2020-09-12T00:05:04 #kisslinux Does gtk have a fial dialog compiled with it in KISS?

2020-09-12T00:22:06 #kisslinux Nevermind figured out it is zenity but I did not need it for the program

2020-09-12T01:36:06 #kisslinux himmalerin are you the same person who maintains kiss-wayland?

2020-09-12T01:36:59 #kisslinux muevoid: yep!

2020-09-12T01:37:24 #kisslinux I was planning on adding that post-install today but I guess not :p

2020-09-12T01:39:16 #kisslinux Lol

2020-09-12T01:39:30 #kisslinux I created a new issue about some ideas :P

2020-09-12T02:59:53 #kisslinux this channel discuss the kiss

2020-09-12T03:07:53 #kisslinux ok

2020-09-12T03:12:20 #kisslinux what is stupid? what program did use the stupid?

2020-09-12T03:24:21 #kisslinux what do you mean handyw?

2020-09-12T03:26:56 #kisslinux stupid mean what? simple is really understand

2020-09-12T03:27:28 #kisslinux I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean.

2020-09-12T03:27:41 #kisslinux What is stupid refering to?

2020-09-12T03:31:42 #kisslinux keep it simple stupid, the stupid mean what

2020-09-12T03:32:21 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> https://k1ss.org/faq

2020-09-12T03:32:26 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> in the faq

2020-09-12T03:33:23 #kisslinux if you are running kiss you can also do kiss help faq

2020-09-12T03:34:41 #kisslinux the faq

2020-09-12T03:34:57 #kisslinux Section 2

2020-09-12T03:35:03 #kisslinux said i can't understand

2020-09-12T03:37:33 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> basically, keep things a simple as possible (but not necessarily simpler). that way any average person can repair it or maintain it.

2020-09-12T03:37:42 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> thats’s my take on it at least.

2020-09-12T03:37:56 #kisslinux To quote "Hence, the "stupid" refers to the relationship between the way things break and the sophistication available to repair them." or as I understand it the process itself must be simple for things to not break. However I may not be right with this take.

2020-09-12T03:38:17 #kisslinux I also like your take on it mcpcpc[m]

2020-09-12T03:56:03 #kisslinux i like stupid compared to surprising. that is, when you ask a question 'how does this work' or 'why is this broken', the answer doesn't feel insane. in complicated systems, you often can't even ask the question 'why is this broken' because there are so many layers and hidden decisions -.-

2020-09-12T03:56:35 #kisslinux of course, there are some big downsides to this kind of simplicity, but the upsides are nice.

2020-09-12T03:57:02 #kisslinux I find the upsides to heavily outway the downsides :P

2020-09-12T03:57:30 #kisslinux Also webkit2gtk browsers with the wpe backend on wayland are nice. It feels a lot faster then webkit2gtk usually does

2020-09-12T04:04:36 #kisslinux I think of simple stupid as an opposite from simple clever. Meaning that the requirements should be dumbed down enough that the software isn't clever.

2020-09-12T04:11:50 #kisslinux muevoid: Replied to both of your recent issues

2020-09-12T04:21:10 #kisslinux q

2020-09-12T04:33:00 #kisslinux Dylan, was TMIK#5 intentionally short?

2020-09-12T06:07:06 #kisslinux dylanaraps will you ever consider wayland in the official repos or the community repo?

2020-09-12T06:08:03 #kisslinux 1Xorg will remain the default for the foreseeable future.

2020-09-12T06:08:11 #kisslinux That's fair enough

2020-09-12T06:08:27 #kisslinux It seems as though we'll be forced over to Wayland at some point anyway.

2020-09-12T06:09:00 #kisslinux Why? Doesn't openbsd have a fork of xorg and it got a linux port?

2020-09-12T06:09:11 #kisslinux Xenocara is not a port of Xorg.

2020-09-12T06:09:31 #kisslinux I have not done a ton of research into it

2020-09-12T06:09:37 #kisslinux It just has OpenBSD code and a monolithic build system.

2020-09-12T06:09:43 #kisslinux Ah

2020-09-12T06:09:45 #kisslinux See: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1662496#c2

2020-09-12T06:09:49 #kisslinux > IMHO current behavior is useful and makes transition from XWayland to Wayland easier. Standalone X11 is legacy.

