux I really didn't know that was a thing, I like, thought it was a convention or something for specific client
2021-03-31T00:23:17 #kisslinux Lol
2021-03-31T00:23:21 #kisslinux s/client/clients/
2021-03-31T00:23:22 #kisslinux I really didn't know that was a thing, I like, thought it was a convention or something for specific clients
2021-03-31T00:23:25 #kisslinux I LOVE THIS
2021-03-31T00:23:30 #kisslinux It is, but someone was kind enough to implement a bot for it
2021-03-31T00:23:52 #kisslinux awww thanks bot dude
2021-03-31T00:25:14 #kisslinux well, so did you separe bins from community?
2021-03-31T00:25:21 #kisslinux if yes, that's a wonderful idea
2021-03-31T00:26:00 #kisslinux Are there any up to date binary packages
2021-03-31T00:26:26 #kisslinux just for firefox right now
2021-03-31T00:26:28 #kisslinux I saw some in old repos, but i belive they are a bit outdated
2021-03-31T00:27:18 #kisslinux at some point, I'll probably figuire out a build server situation for myself, and I'll make the binaries public, but it won't be part of kiss-community
2021-03-31T00:27:41 #kisslinux probably in early summer, when I have some time to get KISS on this laptop
2021-03-31T00:27:47 #kisslinux I was contemplating the best way to do -bins; I think having them in their own repo is best considering I want to do rust-bin/llvm-bin/clang-bin/nodejs-bin, and modifying depends handling for -bins seems annoying
2021-03-31T00:28:12 #kisslinux I guess I'll probably switch to kiss in the summer too, if GPUs finally get cheap enough
2021-03-31T00:28:32 #kisslinux I have bins for all those, they just were never uploaded :x they'll be up when I get home in ~2 weeks, but firefox 87 is up
2021-03-31T00:28:42 #kisslinux wya dilynm?
2021-03-31T00:31:04 #kisslinux Tennessee visiting family for ~easter~
2021-03-31T00:31:13 #kisslinux Had to get out of the city. Stretch my legs
2021-03-31T00:35:14 #kisslinux nice
2021-03-31T00:42:22 #kisslinux well, gtg for now
2021-03-31T00:42:25 #kisslinux cya!
2021-03-31T00:55:29 #kisslinux Alright, clone $/kiss-community/repo-bin and prepend repo-bin/bin to $KISS_PATH, and kiss b firefox should "build" thr binary :)
2021-03-31T01:10:25 #kisslinux nice
2021-03-31T01:11:13 #kisslinux it seems kind of redundant for kiss to generate a new package from the bin package lol
2021-03-31T01:17:13 #kisslinux The new package is just cp usr $1/usr
2021-03-31T01:17:23 #kisslinux There might be a better way but eh
2021-03-31T01:17:29 #kisslinux It's already so much faster xD
2021-03-31T01:19:44 #kisslinux Could also do #?no-extract and extract it to $1 but; there's probably not a huge difference tho
2021-03-31T01:24:08 #kisslinux how dare you waste the write cycles on my ssd
2021-03-31T01:24:43 #kisslinux Technically I am saving you many write cycles
2021-03-31T01:49:03 #kisslinux but not as many as could be saved
2021-03-31T01:49:11 #kisslinux do a better job at saving me, damn it!
2021-03-31T01:52:20 #kisslinux F
2021-03-31T02:24:41 #kisslinux website is down?
2021-03-31T02:24:55 #kisslinux k1sslinux.org
2021-03-31T02:25:34 #kisslinux k1ss.org is expired, and our former BDFL has been out of contact since November, so no getting it back
2021-03-31T02:26:11 #kisslinux daaaa, im a nut
2021-03-31T02:26:19 #kisslinux tks
2021-03-31T02:26:22 #kisslinux :)
2021-03-31T02:26:54 #kisslinux are you a brazillian sailor?
2021-03-31T02:27:05 #kisslinux ie; whats the story behind the nick?
2021-03-31T02:27:47 #kisslinux long one :))
2021-03-31T02:28:51 #kisslinux so I take it my brazillian sailor guess is junk then
2021-03-31T02:29:26 #kisslinux I got a question, the OS is all open to the user, or we have hidden logs everywhere like other OS?
2021-03-31T02:30:02 #kisslinux Selinux is present?
2021-03-31T02:31:37 #kisslinux i mean, lots of programs write log files
2021-03-31T02:31:57 #kisslinux KISS gives you a very bare minimum to start with, no SELinux, or anything
2021-03-31T02:32:33 #kisslinux I haven't heard of anybody using it on KISS, and I can't imagine that it would be super easy to do
2021-03-31T02:33:23 #kisslinux No, Im running of
2021-03-31T02:35:18 #kisslinux then you'll be right at home here
2021-03-31T02:36:07 #kisslinux I will take a deep look to the code, someone test it in a TAP or gdb to know if theres no hidden metadata transmmiting?
2021-03-31T02:36:44 #kisslinux not needed
2021-03-31T02:36:47 #kisslinux Im a realistic (paranoid)
2021-03-31T02:36:49 #kisslinux the kiss source code is very simple
2021-03-31T02:37:42 #kisslinux the only networking stuff it uses AFAIK is git and curl
2021-03-31T02:38:01 #kisslinux https://github.com/kiss-community/kiss/blob/master/kiss
2021-03-31T02:38:13 #kisslinux less than 1000 SLOC, and lots of comments
2021-03-31T02:39:00 #kisslinux Great, I will read and put my fingers to work! :))
2021-03-31T02:39:42 #kisslinux seriously, there's no way it could send anything back
2021-03-31T02:40:27 #kisslinux merakor2: do you know why kiss uses "set -ef" instead of putting it in the shebang?
2021-03-31T02:44:34 #kisslinux because you can call it like "sh kiss" and then the shebang isn't used
2021-03-31T02:44:44 #kisslinux acheam:
2021-03-31T02:51:40 #kisslinux E5ten: ah thanks
2021-03-31T02:52:02 #kisslinux is there any reason we don't prefer this method for other scripts?
2021-03-31T02:52:22 #kisslinux I see most people here using "#!/usr/bin/sh -e"
2021-03-31T02:52:34 #kisslinux or rather, "#!/bin/sh -e"
2021-03-31T02:53:12 #kisslinux acheam: no idea, they probably shouldn't be
2021-03-31T02:54:30 #kisslinux although I guess for build scripts, those are only supposed to be executed by kiss directly, and just running it with sh doesn't really make sense, so it's probably fine for those?
2021-03-31T02:58:47 #kisslinux hmm yeah
2021-03-31T05:57:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-31T07:54:06 #kisslinux acheam: I do it specifically because it's a library, I don't think many people call sh kiss instead of just kiss
2021-03-31T07:54:42 #kisslinux It isn't strictly necessary, but it's okay to have
2021-03-31T07:55:00 #kisslinux s/okay/nice/
2021-03-31T07:55:02 #kisslinux It isn't strictly necessary, but it's nice to have
2021-03-31T12:33:33 #kisslinux thanks merakor
2021-03-31T12:35:17 #kisslinux acheam I'm willing to bet most people use their build scripts with /bin/sh -e because a) that's what the packages maintained by dylan used and b) that's what's generated by KISS itself
2021-03-31T12:35:19 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-31T12:35:22 #kisslinux anyway good morning everyone
2021-03-31T12:36:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-31T12:36:47 #kisslinux ih
2021-03-31T12:37:56 #kisslinux o/
2021-03-31T13:09:37 #kisslinux anyone remember Claudia's github page?
2021-03-31T13:09:50 #kisslinux (or whever they keep their kiss repos)
2021-03-31T13:10:07 #kisslinux I forgot the pattern of S's and D's
2021-03-31T13:12:25 #kisslinux nvm found it
2021-03-31T13:24:27 #kisslinux zig zig zig zig
2021-03-31T13:24:29 #kisslinux how fun
2021-03-31T13:28:06 #kisslinux we use #!/bin/sh -e because what mad lad would ./pkg/build when kiss b pkg exists! :P
2021-03-31T13:56:10 #kisslinux GNU GMP and whatnot are supposed to be included with the GCC package, right?
