2020-05-16T00:33:10 #kisslinux nick hello

2020-05-16T00:33:21 #kisslinux names

2020-05-16T03:37:07 #kisslinux hi

2020-05-16T03:37:50 #kisslinux Is anyone using birch irc client?

2020-05-16T04:19:54 #kisslinux donix: Not at the moment, but I have.

2020-05-16T04:39:29 #kisslinux Can anyone else reproduce firefox-bin and firefox-esr-bin not working?

2020-05-16T04:39:48 #kisslinux mattx433: Do they work with fresh profiles?

2020-05-16T04:50:46 #kisslinux worked for me yesterday

2020-05-16T04:50:49 #kisslinux firefox-bin that is

2020-05-16T08:34:52 #kisslinux o/

2020-05-16T09:19:38 #kisslinux dylanaraps: regarding KISS mesa: are all the dependencies needed for mesa to make a "libGL.so" for glx? Maybe you can tell me stuff that I can drop for noXland. I have not yet found good information and it would be a try and error.

2020-05-16T09:38:59 #kisslinux towards everybody ofc who spent some time with configuring mesa (:

2020-05-16T10:43:43 #kisslinux E5ten: nice

2020-05-16T15:48:01 #kisslinux o/

2020-05-16T15:50:00 #kisslinux hey dylan03 :)

2020-05-16T15:56:42 #kisslinux How are things around where you live?

2020-05-16T16:43:23 #kisslinux dylan03: thoughts on doing this to avoid the only tabs currently present in kiss and guaranteeing consistent indentation?

2020-05-16T16:43:34 #kisslinux whoops forgot to actually include the link http://ix.io/2me2

2020-05-16T16:44:06 #kisslinux Nice

2020-05-16T16:48:35 #kisslinux dylan03: also I don't know if you saw, but I sent a patch to sbase to support dashless tar args, so if that gets merged, I think you can go back to just using tar [ctx]f because I don't know of any other tar that doesn't support dashless arg

2020-05-16T16:51:20 #kisslinux dylan03: installing the current firefox-bin pkg, input is extremely laggy on typing into the search bar.

2020-05-16T16:51:27 #kisslinux any idea on what the issue might be?

2020-05-16T16:51:34 #kisslinux No idea

2020-05-16T16:51:41 #kisslinux Have you tried firefox-esr-bin?

2020-05-16T16:51:51 #kisslinux I have no issues here with both -bin packages.

2020-05-16T16:52:37 #kisslinux Your best bet is to build your own (with -march=native) and see if you can still reproduce the issue. The -bin builds are generic x86_64 for obvious reasons.

2020-05-16T16:53:04 #kisslinux E5ten: Nice. I wonder if any other tar implementations exist?

2020-05-16T16:53:17 #kisslinux (At least those with actual use of some kind)

2020-05-16T16:53:27 #kisslinux I looked at various ones, couldn't find any that don't support dashless

2020-05-16T16:53:33 #kisslinux Does toybox tar support dashless?

2020-05-16T16:53:37 #kisslinux yeah

2020-05-16T16:54:23 #kisslinux toybox has an option string feature where if you put an & at the beginning of the option string it treats the first argument as options even when it's missing a dash, for tar, and in the future for supporting BSD syntax for ps

2020-05-16T16:55:14 #kisslinux That's neat

2020-05-16T16:56:04 #kisslinux so gtar, bsdtar, toybox tar, busybox tar, sbase tar if my patch gets merged, solaris tar, uhh some tars that illiti sent that I checked, all support dashless

2020-05-16T16:56:12 #kisslinux not sure if there are any other noteworthy tar implementations

2020-05-16T16:56:29 #kisslinux I guess netbsd and openbsd probably don't use libarchive's bsdtar by default but obviously their tar's support dashless

2020-05-16T16:58:52 #kisslinux oh there's star, I don't really remember what it is but it seemed mildly noteworthy and I remember checking and that it supports dashless

2020-05-16T17:04:48 #kisslinux but yeah I find toybox's option string thing really cool, it has like any feature you could ever want in option parsing

2020-05-16T17:09:50 #kisslinux dylan03: tried the firefox-esr-bin pkg, and now every tab crashes...