2020-09-12T06:10:00 #kisslinux Also: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Maintenance-Mode-Quickly

2020-09-12T06:10:36 #kisslinux > Red Hat's Christian Schaller says it's their belief that X.Org will soon be going into "maintenance mode" in favor of Wayland.

2020-09-12T06:10:56 #kisslinux I personally like wayland more :P

2020-09-12T06:11:11 #kisslinux I don't like where most of the linux desktop is heading

2020-09-12T06:11:20 #kisslinux Neither do I

2020-09-12T06:11:20 #kisslinux But wayland is one piece I enjoy

2020-09-12T06:12:00 #kisslinux The new use flag for webkit2gtk worries me (USE_SYSTEMD).

2020-09-12T06:12:26 #kisslinux A lot of software contains something like that.

2020-09-12T06:12:50 #kisslinux Yeah that's true. Just not sure why a browser would need anything from systemd shrug

2020-09-12T06:14:50 #kisslinux Part of my issue with Wayland is the dependency on udev/logind though libudev-zero and libseat (or just suid) alleviate it.

2020-09-12T06:15:05 #kisslinux Yeah that was my main issue before.

2020-09-12T06:15:15 #kisslinux I have not tried libudev-zero yet I should soon.

2020-09-12T06:15:19 #kisslinux I find it sad that this page must exist: https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/Running-Sway-without-systemd

2020-09-12T06:15:59 #kisslinux I mean is it that much better on x though? It seems like wlroots is getting closer to x when it comes to minimalistic qualities.

2020-09-12T06:16:37 #kisslinux Well, Sway will soon run non-root just like our Xorg which is great.

2020-09-12T06:16:53 #kisslinux https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/pull/2393

2020-09-12T06:16:58 #kisslinux It was merged actually.

2020-09-12T06:17:04 #kisslinux Yeah it's in master.

2020-09-12T06:17:16 #kisslinux I have it on my system but I am using libseat.

2020-09-12T06:17:44 #kisslinux I believe that would also allow any wlroots based compositor run without logind as well.

2020-09-12T06:18:02 #kisslinux Yes

2020-09-12T06:18:03 #kisslinux oh, nice. i didn't realize that you can actually drop master without root on linux 5.8

2020-09-12T06:18:16 #kisslinux Sway has no seatd code so it all lives in wlroots

2020-09-12T06:18:20 #kisslinux mcf: Yeah, it's neat!

2020-09-12T06:18:40 #kisslinux For the wayland section on the wiki what were you planning on putting there. I may possibly write some things up for it if you have ideas?

2020-09-12T06:19:10 #kisslinux muevoid: It might be worth doing a poll to see how much Wayland / Xorg interest there is.

2020-09-12T06:19:36 #kisslinux Yeah I agree. Maybe a mix between here and on reddit?

2020-09-12T06:20:21 #kisslinux We could also simply wait until our hand is forced in one way or another.

2020-09-12T06:20:33 #kisslinux I don't want a hybrid Wayland/Xorg or Xwayland

2020-09-12T06:21:41 #kisslinux We could for now just have documentation in the wiki for how to use Wayland if desired by using third party repos.

2020-09-12T06:21:48 #kisslinux One of the "upsides" we have is that we don't need to worry about the NVIDIA issue as the proprietary drivers don't run under musl. lol

2020-09-12T06:21:58 #kisslinux lol

2020-09-12T06:22:02 #kisslinux I dislike nvidia

2020-09-12T06:23:11 #kisslinux It's been a while since I've tried Wayland.

2020-09-12T06:23:25 #kisslinux It's gotten much better since last time I tried it.

2020-09-12T06:23:44 #kisslinux and I don't rely on too many x applications so I am able to run pure wayland.

2020-09-12T06:24:05 #kisslinux I only had to drop one program which was azpainter.

2020-09-12T06:24:24 #kisslinux That's just since I don't want to pull in more x dependencies for one program. I am now using grafx2 for all my drawing.

2020-09-12T06:24:44 #kisslinux But the main azpainter dev is working on a wayland backend for the next major version.