2021-03-31T14:05:29 #kisslinux gmp/mpfr/mpc are all built with gcc yeah
2021-03-31T14:05:36 #kisslinux :thinking:
2021-03-31T14:05:51 #kisslinux building 5.11rc3 with GCC extensions throws errors that they aren't found
2021-03-31T14:05:56 #kisslinux tested in a fresh tarball and existing system
2021-03-31T14:06:02 #kisslinux ack
2021-03-31T14:06:11 #kisslinux do you have the right versions for 5.11rc3?
2021-03-31T14:06:23 #kisslinux wait, 5.11 of gcc?
2021-03-31T14:06:42 #kisslinux ...fuck I totally forgot to mention what 'm building
2021-03-31T14:06:47 #kisslinux lmao
2021-03-31T14:06:49 #kisslinux the latest kernel
2021-03-31T14:07:04 #kisslinux oh. hm.
2021-03-31T14:07:29 #kisslinux fwiw installing the standalone gmp package fixes the gmp not found problem
2021-03-31T14:07:30 #kisslinux I build 5.11* just fine
2021-03-31T14:07:35 #kisslinux or do you mean 5.12rc?
2021-03-31T14:07:45 #kisslinux 99% sure 5.11
2021-03-31T14:07:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> "latest" seems to be 5.12-rc5
2021-03-31T14:07:55 #kisslinux but this is from yesterday and I was severely sleep-deprived so let me check
2021-03-31T14:08:26 #kisslinux okay yeah 5.12rc3
2021-03-31T14:08:35 #kisslinux * midfavila facedesks
2021-03-31T14:08:53 #kisslinux lol
2021-03-31T14:08:54 #kisslinux well let's see
2021-03-31T14:09:20 #kisslinux it's a whatever since you really shouldn't run RC kernels anyway, but I figured I'd point out that it's a thing that definitely happens
2021-03-31T14:11:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> downloaded rc5 tarball rn, built just fine with regular gcc
2021-03-31T14:12:10 #kisslinux :thinking:
2021-03-31T14:12:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> maybe they messed up something in rc3
2021-03-31T14:12:40 #kisslinux perhaps
2021-03-31T14:12:46 #kisslinux it wouldn't be the first time
2021-03-31T14:12:51 #kisslinux i'll just build the latest stable libre
2021-03-31T14:12:53 #kisslinux meh
2021-03-31T14:13:10 #kisslinux I get a fun error tho
2021-03-31T14:13:18 #kisslinux lol
2021-03-31T14:13:22 #kisslinux let me guess
2021-03-31T14:13:28 #kisslinux i'm gonna use my internet psychic powers
2021-03-31T14:13:35 #kisslinux and say that it was something to do with endianness
2021-03-31T14:13:49 #kisslinux indeed
2021-03-31T14:13:55 #kisslinux yup, I got the same thing
2021-03-31T14:13:56 #kisslinux well at the end
2021-03-31T14:14:02 #kisslinux they must have made a mistake in rc3
2021-03-31T14:14:03 #kisslinux the first few are 'exected; before unsigned'
2021-03-31T14:14:06 #kisslinux it's a linux headers issue
2021-03-31T14:14:08 #kisslinux yeah
2021-03-31T14:14:10 #kisslinux no i'm using rc5
2021-03-31T14:14:16 #kisslinux o h
2021-03-31T14:14:18 #kisslinux hm
2021-03-31T14:14:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its possible that its only triggered by specific kernel config though
2021-03-31T14:14:38 #kisslinux also possible
2021-03-31T14:14:47 #kisslinux also my thought
2021-03-31T14:14:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gotta test it with make allyesconfig
2021-03-31T14:15:14 #kisslinux thing is, I got the same problem with defconfig
2021-03-31T14:15:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> how long does it take to fail?
2021-03-31T14:16:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> building rn
2021-03-31T14:16:05 #kisslinux fails almost immediately
2021-03-31T14:16:23 #kisslinux like maybe five seconds at the most on my laptop
2021-03-31T14:17:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh yeah it does fail with gmp, i forgot i had a riced gcc on my main
2021-03-31T14:17:23 #kisslinux >he rices gcc
2021-03-31T14:17:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but its just a regular no such file or dir gmp.h
2021-03-31T14:17:29 #kisslinux kek
2021-03-31T14:17:40 #kisslinux what are your USE flags testuser
2021-03-31T14:17:44 #kisslinux was there a gcc update we don't know about
2021-03-31T14:17:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i stole that pgo build script from admicos
2021-03-31T14:17:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> makes gcc go big fast
2021-03-31T14:18:06 #kisslinux vroom vroom
2021-03-31T14:18:08 #kisslinux gcc? more like thicc cc
2021-03-31T14:18:13 #kisslinux shecc
2021-03-31T14:18:21 #kisslinux lmao
2021-03-31T14:18:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait wtf i dont have a gmp.h on either kiss installs
2021-03-31T14:18:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> how does one work then
2021-03-31T14:18:48 #kisslinux I knew I wasn't being autistic
2021-03-31T14:20:54 #kisslinux not this time, probably
2021-03-31T14:20:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i dont have a libgmp or something either, the only difference is that this gcc is built with support for something called "isl"
2021-03-31T14:21:06 #kisslinux Woot dilynm
2021-03-31T14:21:08 #kisslinux 'in search of lovers'
2021-03-31T14:21:37 #kisslinux okay side note, something that's always bothered me-
2021-03-31T14:21:49 #kisslinux why are macintosh drivers enabled by default in kernel configs?
2021-03-31T14:22:18 #kisslinux gcc requires that gmp/mpfr/mpc are in the source tree at build time because it uses them during the build - I have no idea to what extant they sit around after gcc has pumped and dumped 'em
2021-03-31T14:22:29 #kisslinux because mac users don't know they're special
2021-03-31T14:22:41 #kisslinux "special"
2021-03-31T14:22:53 #kisslinux also because there's probably no obvious way for make defconfig to know if it's a mac because it's all intel hardware
2021-03-31T14:23:12 #kisslinux should disable it by default then
2021-03-31T14:23:12 #kisslinux smh
2021-03-31T14:23:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ok wtf it started failing on the originally working system too
2021-03-31T14:23:21 #kisslinux yeah but mac users don't know they're special
2021-03-31T14:23:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> stopped
2021-03-31T14:23:27 #kisslinux lel
2021-03-31T14:23:34 #kisslinux then mac users should go back
2021-03-31T14:24:22 #kisslinux someone should see if building 5.12rc5 fails on something like void/arch/gentoo
2021-03-31T14:24:36 #kisslinux have we checked the gentoo forums? are they raging yet
2021-03-31T14:24:36 #kisslinux inb4 it's because you need rust
2021-03-31T14:24:44 #kisslinux kiss on plan 9 when
2021-03-31T14:24:46 #kisslinux lol only for some modules that aren't enabled by default
2021-03-31T14:25:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ahh i think its because the first time i tried allyesconfig it started compiling the thing that needed gmp.h LATER so i didnt notice it
2021-03-31T14:25:24 #kisslinux also what the fuck linux-libre team why did you disable kernel stack variable hardening
2021-03-31T14:25:30 #kisslinux >:cccccccccccc
2021-03-31T14:25:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> old config seems to work fine still
2021-03-31T14:27:25 #kisslinux allyesconfig will also fail at another different point on regular KISS
2021-03-31T14:27:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ok im a dumbass, only make allyesconfig fails instantly but make defconfig works (seems to be working so far)so theres some mysterious config option causing it
2021-03-31T14:28:02 #kisslinux I mean it's a chain started by some dumb objtool problem
2021-03-31T14:28:10 #kisslinux solution: remove libelf, disable orc unwinder
2021-03-31T14:28:17 #kisslinux hobble your kernel, mid. it is the way
2021-03-31T14:28:41 #kisslinux no thank you sirs
2021-03-31T14:28:45 #kisslinux will just use older stable kernel
2021-03-31T14:29:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> defconfig worked fine too
2021-03-31T14:29:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> how does defconfig work ? checks loaded modules and stuff ? cuz it built pretty quick
2021-03-31T14:30:02 #kisslinux uses a default config
2021-03-31T14:30:08 #kisslinux makelocalyesconfig checks loaded modules
2021-03-31T14:30:45 #kisslinux it's a default config for your hardware, afaik
2021-03-31T14:30:49 #kisslinux the 'usual options' for x86
2021-03-31T14:30:52 #kisslinux platform, but yeh
2021-03-31T14:30:57 #kisslinux yes platform sry
2021-03-31T14:31:10 #kisslinux god fucking damnit now I'm getting a problem with kernel headers
2021-03-31T14:31:14 #kisslinux how annoying
2021-03-31T14:31:17 #kisslinux kek
2021-03-31T14:31:52 #kisslinux is 5.10.27 the new lts headers?? hrng
2021-03-31T14:31:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm weird cuz it barely built like 5 modules
2021-03-31T14:32:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> for a default config
2021-03-31T14:32:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-03-31T14:36:56 #kisslinux hm. should default llvm build for all targets instead of just host and amdgpu?