2020-05-16T17:12:50 #kisslinux I am trying to install kiss on my vps, following the instructions

2020-05-16T17:13:11 #kisslinux set up a chroot, but every time I try to install a package it fails with a whole load of

2020-05-16T17:13:14 #kisslinux rm: can't remove '/root/.cache/kiss/build-9402/util-linux/po': Directory not empty

2020-05-16T17:13:27 #kisslinux and lines like that

2020-05-16T17:14:39 #kisslinux > dylan03 09:26 How are things around where you live?

2020-05-16T17:14:52 #kisslinux It's fine-ish.

2020-05-16T17:15:20 #kisslinux Case count is increasing, though.

2020-05-16T17:15:44 #kisslinux Uni is set to re-open on the 15th of June, not sure if that'll stand.

2020-05-16T17:16:46 #kisslinux How're things in Greece, dylan03?

2020-05-16T17:19:14 #kisslinux onodera: What filesystem are you using?

2020-05-16T17:21:22 #kisslinux the curse of rust, having to build llvm -_-

2020-05-16T17:22:14 #kisslinux icyphox: Greece is set to open (internally) in a few days with hopes to open for tourism in June/July. Where I live we had one case and nothing since. The cities here are where the cases are mostly focused.

2020-05-16T17:22:25 #kisslinux E5ten: Sounds good to me.

2020-05-16T17:23:02 #kisslinux dylan03: do you mean toybox's cool option stuff, or switching back to only using dashless once sbase supports it lol?

2020-05-16T17:23:08 #kisslinux spacehare: Firefox is very tricky sometimes. It's working fine for me and others for example. What processor and GPU do you have?

2020-05-16T17:23:16 #kisslinux The latter

2020-05-16T17:23:20 #kisslinux "Yes"

2020-05-16T17:23:24 #kisslinux ;)

2020-05-16T17:24:33 #kisslinux well hopefully it gets added soon, and if it does I'll ask to cut a release so kiss can ditch _tar() ASAP

2020-05-16T17:26:38 #kisslinux dylan03: Oh wow, that's p good. I reckon it's only going to get worse here in India.

2020-05-16T17:26:53 #kisslinux Nearly 10k cases in the my college state.

2020-05-16T17:26:55 #kisslinux lol

2020-05-16T17:26:57 #kisslinux s/the//

2020-05-16T17:28:01 #kisslinux E5ten: Your patch (for ls stuff) doesn't seem to work.

2020-05-16T17:28:42 #kisslinux It's leaving the result blank.

2020-05-16T17:28:59 #kisslinux I think we're splitting it wrong (or your ls output differs to mine?)

2020-05-16T17:29:33 #kisslinux hmm, yeah with toybox ls it works but not busybox, I'll see what's going on

2020-05-16T17:29:50 #kisslinux differing whitespace, gimme a minute

2020-05-16T17:31:47 #kisslinux huh, busybox ls' output isn't POSIX lol

2020-05-16T17:32:09 #kisslinux * E5ten sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jmSqIWrFfcCxMTwcAMsVgsXG >

2020-05-16T17:32:10 #kisslinux Oh god

2020-05-16T17:32:19 #kisslinux but busybox does %4lu for that first %u

2020-05-16T17:32:49 #kisslinux also %-10s for the first %s but that's not what's causing the issue

2020-05-16T17:33:24 #kisslinux I'll patch our ls

2020-05-16T17:34:23 #kisslinux this works with busybox ls but I want a bit more time to make sure it works right for sure http://ix.io/2med

2020-05-16T17:37:03 #kisslinux dylan03: xfs

2020-05-16T17:37:25 #kisslinux onodera: I thought so. Another user with xfs reported the same issue.