2020-09-12T06:26:24 #kisslinux I love grafx2

2020-09-12T06:26:29 #kisslinux azpainter is really nice as well

2020-09-12T06:26:43 #kisslinux brb trying wayland ;)

2020-09-12T06:26:46 #kisslinux It took me a while to get used to grafx2 but now it is my favorite art program with azpainter at a close second.

2020-09-12T06:26:55 #kisslinux What compositor sway?

2020-09-12T06:34:02 #kisslinux or hikari?

2020-09-12T06:34:02 #kisslinux ls

2020-09-12T06:35:38 #kisslinux yup, after chgrp input /bin/swc-launch && chmod u-s,g+s /bin/swc-launch everything still works :)

2020-09-12T06:38:30 #kisslinux I'm currently runnint sway

2020-09-12T06:39:02 #kisslinux I'm interested in hikari but have yet to try it.

2020-09-12T06:39:08 #kisslinux What terminal emulator are you using?

2020-09-12T06:39:12 #kisslinux I am using foot

2020-09-12T06:39:16 #kisslinux It is in kiss-wayland repo

2020-09-12T06:39:23 #kisslinux It is quite fast and seems reasonably minimal

2020-09-12T06:39:24 #kisslinux Will try it. I'm using wayst under wayland and it's quite slow.

2020-09-12T06:39:41 #kisslinux If you use the build from KISS-me by dilyn it can be even faster

2020-09-12T06:39:49 #kisslinux Allacritty is good too if you don't mind rust

2020-09-12T06:39:56 #kisslinux I don't have a browser atm :P

2020-09-12T06:40:05 #kisslinux I'll package foot

2020-09-12T06:40:23 #kisslinux I am using vimb with wpe built in for hardware accel

2020-09-12T06:40:31 #kisslinux Nice

2020-09-12T06:40:44 #kisslinux I'm glad that options exist :P

2020-09-12T06:40:50 #kisslinux I just stole the old builds from the archived mywayland repo and upgraded them :P

2020-09-12T06:41:00 #kisslinux Firefox was nice with vaapi

2020-09-12T06:42:02 #kisslinux I've been working on a patch to make X11 VAAPI work without Wayland in Firefox

2020-09-12T06:42:24 #kisslinux Really? That seems like it would be quite the task.

2020-09-12T06:42:36 #kisslinux Yes

2020-09-12T06:42:43 #kisslinux It's larger than I thought it'd be.

2020-09-12T06:42:51 #kisslinux I'm still dealing with compilation issues

2020-09-12T06:43:15 #kisslinux Foot is a lot better than wayst

2020-09-12T06:43:17 #kisslinux Thanks

2020-09-12T06:43:24 #kisslinux Np

2020-09-12T06:43:30 #kisslinux Just need to figure out key repeat rate under sway

2020-09-12T06:44:01 #kisslinux that is one thing that sucks about sway is libinput is bad

2020-09-12T06:44:16 #kisslinux Not bad

2020-09-12T06:44:19 #kisslinux KISS also uses libinput under Xorg

2020-09-12T06:44:25 #kisslinux just can be sucky customization wise

2020-09-12T06:44:30 #kisslinux All the other input backends are deprecated

2020-09-12T06:44:58 #kisslinux Yeah but you had more configuration options iirc in xorg. I remember being able to use Xinput unless I was doing something wrong

2020-09-12T06:45:29 #kisslinux brb

2020-09-12T06:45:34 #kisslinux I think for key repeat rate in your sway config add: input repeat_rate

2020-09-12T06:46:59 #kisslinux muevoid: I also have sway working entirely rootless.

2020-09-12T06:47:02 #kisslinux Same as our Xorg.

2020-09-12T06:47:09 #kisslinux chown :input /usr/bin/sway

2020-09-12T06:47:14 #kisslinux chmod g+s /usr/bin/sway

2020-09-12T06:47:17 #kisslinux Just setgid input.

2020-09-12T06:47:22 #kisslinux User in video group.

2020-09-12T06:47:37 #kisslinux I may try that for the moment I am okay with seatd.

2020-09-12T06:48:06 #kisslinux Repeat rate seems to be: input repeat_rate

2020-09-12T06:48:13 #kisslinux imv is my favorite image viewer i've found for wayland.