2021-03-31T14:37:17 #kisslinux apparently they compile in roughly the same time either way, and it results in a small but not negligible size increase
2021-03-31T14:40:53 #kisslinux * midfavila screams
2021-03-31T14:41:05 #kisslinux Building an older version now requires bash
2021-03-31T14:41:07 #kisslinux what the FUCK
2021-03-31T14:41:17 #kisslinux ?!
2021-03-31T14:41:19 #kisslinux of the kernel??
2021-03-31T14:41:22 #kisslinux yes
2021-03-31T14:41:33 #kisslinux libre-5.4
2021-03-31T14:41:38 #kisslinux :^)
2021-03-31T14:41:43 #kisslinux hurr muh gpl
2021-03-31T14:41:54 #kisslinux I don't know why I'm made to suffer this way
2021-03-31T14:41:55 #kisslinux but I am
2021-03-31T14:41:55 #kisslinux #freedom #from #choice
2021-03-31T14:44:15 #kisslinux and cpio
2021-03-31T14:44:25 #kisslinux !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
2021-03-31T15:01:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn fwiw building llvm with all targets and trying to compile with clang for aarch64 or any other arch results in missing 32 bit headers (from glibc /usr/include/gnu, not sure of musl behaviour) so not sure how useful it is outside of building zig
2021-03-31T15:01:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> though im not sure how compiling for other arch-es is supposed to work here
2021-03-31T15:01:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> just doing clang -target aarch64 test.c
2021-03-31T15:02:24 #kisslinux yeah that was other concern
2021-03-31T15:02:44 #kisslinux like if I allow llvm in repo/ to start supporting other targets, how long until someone asks for gcc to follow suit?
2021-03-31T15:02:57 #kisslinux I have negative amounts of interest in supporting $platform
2021-03-31T15:03:20 #kisslinux I think the solution is a package in community named llvm-zig tbh
2021-03-31T15:03:55 #kisslinux but that sort of kicks the can, maybe.
2021-03-31T15:04:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> then the person using llvm-zig would have to fix the depends file for clang/any other thing that needs it
2021-03-31T15:04:52 #kisslinux yeah
2021-03-31T15:05:44 #kisslinux why does zig have to be like this
2021-03-31T15:05:52 #kisslinux could they have simply decided to not do this smh
2021-03-31T15:09:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i guess we can "just" wait for zig 0.8.0 as another option
2021-03-31T15:10:50 #kisslinux does zig 0.8.0 change this requirement?
2021-03-31T15:12:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> im just going off of mmatongo's comment here
2021-03-31T15:12:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/kiss-community/wiki/pull/5/files#r586395449
2021-03-31T15:12:57 #kisslinux Yeah I asked for clarification but he never got back to me
2021-03-31T15:13:13 #kisslinux The only issues I say by mmatonga in the zig repo relates to... not this, seemingly
2021-03-31T15:13:20 #kisslinux andrew didn't really explain it lmao
2021-03-31T15:18:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://andrewkelley.me/post/zig-cc-powerful-drop-in-replacement-gcc-clang.html looks like zig doesnt suffer from the stubs-32.h error so cross compiling will work here atleast
2021-03-31T15:18:28 #kisslinux something going on with objtool...
2021-03-31T15:20:49 #kisslinux "Because of static linking LLD combined with dynamic linking LLVM+Clang. The brew package does not provide a dynamic library for LLD, so Zig cannot solve this. Upstream LLVM needs to fix it, and homebrew needs to do one of these things:" aha
2021-03-31T15:20:54 #kisslinux https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/5055
2021-03-31T15:48:50 #kisslinux hi!
2021-03-31T15:49:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-31T15:50:58 #kisslinux yello!
2021-03-31T15:51:22 #kisslinux working on a simple kiss remote build script
2021-03-31T15:51:40 #kisslinux https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/kiss-repo/tree/1e19b648a53269a3df7ed0336f987ba3b0e1b21e/item/kiss-serv
2021-03-31T15:51:57 #kisslinux ehr, better link: https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/kiss-repo/tree/main/item/kiss-serv
2021-03-31T15:53:08 #kisslinux that's cute and convenient
2021-03-31T15:53:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you can use KISS_PROMPT=0 in kiss build instead of piping yes
2021-03-31T15:53:29 #kisslinux thanks!
2021-03-31T16:05:20 #kisslinux how bad is it do this?
2021-03-31T16:05:22 #kisslinux https://i.imgur.com/5Aeumf4.png
2021-03-31T16:05:33 #kisslinux idk why I screenshotted it
2021-03-31T16:05:39 #kisslinux I'm back
2021-03-31T16:05:45 #kisslinux its just: [ "$3" == "-f" ] && cmd="tail -f" || cmd="cat"
2021-03-31T16:05:45 #kisslinux my network stopped working
2021-03-31T16:05:56 #kisslinux ie: condition && if true || if else
2021-03-31T16:06:08 #kisslinux I know that shellcheck complains about it, but setting a variable can't really fail right?
2021-03-31T16:14:43 #kisslinux okay wew
2021-03-31T16:14:53 #kisslinux laptop's KISS should now be officially free of all proprietary code
2021-03-31T16:14:59 #kisslinux very cool, thank you based FSF
2021-03-31T16:15:21 #kisslinux my autism has been satiated for now
2021-03-31T16:17:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-31T16:17:44 #kisslinux very cool
2021-03-31T16:18:35 #kisslinux i wasn't able to use the libre kernel sources themselves for some reason but it's a valid libre config
2021-03-31T16:18:55 #kisslinux so, w/e
2021-03-31T16:20:04 #kisslinux isn't == problematic
2021-03-31T16:21:13 #kisslinux probably
2021-03-31T16:21:38 #kisslinux yeah == isn't posix
2021-03-31T16:21:44 #kisslinux unbased acheam smh
2021-03-31T16:21:54 #kisslinux oh whoops
2021-03-31T16:21:55 #kisslinux shun the unbased one
2021-03-31T16:21:55 #kisslinux -eq
2021-03-31T16:23:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> now get rid of proprietary hardware midfavila
2021-03-31T16:23:20 #kisslinux that's on the chopping block after proprietary BIOS
2021-03-31T16:23:29 #kisslinux i'm working on it, testuser[m]_
2021-03-31T16:23:34 #kisslinux stop PRESSURING me!
2021-03-31T16:23:36 #kisslinux >:CCC
2021-03-31T16:25:30 #kisslinux Only ancient x86 hardware is able to get rid of proprietary blobs. Bye modern webbrowser
2021-03-31T16:25:42 #kisslinux i mean
2021-03-31T16:25:46 #kisslinux new song, word
2021-03-31T16:25:49 #kisslinux i'm using a laptop from 2016
2021-03-31T16:25:49 #kisslinux also
2021-03-31T16:25:50 #kisslinux acheam
2021-03-31T16:25:54 #kisslinux those are three words
2021-03-31T16:25:56 #kisslinux those are three words acheam
2021-03-31T16:26:02 #kisslinux jynx
2021-03-31T16:26:05 #kisslinux it's not sentence of the day
2021-03-31T16:26:09 #kisslinux yeah those are 3 words
2021-03-31T16:26:12 #kisslinux stfu dilynm
2021-03-31T16:26:15 #kisslinux Could the llv-zig not just swapped with 'kiss a'? This way llvm has just to be build 2x :v
2021-03-31T16:26:20 #kisslinux fixed
2021-03-31T16:26:21 #kisslinux NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE THE THING
2021-03-31T16:26:33 #kisslinux WORDS?
2021-03-31T16:26:43 #kisslinux who has words of the day
2021-03-31T16:26:45 #kisslinux yes.
2021-03-31T16:26:46 #kisslinux that's fuckin stupid
2021-03-31T16:26:56 #kisslinux holy shit I just noticed
2021-03-31T16:27:00 #kisslinux now it's "words of the day"
2021-03-31T16:27:05 #kisslinux that's cheating
2021-03-31T16:27:22 #kisslinux happy now?