2020-05-16T17:38:01 #kisslinux There are lots of reports of this issue on the net

2020-05-16T17:38:03 #kisslinux https://superuser.com/questions/769902/rm-rf-cannot-remove-some-folders-on-xfs-system

2020-05-16T17:38:51 #kisslinux http://xfs.9218.n7.nabble.com/can-t-remove-dir-td34657.html

2020-05-16T17:38:52 #kisslinux dylan03: I have an Intel i3-8130U, 4 cores. and GPU...

2020-05-16T17:38:55 #kisslinux hmm

2020-05-16T17:39:05 #kisslinux http://xfs.9218.n7.nabble.com/Empty-dir-can-t-be-removed-because-it-s-not-empty-td30676.html

2020-05-16T17:39:15 #kisslinux neofetch won't show GPU... which makes me think I haven't configured my kernel to support my GPU...

2020-05-16T17:39:17 #kisslinux I might just use ext4 then

2020-05-16T17:39:23 #kisslinux I'm not sure if this is a KISS issue basically.

2020-05-16T17:40:25 #kisslinux dylan03: ok this should work regardless of whitespace, thanks busybox for being non-POSIX here for absolutely no reason and forcing this to be more complex :) http://ix.io/2mef

2020-05-16T17:40:55 #kisslinux well it still requires that the whitespace used is spaces and not tabs but the number of spaces shouldn't matter

2020-05-16T17:41:24 #kisslinux The read is so much simpler now :P

2020-05-16T17:41:41 #kisslinux yeah but the tabs :(

2020-05-16T17:42:02 #kisslinux It's tabs or I drop the indentation for these

2020-05-16T17:42:14 #kisslinux this can be simpler than it is if we trust that the variable amount of spaces will only be with the number and not the username

2020-05-16T17:43:32 #kisslinux but I don't think we can

2020-05-16T17:46:13 #kisslinux One piece of one part of the kde framework requires ssl support in qt5

2020-05-16T17:46:23 #kisslinux So... Now we have libressl support in qt5 I guess

2020-05-16T17:46:51 #kisslinux dylan03: the read is still the same number of lines as this though, and this lets you have normal indentation, instead of tabs or no indentation, imo might be worth it anyway

2020-05-16T17:52:24 #kisslinux dylan03: actually, looking at the printf formatting in busybox, it does seem we can trust that there will only be one space between the link count and the username, because padding occurs on the right

2020-05-16T17:53:19 #kisslinux dylan03: so this should work consistently and is pretty much as simple as the first one I sent, and I'd say simple enough to justify replacing the read with it http://ix.io/2mej

2020-05-16T17:54:24 #kisslinux for example, sbase ls also has non-POSIX padding, but like busybox, the username padding is to the right and there's still guaranteed to be one space between the symlink count and the username

2020-05-16T17:54:33 #kisslinux so the construct in the latest link still works

2020-05-16T17:55:42 #kisslinux BSD ls is similar, different padding, still non-POSIX because there shouldn't be any, but still guaranteed only one space between symlink count and username

2020-05-16T17:56:01 #kisslinux so yeah this newest link is simpler and should still be portable across all ls implementations

2020-05-16T18:16:41 #kisslinux is there any iso or something

2020-05-16T18:16:52 #kisslinux I wanna install kiss on my vps and using the rootfs is not really working it seems...

2020-05-16T18:18:53 #kisslinux oh wait ignore me

2020-05-16T18:22:01 #kisslinux sure

2020-05-16T18:22:05 #kisslinux ignore onodera

2020-05-16T18:22:12 #kisslinux /igore onodera

2020-05-16T18:22:15 #kisslinux ops

2020-05-16T18:22:44 #kisslinux done, happy?

2020-05-16T19:34:06 #kisslinux spacehare: :(

2020-05-16T19:34:39 #kisslinux jk :^)

2020-05-16T23:29:00 #kisslinux dylan: is there any reason why we using command -v instead of [ -x ... ] in https://github.com/kisslinux/init/blob/master/lib/init/rc.boot ?