2020-09-12T06:48:59 #kisslinux I just use mpv for everything

2020-09-12T06:49:12 #kisslinux can mpv view images?

2020-09-12T06:49:32 #kisslinux Yes

2020-09-12T06:49:47 #kisslinux I set: image-display-duration=inf

2020-09-12T06:49:52 #kisslinux Also: loop-playlist=inf

2020-09-12T06:50:05 #kisslinux Best part is the single config and identical hotkeys across videos, music and images.

2020-09-12T06:50:13 #kisslinux I have also seen mvi which is a plugin for mpv that makes it a more fleshed out image viewer.

2020-09-12T06:50:15 #kisslinux (I use it as a music player also)

2020-09-12T06:50:17 #kisslinux Same

2020-09-12T06:50:27 #kisslinux I'm going to switch to mpv now

2020-09-12T06:50:28 #kisslinux brb going back to sway

2020-09-12T06:52:06 #kisslinux I'm assuming you are using latest master for sway?

2020-09-12T06:52:29 #kisslinux wlroots*

2020-09-12T06:58:22 #kisslinux Keyboard is setup how I like it now.

2020-09-12T06:58:32 #kisslinux That's good

2020-09-12T06:58:47 #kisslinux I have gammastep packaged for wayland now as well

2020-09-12T06:59:07 #kisslinux Moving windows around still feels slower than Xorg though

2020-09-12T06:59:25 #kisslinux That suprises me. To me it feels a lot snappier

2020-09-12T07:03:30 #kisslinux mpv works fine

2020-09-12T07:04:39 #kisslinux resizing floating windows is quite buggy under sway

2020-09-12T07:04:50 #kisslinux The frame ends up a different size to the actual window

2020-09-12T07:05:02 #kisslinux What are you testing that with?

2020-09-12T07:05:16 #kisslinux Happens with wayst when the terminal is resized to a tiny size.

2020-09-12T07:05:24 #kisslinux Happens with mpv when it is set to preserve aspect ratio.

2020-09-12T07:05:31 #kisslinux Under any size with mpv

2020-09-12T07:05:49 #kisslinux I'd send a scrot but I'm not setup for that yet. :P

2020-09-12T07:05:49 #kisslinux I see that with my terminal as well I'm trying mpv as well

2020-09-12T07:05:56 #kisslinux grim is quite nice

2020-09-12T07:06:08 #kisslinux brb

2020-09-12T07:06:45 #kisslinux Preserving aspect ratio works fine for me

2020-09-12T07:07:10 #kisslinux In fact it even works when resizing the smallest the window will go

2020-09-12T07:07:18 #kisslinux I'm using master for sway and wlroots fwiw

2020-09-12T07:07:45 #kisslinux I am aswell

2020-09-12T07:08:04 #kisslinux If Firefox wayland runs under Xorg without the wayland libraries needing to be present, I can make our -bin packages support it ootb.

2020-09-12T07:12:19 #kisslinux Hm

2020-09-12T07:12:34 #kisslinux I don't think this is possible as it'd require gtk/mesa with wayland support too.

2020-09-12T07:13:30 #kisslinux Yeah I don't think it would be possible to have a firefox-bin that works on both without needing the other libraries.

2020-09-12T07:15:52 #kisslinux I think it's best we wait until our hand is forced.

2020-09-12T07:16:21 #kisslinux That's fair

2020-09-12T07:16:28 #kisslinux Gives all the wayland stuff more time to mature as well.

2020-09-12T07:16:39 #kisslinux I would still like to write some info for the wiki but not sure what topics I would write about.

2020-09-12T07:16:43 #kisslinux The #1 thing I'd like to avoid is maintaining both at the same time.

2020-09-12T07:17:29 #kisslinux 1I think we can make mesa/firefox/whatever have better conditional support for wayland so these don't need to be patched.

2020-09-12T07:18:07 #kisslinux I'm not sure what you mean.

2020-09-12T07:18:32 #kisslinux The mesa package could detect that wayland is available and enable support for it.

2020-09-12T07:18:48 #kisslinux All you'd need to do is: 'kiss i wayland wayland-protocols' and 'kiss b mesa'

2020-09-12T07:18:52 #kisslinux Like the community build does for openjpeg2 and gst-plugins-base

2020-09-12T07:18:54 #kisslinux Yes

2020-09-12T07:19:06 #kisslinux Then they don't need to be forked.