2021-03-31T16:27:28 #kisslinux i hate you
2021-03-31T16:27:36 #kisslinux using html doesn't change your sin against god, acheam
2021-03-31T16:27:44 #kisslinux in fact it makes it worse
2021-03-31T16:27:49 #kisslinux way worse
2021-03-31T16:27:50 #kisslinux all the better then
2021-03-31T16:27:59 #kisslinux this is tyranny
2021-03-31T16:28:02 #kisslinux I won't STAND for this
2021-03-31T16:28:12 #kisslinux i'm kneeling at the next football game I go to
2021-03-31T16:28:14 #kisslinux mark my words
2021-03-31T16:28:28 #kisslinux time to make our own kiss fork with an irc community with only single words
2021-03-31T16:28:39 #kisslinux we'll call it: kissword
2021-03-31T16:28:46 #kisslinux wk
2021-03-31T16:29:23 #kisslinux what does that mean?
2021-03-31T16:29:36 #kisslinux wordkiss
2021-03-31T16:29:42 #kisslinux holy shit, it's perfect
2021-03-31T16:29:54 #kisslinux kwiss
2021-03-31T16:30:10 #kisslinux uwu
2021-03-31T16:30:20 #kisslinux stop appropriating my culture bigot
2021-03-31T16:30:30 #kisslinux it took me way too much time to understand what was the joke dilyn
2021-03-31T16:30:41 #kisslinux kiss a | grep ^llvm-zig | kiss a - would indeed allow you to replace llvm, but I don't really like this option too much
2021-03-31T16:31:01 #kisslinux it sets the precedent that community can also have gcc-aarch, for instance
2021-03-31T16:31:19 #kisslinux joke?
2021-03-31T16:31:26 #kisslinux :v
2021-03-31T16:31:49 #kisslinux mid I'm a white man apropriation was the game plan
2021-03-31T16:31:50 #kisslinux always was
2021-03-31T16:31:57 #kisslinux explains everything
2021-03-31T16:32:09 #kisslinux first it was the macbook, then it was working as a barista, now this
2021-03-31T16:34:37 #kisslinux indeed
2021-03-31T16:34:40 #kisslinux I am but a simple monster
2021-03-31T16:35:45 #kisslinux even going as far as appropriating kiss linux itself
2021-03-31T16:37:58 #kisslinux i'm dastardly
2021-03-31T16:42:32 #kisslinux like if I allow llvm in repo/ to start supporting other targets, how long until someone asks for gcc to follow suit?
2021-03-31T16:42:39 #kisslinux the real question is, is it possible for gcc in the first place (without making $ARCH-linux-musl-gcc)? LLVM/Clang is a natural cross-compiler so it is able to do what jedavies' glasnost do with cross-compiling (with just a sysroot requirement iirc), meanwhile I don't really know about gcc
2021-03-31T16:50:29 #kisslinux very true
2021-03-31T16:50:56 #kisslinux but 100+MB size increase for most users just so that community/zig works seems... bad praxis
2021-03-31T16:51:17 #kisslinux if you're gonna add it then just make a minimum viable package
2021-03-31T16:51:23 #kisslinux if the user wants more they can fork and modify
2021-03-31T16:51:42 #kisslinux fair enough, packages in main/ shouldn't bend over just for community/ packages
2021-03-31T16:51:50 #kisslinux right
2021-03-31T16:52:15 #kisslinux I briefly considered bundling the right llvm with zig but that seems horrible for zig users xD
2021-03-31T16:52:26 #kisslinux the solution i keep coming back to is "sorry but no"
2021-03-31T16:53:51 #kisslinux thats a very KISS response
2021-03-31T16:54:45 #kisslinux indeed
2021-03-31T16:54:49 #kisslinux even though zig would be fun to have
2021-03-31T16:55:19 #kisslinux meme languages? in my distro?
2021-03-31T16:55:28 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Does any popular thing use it currently ? i only see that wayland compositor
2021-03-31T16:58:03 #kisslinux Technically isn't it just a drop in replacement for CC?
2021-03-31T16:58:08 #kisslinux so theoretically... everything?
2021-03-31T16:58:53 #kisslinux zig cc or zig the lang?
2021-03-31T16:59:05 #kisslinux cc
2021-03-31T16:59:08 #kisslinux the lang is ofc different
2021-03-31T16:59:10 #kisslinux #better
2021-03-31T16:59:24 #kisslinux ngl I'm not interested until it can compile a kernel
2021-03-31T17:01:34 #kisslinux lmao
2021-03-31T17:01:41 #kisslinux zig cc can't even compile hello world in C
2021-03-31T17:01:47 #kisslinux #innovation
2021-03-31T17:01:53 #kisslinux f
2021-03-31T17:02:27 #kisslinux really gonna show the big boys how it's done
2021-03-31T17:02:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> a.out just segfaulted when i did zig cc hello.c Lol
2021-03-31T17:02:33 #kisslinux yup
2021-03-31T17:02:35 #kisslinux lol
2021-03-31T17:02:46 #kisslinux incredible
2021-03-31T17:02:47 #kisslinux b&
2021-03-31T17:02:52 #kisslinux wasn't the zig compiler based on llvm? Why is it so bad?
2021-03-31T17:02:54 #kisslinux is it the new one?
2021-03-31T17:02:58 #kisslinux because llvm bad
2021-03-31T17:03:03 #kisslinux :o
2021-03-31T17:03:07 #kisslinux face it, anything aplel touches is dogshit, dilynm
2021-03-31T17:03:12 #kisslinux I thought llvm was good
2021-03-31T17:03:19 #kisslinux llvm is bae
2021-03-31T17:03:33 #kisslinux next thing I know you'll replace firefox with a webshit browser
2021-03-31T17:03:41 #kisslinux chromium kappa
2021-03-31T17:03:56 #kisslinux reminder that webbrowser is packaged in my repo = w=
2021-03-31T17:04:04 #kisslinux we don't use botnet packages here
2021-03-31T17:04:07 #kisslinux speaking of, a new release for chromium just came out
2021-03-31T17:04:15 #kisslinux did they fix the libva problem that I painstakingly investigated
2021-03-31T17:04:17 #kisslinux insert soy wojak
2021-03-31T17:04:19 #kisslinux :(
2021-03-31T17:04:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-03-31T17:04:21 #kisslinux when we'll least expect it dilyn will remove all http browsers and add only gemini ones
2021-03-31T17:04:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> arch just stole your patch Lol
2021-03-31T17:04:34 #kisslinux BRUH
2021-03-31T17:04:40 #kisslinux really?
2021-03-31T17:04:40 #kisslinux I've made it lads
2021-03-31T17:04:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-03-31T17:04:49 #kisslinux indirect contribution to arch
2021-03-31T17:04:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they linked the kiss community issue
2021-03-31T17:05:22 #kisslinux we're a real distro now
2021-03-31T17:05:31 #kisslinux we always were
2021-03-31T17:05:37 #kisslinux haha
2021-03-31T17:05:38 #kisslinux even 4chins acknowledges us
2021-03-31T17:05:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its fixed in git chromium so it'll be quite a lot of months till its fixed in a tarball
2021-03-31T17:06:07 #kisslinux really? I've never seen people talking about KISS linux on /g/
2021-03-31T17:06:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its on that installgentoo wiki
2021-03-31T17:06:18 #kisslinux there was a thread about dylan on /g/ the other day
2021-03-31T17:06:23 #kisslinux apparently he showed up somewhere?