2020-05-16T23:34:34 #kisslinux because that command could be in any location?

2020-05-16T23:35:54 #kisslinux but our usage is very basic

2020-05-16T23:36:37 #kisslinux we simply check if udev or mdev exist

2020-05-16T23:38:41 #kisslinux and i don't see ability to early export custom PATH, so command -v is overhead in this case

2020-05-16T23:40:22 #kisslinux could it not exist in /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin, or could the init not be used on a system with separate /bin and /usr/bin or separate /sbin and /usr/sbin etc. there are numerous places where it could be

2020-05-16T23:42:32 #kisslinux separate /usr/ is not possible in KISS

2020-05-16T23:42:53 #kisslinux at least by default

2020-05-16T23:43:17 #kisslinux would you want the init to fail on a system where someone changed it to have a separate /usr?

2020-05-16T23:43:46 #kisslinux or where they installed udev or whatever manually instead of with a package so it's in /usr/local/bin?

2020-05-16T23:45:18 #kisslinux separate /usr/ is not possible in KISS by design due to hardcoded symlinks

2020-05-16T23:45:30 #kisslinux "and i don't see ability to early export custom PATH, ..."

2020-05-16T23:45:54 #kisslinux the default PATH doesn't include /usr/local?

2020-05-16T23:46:17 #kisslinux and couldn't someone modify the baselayout build file to have actual directories instead of symlinks?

2020-05-16T23:47:49 #kisslinux PATH depend on shell implementation

2020-05-16T23:47:51 #kisslinux it's not possible because kiss(package manager) hardcoded to /usr

2020-05-16T23:48:18 #kisslinux Hello

2020-05-16T23:48:23 #kisslinux hi

2020-05-16T23:48:30 #kisslinux How's things?

2020-05-16T23:48:40 #kisslinux nice

2020-05-16T23:49:29 #kisslinux illiliti: where does the kiss package manager hardcode /usr? (like it hardcodes it for removing certain files that are unwanted, but that specifically doesn't seem to indicate a hardcoding of installing stuff to /usr)

2020-05-16T23:50:22 #kisslinux also if PATH depends on shell implementation, then a shell could have /usr/local/bin in its default PATH and then if you used [ -x the init wouldn't work if a command being looked for was in /usr/local/bin

2020-05-16T23:51:50 #kisslinux I'm installing KISS on my other machine at the moment. First time configuring and building my own kernel. Trying to figure out the ALSA setup for my sound card. Looking at their Vendor Matrix, I can't seem to figure out what I need for my HDA Intel PCH (Intel Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio). Any tips?

2020-05-16T23:52:09 #kisslinux E5ten: alternatives system hardcoded /usr/bin

2020-05-16T23:53:19 #kisslinux does anyone use a tar implementation over de default busybox one?

2020-05-16T23:53:23 #kisslinux if so, why?

2020-05-16T23:53:39 #kisslinux init wouldn't work too if PATH doesn't contain /usr/local...

2020-05-16T23:54:39 #kisslinux we need to add ability to export PATH then

2020-05-16T23:54:56 #kisslinux illiliti: can tell me a line to look at for where the alternatives system hardcodes /usr/bin because I don't see it?

2020-05-16T23:56:05 #kisslinux https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/search?q=%2Fusr%2Fbin&unscoped_q=%2Fusr%2Fbin

2020-05-16T23:56:49 #kisslinux those are packages though, not the package manager, anyone could change their local copy of the package to install elsewhere

2020-05-16T23:57:09 #kisslinux Never mind my previous question. I think I'll figure it out from CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL.

2020-05-16T23:58:14 #kisslinux illiliti: also, from baselayout's 'profile' file, the default PATH it specifies is '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin', so someone could put udevd in /usr/local/bin, and command -v would find it, but [ -x /usr/bin/udevd ] wouldn't