2020-09-12T07:19:13 #kisslinux Change doesn't affect non-wayland users at all.

2020-09-12T07:19:31 #kisslinux If this happened would you accept wayland packages into community?

2020-09-12T07:20:15 #kisslinux I would not, no

2020-09-12T07:20:34 #kisslinux Just out of curosity any reason not to?

2020-09-12T07:21:04 #kisslinux Yes

2020-09-12T07:21:18 #kisslinux Community packages should all support the default display server

2020-09-12T07:21:36 #kisslinux We cannot have some packages depending on Wayland and some on Xorg

2020-09-12T07:21:53 #kisslinux couldn't you have a seperate folder for wayland specific things?

2020-09-12T07:21:59 #kisslinux Yes

2020-09-12T07:22:05 #kisslinux But now we're maintaining two repositories

2020-09-12T07:22:13 #kisslinux Which is why I think it's better to wait

2020-09-12T07:22:19 #kisslinux That's fair

2020-09-12T07:23:05 #kisslinux Making mesa and firefox support wayland as stated earlier is unobtrusive and a step in this direction however.

2020-09-12T07:23:19 #kisslinux It'd make user repositories for wayland smaller as well.

2020-09-12T07:23:22 #kisslinux I may make an alternative root for kiss and maintain all the packages myself for wayland :P. Cause i've been looking for an excuse to do more for KISS with something I like.

2020-09-12T07:23:35 #kisslinux This repository exists: https://github.com/Himmalerin/kiss-wayland

2020-09-12T07:23:40 #kisslinux You've probably seen it though

2020-09-12T07:23:47 #kisslinux Yes, I have a couple issues on there and a pr

2020-09-12T07:24:44 #kisslinux Firefox needs --no-remote?

2020-09-12T07:24:48 #kisslinux Yes

2020-09-12T07:24:55 #kisslinux I'm personally not sure why

2020-09-12T07:25:03 #kisslinux It segfaults without it

2020-09-12T07:25:43 #kisslinux https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1555308

2020-09-12T07:26:07 #kisslinux > Yes, it's related to profile name which is used by DBUS to identify Firefox instance on Wayland. I expect the new profile changes broke it.

2020-09-12T07:26:52 #kisslinux Also this one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1551664

2020-09-12T07:27:48 #kisslinux Do you still accept screenshots for the website. If so where can I send one?

2020-09-12T07:28:04 #kisslinux dylan⊙ko

2020-09-12T08:14:55 #kisslinux oops

2020-09-12T08:15:07 #kisslinux Seems like my email got garbled when I sent it from wayland session?

2020-09-12T08:15:12 #kisslinux muevoid: dylan⊙ko

2020-09-12T08:15:40 #kisslinux Hm. Shows in the logs like this: https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200912#c5074902

2020-09-12T08:16:07 #kisslinux muevoid: https://k1ss.org/contact

2020-09-12T08:27:44 #kisslinux Globbot garbles mail addresses

2020-09-12T08:27:50 #kisslinux Your mail looks just fine

2020-09-12T08:27:54 #kisslinux Ah

2020-09-12T08:28:09 #kisslinux Never noticed this

2020-09-12T08:28:10 #kisslinux lol

2020-09-12T08:29:02 #kisslinux It is to protect from bots that reads the logs to find emails

2020-09-12T08:29:07 #kisslinux Nice feature

2020-09-12T08:33:13 #kisslinux Right

2020-09-12T08:33:40 #kisslinux I've had good success with dylan@k1ss.org

2020-09-12T08:34:15 #kisslinux The current website doesn't use this method though.

2020-09-12T08:34:22 #kisslinux It actually just has the email as-is.

2020-09-12T08:34:46 #kisslinux Spam is mostly just phishing attempts.

2020-09-12T08:34:58 #kisslinux > Attention: dylan⊙ko Confirm Usage

2020-09-12T08:35:04 #kisslinux > dylan⊙ko password expires 9/8/2020 12:54:37 p.m.