2021-03-31T17:06:29 #kisslinux they lifted it down to the name holy shit
2021-03-31T17:06:29 #kisslinux but take /g/ with a grain of salt obvs
2021-03-31T17:06:49 #kisslinux reminder that lisp is the most powerful programming language
2021-03-31T17:06:54 #kisslinux cniles gtfo
2021-03-31T17:07:02 #kisslinux maybe we should ask dylan's mom wuddup
2021-03-31T17:07:16 #kisslinux ask her if I can have her cookie recipe
2021-03-31T17:08:17 #kisslinux https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/80895158/githubcomdylanaraps
2021-03-31T17:08:21 #kisslinux well that was disappointing
2021-03-31T17:09:40 #kisslinux https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Software_minimalism
2021-03-31T17:09:52 #kisslinux we're listed as a minimal distro
2021-03-31T17:10:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Bruh
2021-03-31T17:10:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wtf is that thread
2021-03-31T17:10:38 #kisslinux "A lot of anons suggest Arch Linux or Debian netinst, but since both of these use a GNU userland and systemd they're not minimal." finally some sense
2021-03-31T17:11:04 #kisslinux this wiki page is actually very well written from a quick glance
2021-03-31T17:11:17 #kisslinux g unironically has some useful info
2021-03-31T17:11:30 #kisslinux if you can get past all the screaming about "muh trannies" and "muh sicp"
2021-03-31T17:11:40 #kisslinux agreed
2021-03-31T17:12:00 #kisslinux actually since a trans girl did some pretty based stuff lately /g/ has become way less transphobic
2021-03-31T17:12:13 #kisslinux I guess more people commented positively on it than the usual trolls
2021-03-31T17:12:38 #kisslinux leah tried to get me to port libreboot to one of my older laptops
2021-03-31T17:12:40 #kisslinux and it's like
2021-03-31T17:12:45 #kisslinux dude I can't even program lmao
2021-03-31T17:12:45 #kisslinux just don't go to firefox/brave/rust threads and you'll probably be fine
2021-03-31T17:12:52 #kisslinux lol
2021-03-31T17:13:08 #kisslinux just do it midfavila
2021-03-31T17:13:10 #kisslinux all I can do is screech autistically and make obscure references to SEL
2021-03-31T17:13:11 #kisslinux don't think
2021-03-31T17:13:45 #kisslinux i have to finish K&R
2021-03-31T17:13:59 #kisslinux that's the book I'm working on right now
2021-03-31T17:14:04 #kisslinux good book
2021-03-31T17:14:09 #kisslinux after that it's SICP and HtDP
2021-03-31T17:14:14 #kisslinux and probably intro to algorithms
2021-03-31T17:14:39 #kisslinux i feel like that would give me an okay start with some more theoretical knowledge
2021-03-31T17:15:06 #kisslinux and ideally I'll be working on a set of ultra-lightweight software to provide a... DE, I guess
2021-03-31T17:15:10 #kisslinux I just noticed that on that wiki page wayland is listed as not minimal, why is that?
2021-03-31T17:15:21 #kisslinux because you need xwayland to run most stuff
2021-03-31T17:15:27 #kisslinux oh
2021-03-31T17:15:30 #kisslinux makes sense
2021-03-31T17:15:45 #kisslinux well, you gotta start somewhere, don't you?
2021-03-31T17:15:58 #kisslinux yeah, sure
2021-03-31T17:16:06 #kisslinux it's just disheartening to look at a "simple" program
2021-03-31T17:16:11 #kisslinux and bam - 8k lines of code
2021-03-31T17:16:14 #kisslinux t. ST
2021-03-31T17:17:16 #kisslinux what I am going to try and do is write a daemon to manage clipboard syncing
2021-03-31T17:18:19 #kisslinux because, as everyone knows, PRIMARY>CLIPBOARD
2021-03-31T17:18:39 #kisslinux wait, what do you mean by clipboard syncing?
2021-03-31T17:18:46 #kisslinux just like, dumping one register into the other?
2021-03-31T17:18:49 #kisslinux yes
2021-03-31T17:18:52 #kisslinux cool
2021-03-31T17:19:02 #kisslinux but I'd personally like to have that happen only sometimes
2021-03-31T17:19:06 #kisslinux is a c program really needed for that though?
2021-03-31T17:19:34 #kisslinux i don't know of any other way you could manipulate the buffers without a C program somewhere
2021-03-31T17:19:48 #kisslinux i don't think the buffers are stored as files
2021-03-31T17:19:49 #kisslinux I mean, there is xclip
2021-03-31T17:20:12 #kisslinux xclip is a c program
2021-03-31T17:20:17 #kisslinux yeah
2021-03-31T17:20:20 #kisslinux i'd rather just write a program to do what I want
2021-03-31T17:20:32 #kisslinux is it not available in the repo?
2021-03-31T17:20:34 #kisslinux than use some dude's program and a bunch of shellscript to force it to behave in ways it shouldn't be
2021-03-31T17:20:38 #kisslinux I see
2021-03-31T17:20:39 #kisslinux makes sense
2021-03-31T17:20:51 #kisslinux it is available, yeah
2021-03-31T17:20:59 #kisslinux but it's also part of a learning experience for me I guess
2021-03-31T17:21:03 #kisslinux right
2021-03-31T17:21:05 #kisslinux since I intend to do lower-level X programming
2021-03-31T17:21:16 #kisslinux X programming is one of those painful fun
2021-03-31T17:21:20 #kisslinux things
2021-03-31T17:21:26 #kisslinux (i missed the last word)
2021-03-31T17:21:27 #kisslinux i just want more Xaw programs
2021-03-31T17:21:35 #kisslinux xaw?
2021-03-31T17:21:42 #kisslinux X Athena Widgets
2021-03-31T17:21:49 #kisslinux oh
2021-03-31T17:21:49 #kisslinux think of it as the native toolkit of X
2021-03-31T17:21:58 #kisslinux oh, that
2021-03-31T17:22:03 #kisslinux yeah I know it
2021-03-31T17:22:05 #kisslinux if you've ever used xterm, xman, xedit, etc, they all use xaw
2021-03-31T17:22:20 #kisslinux if it's a daemon, how will it use xaw?
2021-03-31T17:22:33 #kisslinux it won't, at first
2021-03-31T17:22:48 #kisslinux but it would be nice to make a xaw version of... god, what's that lightweight gtk2 clipboard manager
2021-03-31T17:23:00 #kisslinux has a little icon in the system tray that pops up your history?
2021-03-31T17:23:17 #kisslinux anyway I want to have similar functionality with this daemon
2021-03-31T17:23:25 #kisslinux I see
2021-03-31T17:23:35 #kisslinux so you want to make a nice little clipboard manager
2021-03-31T17:23:36 #kisslinux cool
2021-03-31T17:23:40 #kisslinux Mhm.
2021-03-31T17:23:50 #kisslinux Probably gonna call it scribe, or something like that
2021-03-31T17:24:09 #kisslinux I always personify my programs
2021-03-31T17:24:26 #kisslinux thinking about it, it'd be nice if you made also a small separate (in order to not bloat too much) daemon which exposed the clipboard to a file
2021-03-31T17:24:32 #kisslinux well
2021-03-31T17:24:41 #kisslinux i was intending to have it optionally write contents out to a plaintext file
2021-03-31T17:25:01 #kisslinux IMO it'd be better suited for a small separate program
2021-03-31T17:25:13 #kisslinux Perhaps
2021-03-31T17:25:16 #kisslinux smaller dependency for scripts and simpler
2021-03-31T17:25:33 #kisslinux If anything it'd be a good stepping stone
2021-03-31T17:25:58 #kisslinux yeah
2021-03-31T17:26:15 #kisslinux I've got a bunch of stuff I want to write Eventually:tm:
2021-03-31T17:26:30 #kisslinux a little terminal, file manager, text editor... maybe a frontend to netsurf using xaw
2021-03-31T17:26:54 #kisslinux cool
2021-03-31T17:27:07 #kisslinux Mhm.
2021-03-31T17:27:20 #kisslinux IMO you should also concentrate on things you really need more than things useful for learning
2021-03-31T17:27:29 #kisslinux otherwise you might lose your determination pretty quickly
2021-03-31T17:27:39 #kisslinux well, hence writing a simple "DE"
2021-03-31T17:27:51 #kisslinux just use vim bro
2021-03-31T17:27:54 #kisslinux i use mostly Xaw programs on my laptop but they're all very old and clunky and... probably insecure
2021-03-31T17:27:58 #kisslinux stfu dilyn >:c
2021-03-31T17:27:58 #kisslinux kakoune is the future
2021-03-31T17:28:05 #kisslinux tine is better than all of that shit
2021-03-31T17:28:09 #kisslinux idk my vimrc is pretty comfy
2021-03-31T17:28:23 #kisslinux is it an aestetic reason for your preference over xaw, or something else?