2020-09-12T08:35:09 #kisslinux > Use the button below to continue with same password

2020-09-12T08:35:14 #kisslinux > k1ss.org Support <sales⊙dc>

2020-09-12T08:35:14 #kisslinux lol

2020-09-12T08:36:04 #kisslinux My issue with alacritty is that it requires a more recent GPU support which I don't have easily accessible. I haven't tried to fix it yet though.

2020-09-12T08:37:16 #kisslinux You could try foot and/or wayst

2020-09-12T08:40:09 #kisslinux I've tried st previously, and I think I might have been missing colors or something. I've never heard of foot, so it's on my TODO list of things to check out.

2020-09-12T08:41:01 #kisslinux Ah, talking about Xorg?

2020-09-12T08:41:39 #kisslinux Presently on Xorg, but I also have a wayland install. You may find my IRC setup interesting. It's a bunch of kakoune clients hooked into the output of ii.

2020-09-12T08:42:45 #kisslinux Oh. I get windows and tabs for free with i3 obviously.

2020-09-12T08:48:45 #kisslinux Nice

2020-09-12T08:52:50 #kisslinux I'm working on new output for KISS. This is the format I'm currently testing out: https://termbin.com/byfsl

2020-09-12T11:56:35 #kisslinux Hmm. Is there a way to capture oom-kill things when using kiss build? I've been scratching my head a few times when it turned out it was an out-of-memory thing and not a dependency issue.

2020-09-12T12:42:48 #kisslinux bjoernfan1: use SysRq key to recover from oom state

2020-09-12T12:43:04 #kisslinux use can also use userspace helpers like earlyoom to handle oom more gracefully

2020-09-12T12:46:39 #kisslinux Oh, cool. I'll check that out. Thanks. :)

2020-09-12T13:17:57 #kisslinux Do you guys use full disk encryption? Would this be setup as part of the prereq: "NOTE: Disks should be setup and fully mounted to /mnt."?

2020-09-12T13:25:50 #kisslinux yep. yes, basically

2020-09-12T13:28:19 #kisslinux nothing stops you to use another disk layout and mounpoint. it's just defaults

2020-09-12T13:32:17 #kisslinux Anyone have a good guide I can follow to do a KISS full disk encryption setup? Preferably using efistub

2020-09-12T13:37:05 #kisslinux nope. i'll probably write basic guide how to do it

2020-09-12T13:37:32 #kisslinux maybe after tinyramfs release ...

2020-09-12T17:54:19 #kisslinux interesting https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2020/08/14/3

2020-09-12T18:05:45 #kisslinux yes, we are fighting with this on alpine for more than 3 weeks

2020-09-12T18:19:36 #kisslinux nerditup: Uhm, yeah. I've got that working, full disk encryption. Not sure what efistub is though, so I'm probably not using that. I should have some notes somewhere around here.

2020-09-12T18:22:27 #kisslinux Heh, all the notes I found now is that I was missing algif_skcipher in the kernel, didn't write down what issue that caused though.

2020-09-12T18:25:12 #kisslinux Hey, alpine. I just started that for the first time. I want to set up sourcehut, and when that environment is up I can take on some new things using that. Maybe set up a build job that installs kiss with full disk encryption in a VM?

2020-09-12T18:37:38 #kisslinux bjoernfan1: I can't help about this. this is question for someone who have experience with setting disk encryption

2020-09-12T19:51:45 #kisslinux <dan[m]1> does anyone have any idea what the default tty font is? i want my terminal to look the same but cant find the font

2020-09-12T20:23:38 #kisslinux <dan[m]1> its this font at size 15 for anyone interested

2020-09-12T20:23:40 #kisslinux <dan[m]1> https://www.dafont.com/perfect-dos-vga-437.font

2020-09-12T20:30:52 #kisslinux Hello!

2020-09-12T20:32:07 #kisslinux "mps" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_mps:matrix.org) Oh, nah, I'm just thinking out loud of what I think I'm going to try to do. :)

2020-09-12T20:33:30 #kisslinux Hello, "perish" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_perish:matrix.org)

2020-09-12T20:35:09 #kisslinux Oh, do we have someone bridging?

2020-09-12T20:35:15 #kisslinux That looks funky

2020-09-12T20:36:05 #kisslinux "nerditup" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_nerditup:matrix.org) If you more or less follow arch or Gentoo instructions for full disk encryption you're almost there, then if you have issues with KISS specific stuff I can try to help out when you get there

2020-09-12T20:36:57 #kisslinux "perish" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_perish:matrix.org) I should probably check the irc logs to see what bridging looks like from your end.. heh.

2020-09-12T20:37:21 #kisslinux http://0x0.st/iIAH.png

2020-09-12T20:37:24 #kisslinux Like so

2020-09-12T20:37:28 #kisslinux In birch

2020-09-12T20:37:51 #kisslinux I wonder what client you're using

2020-09-12T20:38:00 #kisslinux If you are on KISS

2020-09-12T20:38:10 #kisslinux Wow that looks awful.

2020-09-12T20:38:23 #kisslinux Quite

2020-09-12T20:38:41 #kisslinux I suppose some other clients may have technology regarding it?

2020-09-12T20:39:11 #kisslinux But I use birch, as it's the only one with a source that I can begin to understand :<

2020-09-12T20:39:16 #kisslinux Nah, on my phone right now, using the matrix client Element (used to be called Riot). At my workstation I use the web interface, guess it's called element-web now.

2020-09-12T20:39:22 #kisslinux Ah

2020-09-12T20:39:44 #kisslinux Shame they only have electron and rust clients

2020-09-12T20:39:55 #kisslinux And the rust client is a full GNOME app

2020-09-12T20:40:21 #kisslinux I'm not a huge fan of the matrix protocol :P

2020-09-12T20:41:28 #kisslinux Not going to disagree with either of you. Works very well from a user perspective, and setting up my own homeserver hasn't been hard.

2020-09-12T20:41:59 #kisslinux Now I'm going to dive into my book, ttyl!

2020-09-12T20:42:01 #kisslinux I understand why it exist. I think it's good for what it is.

2020-09-12T20:42:04 #kisslinux I've been looking into moving away from my primary chat platform, Discord

2020-09-12T20:42:17 #kisslinux And it seems most are... annoying to use

2020-09-12T20:42:19 #kisslinux Yeah matrix is a great discord alternative.

2020-09-12T20:42:21 #kisslinux Imo

2020-09-12T20:42:45 #kisslinux Matrix has the issue of having less clients than a proprietary service

2020-09-12T20:42:48 #kisslinux :^)

2020-09-12T20:43:20 #kisslinux Fair

2020-09-12T20:43:34 #kisslinux cchat-gtk (w/ cchat-discord), gtkcord3, cordless, ripcord, ircdiscord, 8cord are the ones I know of

2020-09-12T20:44:00 #kisslinux Oh, and pidgin; but that also has a matrix interface

2020-09-12T20:44:21 #kisslinux There are a few terminal ones as well that look nice.

2020-09-12T20:44:31 #kisslinux I think I got all of those

2020-09-12T20:44:34 #kisslinux There is one in go I don't remember the name but it looked nice.

2020-09-12T20:44:42 #kisslinux Diamondburned?

2020-09-12T20:44:52 #kisslinux The author of it, that is

2020-09-12T20:44:56 #kisslinux I think that one is 8cord

2020-09-12T20:45:01 #kisslinux https://github.com/tulir/gomuks

2020-09-12T20:45:04 #kisslinux Oh!

2020-09-12T20:45:09 #kisslinux Another to add to the list

2020-09-12T20:45:20 #kisslinux Hm...

2020-09-12T20:45:26 #kisslinux Which SSL to use?

2020-09-12T20:45:34 #kisslinux Is cem around?

2020-09-12T20:45:36 #kisslinux I'm cnsidering trying to package it but haven't tried yet.

2020-09-12T20:47:12 #kisslinux I'll stick to libre for now

2020-09-12T20:49:53 #kisslinux What is the default matrix homeserver? I forget

2020-09-12T20:50:10 #kisslinux The matrix.org one, iirc

2020-09-12T20:50:39 #kisslinux it seems to work

2020-09-12T20:50:40 #kisslinux gomuks

2020-09-12T20:50:43 #kisslinux on kiss with libressl

2020-09-12T20:52:12 #kisslinux Nice!

2020-09-12T20:52:32 #kisslinux I have to package libolm however for encryption support.