2021-03-31T17:28:25 #kisslinux idk my config.org is pretty epic ngl
2021-03-31T17:28:36 #kisslinux it's aesthetic and functional
2021-03-31T17:28:37 #kisslinux what is tine? Never heard of it
2021-03-31T17:28:38 #kisslinux i hate it based on that name alone
2021-03-31T17:28:51 #kisslinux tine is a unix version of the old Amiga ED
2021-03-31T17:28:54 #kisslinux it's unpleasant is what it is
2021-03-31T17:28:59 #kisslinux it's comfy
2021-03-31T17:29:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> real KISS users use cat and sed
2021-03-31T17:29:06 #kisslinux and also v smol
2021-03-31T17:29:23 #kisslinux but muh config.org does all muh configs
2021-03-31T17:29:24 #kisslinux I'm forcing my autistic ass to switch to kak from vi only recently
2021-03-31T17:29:36 #kisslinux vim is too much for me
2021-03-31T17:29:52 #kisslinux vim is certainly a lot
2021-03-31T17:29:59 #kisslinux not enough for me
2021-03-31T17:30:03 #kisslinux need emacs
2021-03-31T17:30:10 #kisslinux i don't use most of its features :S I should switch to somethign else
2021-03-31T17:30:15 #kisslinux i'm gonna oooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORG
2021-03-31T17:30:29 #kisslinux -average emacs user
2021-03-31T17:30:35 #kisslinux kak is like a more sane vim with more useful features, less clunky stuff and less code
2021-03-31T17:30:45 #kisslinux lol
2021-03-31T17:30:51 #kisslinux riteo s/kak/kek
2021-03-31T17:30:52 #kisslinux kek is like a more sane vim with more useful features, less clunky stuff and less code
2021-03-31T17:30:58 #kisslinux yes
2021-03-31T17:31:07 #kisslinux I've miswritten it way too many times
2021-03-31T17:31:19 #kisslinux the most kek editor ever
2021-03-31T17:31:21 #kisslinux muscle memory is a pain
2021-03-31T17:31:32 #kisslinux god don't talk to mea bout that
2021-03-31T17:31:39 #kisslinux s/mea/me a/
2021-03-31T17:31:41 #kisslinux god don't talk to me a bout that
2021-03-31T17:31:46 #kisslinux bruh
2021-03-31T17:31:55 #kisslinux lmao
2021-03-31T17:31:56 #kisslinux I still open stuff with vi without noticing
2021-03-31T17:32:05 #kisslinux alias vi=kak
2021-03-31T17:32:11 #kisslinux yw
2021-03-31T17:32:12 #kisslinux that'd only make things worse
2021-03-31T17:32:35 #kisslinux i'm tempted to go back to using ed
2021-03-31T17:33:11 #kisslinux bruh ed looks painful
2021-03-31T17:33:25 #kisslinux it's not bad until you want to edit a line
2021-03-31T17:33:38 #kisslinux i'm not gonna lie, kak looks a bit too much bloated for me, but it's probably because I come from vi
2021-03-31T17:33:58 #kisslinux it's actually pretty unixy by delegating most things to pipe redirection
2021-03-31T17:34:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> c++ too
2021-03-31T17:34:14 #kisslinux also it tackles some problems in very nice ways and avoids redundant operations
2021-03-31T17:34:20 #kisslinux honestly all you need to know is that 1,$p shows you the entire document, i in operation mode sets you to insert mode, . on an empty line in insert mode sets you back to operation mode
2021-03-31T17:34:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it doesn't use cmake so that's good
2021-03-31T17:34:26 #kisslinux w in opmode is write
2021-03-31T17:34:29 #kisslinux and r is read
2021-03-31T17:34:31 #kisslinux q is quit
2021-03-31T17:34:35 #kisslinux you now know how to use ed
2021-03-31T17:34:54 #kisslinux oh
2021-03-31T17:34:58 #kisslinux that looks simple
2021-03-31T17:35:04 #kisslinux "[ed] is not so bad until you want to edit a line"
2021-03-31T17:35:09 #kisslinux kappa wtf is this editor for then
2021-03-31T17:35:14 #kisslinux editing text
2021-03-31T17:35:19 #kisslinux >=|
2021-03-31T17:35:29 #kisslinux ed is great if you don't make mistakes like a typelet
2021-03-31T17:35:31 #kisslinux streams >>> memes
2021-03-31T17:35:35 #kisslinux sed or die homies
2021-03-31T17:35:45 #kisslinux if you do, use s/whatever/revetahw/
2021-03-31T17:35:50 #kisslinux and it will substitute stuffs
2021-03-31T17:36:07 #kisslinux I see
2021-03-31T17:36:17 #kisslinux that looks like the most basic thing ever
2021-03-31T17:36:17 #kisslinux you can also grep from within ed
2021-03-31T17:36:25 #kisslinux using g/regex/p
2021-03-31T17:36:31 #kisslinux ...actually grep comes from ed
2021-03-31T17:36:42 #kisslinux My autistic ass is giving me weird ideas
2021-03-31T17:36:56 #kisslinux you would probably adjust after a while riteo
2021-03-31T17:37:00 #kisslinux vi is just visual ed
2021-03-31T17:37:04 #kisslinux I know
2021-03-31T17:37:18 #kisslinux the issue is, that I want to not cripple myself using an old text editor with missing features
2021-03-31T17:37:18 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-31T17:37:29 #kisslinux but my autistic ass is scared of big programs
2021-03-31T17:37:32 #kisslinux but is it really missing features
2021-03-31T17:37:42 #kisslinux STOP
2021-03-31T17:37:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it is missing bloat
2021-03-31T17:37:46 #kisslinux lol
2021-03-31T17:37:51 #kisslinux just use vscode
2021-03-31T17:37:56 #kisslinux are you sure you can't stand it riteo
2021-03-31T17:38:01 #kisslinux come on, try it for a week
2021-03-31T17:38:02 #kisslinux :^)
2021-03-31T17:38:12 #kisslinux IS THIS AUTISTIC GROOMING OR SOMETHING
2021-03-31T17:38:14 #kisslinux AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2021-03-31T17:38:36 #kisslinux now I'm really going to use ed, thank you
2021-03-31T17:38:46 #kisslinux wow I guess I'm more charismatic than I thought
2021-03-31T17:39:19 #kisslinux pour one out for our fallen comrade
2021-03-31T17:39:48 #kisslinux brb, gonna write a short text document dies
2021-03-31T17:40:14 #kisslinux wait
2021-03-31T17:40:18 #kisslinux > GNU ed
2021-03-31T17:40:25 #kisslinux imagine not using sbase
2021-03-31T17:40:27 #kisslinux ok I take my word
2021-03-31T17:40:35 #kisslinux back
2021-03-31T17:41:59 #kisslinux ctrl+z is not a thing you can do in ed
2021-03-31T17:42:02 #kisslinux you are trapped riteo
2021-03-31T17:42:09 #kisslinux use ctrl-d
2021-03-31T17:42:10 #kisslinux dummy
2021-03-31T17:42:16 #kisslinux also
2021-03-31T17:42:19 #kisslinux you can't do that neither in vi
2021-03-31T17:42:20 #kisslinux or kak
2021-03-31T17:42:24 #kisslinux you can absolutely ctrl-z in ed
2021-03-31T17:42:25 #kisslinux or vim, I believe
2021-03-31T17:42:35 #kisslinux shush let my propaganda do its thing
2021-03-31T17:42:37 #kisslinux no idea what sort of ed you're using dilyn but it's clearly defective
2021-03-31T17:42:42 #kisslinux silence, soyboy
2021-03-31T17:42:45 #kisslinux i'm not, obviously
2021-03-31T17:42:46 #kisslinux oh, right, technically you can
2021-03-31T17:42:55 #kisslinux not technically, you can
2021-03-31T17:42:56 #kisslinux lmao
2021-03-31T17:43:09 #kisslinux not in the intended way :^)
2021-03-31T17:43:17 #kisslinux er, yes, in the intended way
2021-03-31T17:43:21 #kisslinux to undo stuff?
2021-03-31T17:43:27 #kisslinux ...that's not the intended way
2021-03-31T17:43:28 #kisslinux >:V
2021-03-31T17:43:34 #kisslinux ctrl-z is job control
2021-03-31T17:43:38 #kisslinux in the way dilyn intended
2021-03-31T17:43:45 #kisslinux nobody cares about dilyn smh
2021-03-31T17:43:59 #kisslinux that's quite sad
2021-03-31T17:44:13 #kisslinux he needs your emotional support
2021-03-31T17:44:37 #kisslinux eh
2021-03-31T17:44:38 #kisslinux c'mon, he knows we're memeing, we all love him, right?