2020-09-12T20:52:38 #kisslinux I do think that'd be a good package to have in community

2020-09-12T20:52:55 #kisslinux As we allow clients to proprietary software in there(see: ncspot)

2020-09-12T20:53:09 #kisslinux Yeah, I will most likely make a pull request after I test it more.

2020-09-12T20:56:06 #kisslinux It works wonderfully since I do use matrix for direct messaging.

2020-09-12T20:56:21 #kisslinux I don't know why I didn't package it sooner shrug

2020-09-12T21:51:34 #kisslinux quick q: did anyone package btrfs-progs? I cant seem to find it on the main repos or community

2020-09-12T21:56:42 #kisslinux ./usr/bin/awk

2020-09-12T21:56:42 #kisslinux ./usr/bin/banner

2020-09-12T21:56:42 #kisslinux ./usr/bin/basename

2020-09-12T21:56:42 #kisslinux ./usr/bin/bc

2020-09-12T21:56:42 #kisslinux ./usr/bin/dc

2020-09-12T21:57:12 #kisslinux Well that was embarssing.Well that was embarrsing

2020-09-12T21:57:15 #kisslinux Wrong clipboard

2020-09-12T21:57:19 #kisslinux http://0x0.st/iIAI.png

2020-09-12T21:57:26 #kisslinux Yes, btrfs is packaged

2020-09-12T21:58:56 #kisslinux OH! i forgot the extra /community when adding it into my path

2020-09-12T21:59:04 #kisslinux Hahaha

2020-09-12T21:59:10 #kisslinux We all make that mistake at some point :p

2020-09-12T21:59:23 #kisslinux its been what, two months since I last touched kiss

2020-09-12T21:59:50 #kisslinux Oh boy, time to dive into baseutil's build system

2020-09-12T22:00:10 #kisslinux and now I am going full time with kiss on my main system

2020-09-12T22:03:43 #kisslinux I think our webkit2gtk build has some serious issues....

2020-09-12T22:03:49 #kisslinux I may be wrong though

2020-09-12T22:05:24 #kisslinux I was testing our webkit2gtk build and the user agent for all of browsers showed that the backend is Safari 11. Where as most up to date builds of webkit2gtk on major distributions show Safari13. I know we are on the latest webkit2gtk so i'm not sure why this is happening. But if the user agent is right that could have some serious security issues.

2020-09-12T22:07:56 #kisslinux I think this is what causes our webkit2gtk have issues with some sites like gitlab

2020-09-12T22:16:23 #kisslinux is cem keylan around?

2020-09-12T22:16:50 #kisslinux muevoid: I think so too. I have recently tested webkit on openbsd and ubuntu, and the browsers there had much better compatabilty. Gitlab and even google login(yt) worked.

2020-09-12T22:17:01 #kisslinux Yes I confirmed it

2020-09-12T22:17:22 #kisslinux All of the browsers in community the user agent string has Safari 11 which has serious security vulrneabilities

2020-09-12T22:17:43 #kisslinux The thing is our webkit2gtk version is the latest but it appears as if it using an outdated version of webkit

2020-09-12T22:18:13 #kisslinux In comparison most of the other distros I tested are two versions ahead with Safari 13 as the backend

2020-09-12T22:18:25 #kisslinux I would recommend till this is figured out to stop using webkit2gtk at least I am

2020-09-12T22:21:53 #kisslinux I mean you can change the user aget, but I had succes with that

2020-09-12T22:24:55 #kisslinux I don't think that is the issue. I think for some reason that it is building against an older version of webkit. However I will test setting the user agent.

2020-09-12T22:52:51 #kisslinux I am beyond confused

2020-09-12T22:53:41 #kisslinux :D

2020-09-12T22:54:20 #kisslinux i would like to get webkit2gtk to be viable on KISS. But I am not sure what is messing with our build...

2020-09-12T23:03:59 #kisslinux what does the [m] mean?

2020-09-12T23:05:23 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> periish: matrix.org server

2020-09-12T23:05:31 #kisslinux Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

2020-09-12T23:24:38 #kisslinux <muevoids[m]> Huh that's nifty

2020-09-12T23:25:01 #kisslinux <muevoids[m]> I just got a goland matrix client set up and didn't know I could use it for irc as well