2021-03-31T17:44:50 #kisslinux midfavilla right?
2021-03-31T17:44:58 #kisslinux :^)
2021-03-31T17:45:18 #kisslinux bruh
2021-03-31T17:45:31 #kisslinux there's only one person in this channel who's approval and support I care about :v
2021-03-31T17:45:38 #kisslinux mine
2021-03-31T17:45:39 #kisslinux me of course
2021-03-31T17:45:53 #kisslinux dylan who's secretly watching all of us
2021-03-31T17:46:08 #kisslinux I know you're reading the log, dylan
2021-03-31T17:46:14 #kisslinux :o
2021-03-31T17:46:18 #kisslinux it's obviously systemE
2021-03-31T17:46:22 #kisslinux come back home dylan, we miss you
2021-03-31T17:46:25 #kisslinux ;W;
2021-03-31T17:46:29 #kisslinux indeed
2021-03-31T18:20:51 #kisslinux windows is actually so fucking shit... i feel so unlucky that i have to use it for a few more months. when you think blue screens were no more and you haven't changed anything on the os at all in 2 months... bam, it might've been working perfectly for the last 3 years but now you've got a fucking blue screen out of the blue.
2021-03-31T18:21:19 #kisslinux >blue screen out of the blue
2021-03-31T18:21:24 #kisslinux best pun ever
2021-03-31T18:26:50 #kisslinux did they just come here for that
2021-03-31T18:32:53 #kisslinux lol
2021-03-31T18:39:06 #kisslinux I think I just reconnected
2021-03-31T18:39:12 #kisslinux my network messed up again
2021-03-31T18:39:16 #kisslinux I'm having power issues
2021-03-31T18:40:17 #kisslinux get a bouncer
2021-03-31T18:40:47 #kisslinux that's actually a pretty good idea
2021-03-31T18:40:51 #kisslinux I should have one somewhere
2021-03-31T18:41:09 #kisslinux no wait
2021-03-31T18:41:25 #kisslinux I thought you talked about one of those small microbatteries that keep things on for 5 minutes
2021-03-31T18:41:31 #kisslinux UPS
2021-03-31T18:41:34 #kisslinux those are also useful
2021-03-31T18:41:35 #kisslinux i have two
2021-03-31T18:41:35 #kisslinux why should I have a bouncer on?
2021-03-31T18:41:44 #kisslinux so that you don't constantly get disconnected
2021-03-31T18:41:49 #kisslinux at least, from our side
2021-03-31T18:41:54 #kisslinux oh
2021-03-31T18:42:04 #kisslinux records messages and crap
2021-03-31T18:42:16 #kisslinux I thought that was the point of disconnecting, to let people know you are available or not
2021-03-31T18:42:23 #kisslinux whether*
2021-03-31T18:42:42 #kisslinux you would think so but apparently people don't like that
2021-03-31T18:42:50 #kisslinux oh, I didn't know that
2021-03-31T18:42:57 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-31T18:43:02 #kisslinux "how do I view logs!?!?!?!?!?"
2021-03-31T18:43:45 #kisslinux Can you recommend me any bouncer in particular?
2021-03-31T18:44:29 #kisslinux I don't use one, so no
2021-03-31T18:44:49 #kisslinux I think I'll stick to using an UPS
2021-03-31T18:45:26 #kisslinux The whole concept of a bouncer scares me a little
2021-03-31T18:45:38 #kisslinux uh, why?
2021-03-31T18:46:05 #kisslinux usual paranoical tech autist things
2021-03-31T18:46:15 #kisslinux that's not a very good reason
2021-03-31T18:46:34 #kisslinux I disconnect because muh data connection
2021-03-31T18:46:44 #kisslinux but I read those logs like a mofo. never unavailable
2021-03-31T18:46:45 #kisslinux midfavila I know
2021-03-31T18:47:13 #kisslinux riteo: I use Soju
2021-03-31T18:47:30 #kisslinux I just can't sleep well giving the door to my communication to a service which I'll probably not even want to pay in the first place
2021-03-31T18:47:35 #kisslinux pretty simple, but written in Golang by a Crazy Wayland Guy
2021-03-31T18:47:59 #kisslinux people on bouncers can use the "away" message to indicate them being not present
2021-03-31T18:48:04 #kisslinux I never use it though
2021-03-31T18:48:17 #kisslinux it looks pretty cool
2021-03-31T18:48:41 #kisslinux the issue is that I don't own a vps nor plan to buy one, so I don't think I can host it
2021-03-31T18:48:49 #kisslinux hmm
2021-03-31T18:48:59 #kisslinux I can give you an account on mine
2021-03-31T18:48:59 #kisslinux self-hosting would be useless too, so probably the UPS approach is the best
2021-03-31T18:50:13 #kisslinux oh
2021-03-31T18:50:18 #kisslinux really?
2021-03-31T18:51:31 #kisslinux Thanks for the offer but I think I'm gonna pass on that one, I really don't want to bother anyone, plus I think that I should fix the problem at its root and find out what is shorting my router breaker
2021-03-31T18:51:47 #kisslinux cool
2021-03-31T18:53:09 #kisslinux if my disconnects are bothering you I can stop joining for now until my grid stabilizes a bit
2021-03-31T18:54:53 #kisslinux no its fine
2021-03-31T18:55:07 #kisslinux I have my client set to hide joins/parts so it doesn't make a difference to me
2021-03-31T19:00:42 #kisslinux hi again tink
2021-03-31T19:03:34 #kisslinux riteo Since I'm on Windows at the moment, I just use Ungoogled Chromium for a lot of things; so I just log in whenever I want to say something here in this channel. Normally, I'm on freenode.logbot.info, reading logs.
2021-03-31T19:45:06 #kisslinux ugh, going back to doing Lisp stuff after having worked on C and shell for a couple weeks is giving me a headache
2021-03-31T19:45:41 #kisslinux two totally different ways of thinking about shit... I need a drink
2021-03-31T20:12:07 #kisslinux just add some parenthesis
2021-03-31T20:12:11 #kisslinux problem fixed
2021-03-31T20:17:37 #kisslinux Recently WeeChat with znc so far so good
2021-03-31T20:26:14 #kisslinux the amount of bs in this thread
2021-03-31T20:26:16 #kisslinux https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/Gentoo/comments/mam6ax/use_busybox_as_a_substitute_of_coreutils/
2021-03-31T20:27:00 #kisslinux I made a mistake going to r/gentoo
2021-03-31T20:28:09 #kisslinux but gentoo so minimal
2021-03-31T20:28:17 #kisslinux i am in recontrol of my recomputer
2021-03-31T20:28:52 #kisslinux reeeeeee
2021-03-31T20:29:16 #kisslinux Does portage not make use of gnu extensions?
2021-03-31T20:32:07 #kisslinux portage is a python program
2021-03-31T20:32:51 #kisslinux ...oh wait, looking at the thread, dev has said it does require gnu tools
2021-03-31T20:32:53 #kisslinux that's fucking lame
2021-03-31T20:35:06 #kisslinux huh I didn't know that portage is python
2021-03-31T20:35:21 #kisslinux according to someone I used to be friends with, it is
2021-03-31T20:35:26 #kisslinux admittedly I've never used gentoo
2021-03-31T20:35:41 #kisslinux gentoo is the ubuntu of source based distros
2021-03-31T20:36:00 #kisslinux i mean, this, but unironically
2021-03-31T20:36:11 #kisslinux i intended it unironically
2021-03-31T20:36:15 #kisslinux ...wait would that make source mage the debian of source distros
2021-03-31T20:36:38 #kisslinux ...also there's the whole "is slackware a from-source distro"
2021-03-31T20:36:47 #kisslinux i feel like it's kind of on the border
2021-03-31T20:36:47 #kisslinux slackware is void
2021-03-31T20:36:58 #kisslinux s/void/Void Linux
2021-03-31T20:37:00 #kisslinux slackware is Void Linux
2021-03-31T20:37:20 #kisslinux ngl slackware with fluxbox is comfy
2021-03-31T20:37:33 #kisslinux no
2021-03-31T20:37:36 #kisslinux joes window manager
2021-03-31T20:37:43 #kisslinux jwm is okay for like
2021-03-31T20:37:44 #kisslinux puppy
2021-03-31T20:38:37 #kisslinux i think fluxbox strikes a nice balance between flexibility, stability, efficiency and features
2021-03-31T20:38:55 #kisslinux midfavila: s/flexibility/fluxibility
2021-03-31T20:38:56 #kisslinux i think fluxbox strikes a nice balance between fluxibility, stability, efficiency and features
2021-03-31T20:39:01 #kisslinux also, tabbed windows are hhhh~
2021-03-31T20:39:11 #kisslinux tabs bad
2021-03-31T20:39:14 #kisslinux confusing
2021-03-31T20:39:18 #kisslinux tabs based
2021-03-31T20:39:40 #kisslinux honestly i'd rather the WM implement tabbing than use something like tabbed
2021-03-31T20:39:47 #kisslinux because tabbed relies on every program having xembed support
2021-03-31T20:39:52 #kisslinux which... most don't
2021-03-31T20:40:24 #kisslinux idk maybe tabs could be interesting actually
2021-03-31T20:40:31 #kisslinux but i like spectrwm too much
2021-03-31T20:40:36 #kisslinux you should really try fluxbox if you've never used it, acheam
2021-03-31T20:40:40 #kisslinux even if it's just for a few minutes
2021-03-31T20:40:42 #kisslinux I have
2021-03-31T20:40:48 #kisslinux o
2021-03-31T20:40:51 #kisslinux (never tried customizing it though)
2021-03-31T20:40:56 #kisslinux but I like muh tiling
2021-03-31T20:40:56 #kisslinux it's pretty easy
2021-03-31T20:41:10 #kisslinux the problem is that standalone bars are fucking T R A S H
2021-03-31T20:41:18 #kisslinux tie.ling.
2021-03-31T20:41:29 #kisslinux if I wanted tiling I'd implement it in FvwmScript
2021-03-31T20:41:37 #kisslinux but I don't
2021-03-31T20:42:05 #kisslinux i could probably implement tabs in FvwmScript too but...
2021-03-31T20:42:08 #kisslinux * midfavila shudders
2021-03-31T20:42:11 #kisslinux dear god no
2021-03-31T21:11:09 #kisslinux painstakingly compiled an encrypted algorithm compiler for my girlfriend because the sysadmins at her school refuse to install protobuf3
2021-03-31T21:11:15 #kisslinux built it as statically as humanly possible
2021-03-31T21:11:21 #kisslinux passes the tests on my computer perfectly
2021-03-31T21:11:29 #kisslinux passes the tests on her vm marvelously
2021-03-31T21:11:33 #kisslinux scp it to the server
2021-03-31T21:11:36 #kisslinux 'missing symbol'
2021-03-31T21:11:39 #kisslinux fuck RHEL frfr
2021-03-31T21:15:06 #kisslinux can you compile it on the server?
2021-03-31T21:15:28 #kisslinux i mean, I presume you can't given that thats what you didn't do from the start
2021-03-31T21:16:36 #kisslinux we tried
2021-03-31T21:16:43 #kisslinux identical symbol error when doing so
2021-03-31T21:16:47 #kisslinux there's something wrong with... something
2021-03-31T21:16:54 #kisslinux install kiss on it
2021-03-31T21:16:56 #kisslinux the thing is, the symbols are all IN the library
2021-03-31T21:16:58 #kisslinux lmfao
2021-03-31T21:17:03 #kisslinux we shall expand our empire with force!
2021-03-31T21:17:08 #kisslinux I wanted to suggest a kiss chroot but she can't use sudo :v
2021-03-31T21:17:39 #kisslinux if they give me credit/acknowledgement in the paper they will be references to KISS somewhere in there don't you worry
2021-03-31T21:17:42 #kisslinux #manifestdestiny
2021-03-31T21:17:48 #kisslinux yes!
2021-03-31T21:17:57 #kisslinux kiss shall be known in academia for centuries to come
2021-03-31T21:18:05 #kisslinux is manifest destiny our distro slogan
2021-03-31T21:18:17 #kisslinux heck naw
2021-03-31T21:18:21 #kisslinux gotta be something like...
2021-03-31T21:18:21 #kisslinux what is it then
2021-03-31T21:18:27 #kisslinux dream distro meme distro
2021-03-31T21:18:41 #kisslinux what you wish gentoo could've been
2021-03-31T21:18:42 #kisslinux the slogan can't just be a fucking description
2021-03-31T21:18:53 #kisslinux >:c
2021-03-31T21:19:01 #kisslinux 'the meme has gone too far'
2021-03-31T21:19:11 #kisslinux hold onto your lips?
2021-03-31T21:19:13 #kisslinux "KISS Linux: 'The meme has gone too far'"
2021-03-31T21:19:25 #kisslinux ...
2021-03-31T21:19:28 #kisslinux Slogan of the day?
2021-03-31T21:19:31 #kisslinux -wayne gretzky -michael scott -dilyn corner
2021-03-31T21:22:54 #kisslinux so 9front has "The front fell off", kiss has "the meme has gone too far"?
2021-03-31T21:23:31 #kisslinux there's probably a better one
2021-03-31T21:23:32 #kisslinux we should also do a thing like that
2021-03-31T21:23:40 #kisslinux the front fell off is good
2021-03-31T21:24:09 #kisslinux (for those not in the know, https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM)
2021-03-31T22:08:10 #kisslinux Oooooooo!
2021-03-31T22:08:15 #kisslinux SDF is running a Plan 9 seminar!
2021-03-31T22:19:25 #kisslinux stock plan9, or a forK?
2021-03-31T22:20:23 #kisslinux Stock, I would assume. They don't mention any forks in the mail I received
2021-03-31T22:34:06 #kisslinux I'll probably register... I don't have anything going on, and I've been meaning to check out P9, doubly so after the recent re-license under GPL
2021-03-31T22:37:08 #kisslinux ?
2021-03-31T22:37:15 #kisslinux I thought they relicensed under MIT
2021-03-31T22:37:23 #kisslinux I swore it was GPLv2
2021-03-31T22:37:38 #kisslinux http://p9f.org/about.html
2021-03-31T22:37:41 #kisslinux MIT
2021-03-31T22:37:43 #kisslinux you were right
2021-03-31T22:38:06 #kisslinux always am.
2021-03-31T22:38:12 #kisslinux i dunno about that
2021-03-31T22:38:38 #kisslinux you're saying more about yourself than you are about me
2021-03-31T22:39:13 #kisslinux * midfavila rolls their eyes
2021-03-31T22:44:21 #kisslinux plan9 is officially bae
2021-03-31T22:44:22 #kisslinux suck it gpl
2021-03-31T22:46:07 #kisslinux Oh hey, there's a SAS SSD on ebay for like thirty bucks unused
2021-03-31T22:46:10 #kisslinux tempting
2021-03-31T22:51:18 #kisslinux Has anyone used the 9base utilities?
2021-03-31T22:51:24 #kisslinux i tried for a while
2021-03-31T22:51:27 #kisslinux it... wasn't great
2021-03-31T22:51:39 #kisslinux they're even more stripped down than the suckless tools in a lot of cases
2021-03-31T22:52:11 #kisslinux I see, a bit too sparse.
2021-03-31T23:00:58 #kisslinux I could never get 9base to build...
2021-03-31T23:01:31 #kisslinux not based
2021-03-31T23:02:09 #kisslinux :'(
2021-03-31T23:21:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> * midfavila rolls their eyes
2021-03-31T23:21:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you're now gender-neutral or what
2021-03-31T23:21:49 #kisslinux based
2021-03-31T23:21:52 #kisslinux welcome to the club mid
2021-03-31T23:22:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> s/club/church/
2021-03-31T23:22:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://www.devever.net/~hl/newchurch
2021-03-31T23:22:16 #kisslinux s/club/club/
2021-03-31T23:22:54 #kisslinux I mean, philosophically unsophisticated people shouldn't be listened to when they try to tell you about gender identity
2021-03-31T23:23:16 #kisslinux just because somebody opts for a certain identity doesn't mean they are a participant in the /culture war/
2021-03-31T23:23:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if you support newspeak gender pronouns, you support the newchurch
2021-03-31T23:23:52 #kisslinux disagree
2021-03-31T23:24:16 #kisslinux with that entire conditional, fwiw
2021-03-31T23:33:40 #kisslinux wtf
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