2020-04-29T00:02:17 #kisslinux i think it's because librsyslog.a is after -lz on thet linker command

2020-04-29T00:24:59 #kisslinux Thanks for the help! i fixed it by using very dirty workaround :)

2020-04-29T00:46:14 #kisslinux alright! I think I've got Xorg working, but my mouse doesn't work. I installed xf86-input-libinput, is there anything else I need? The xorg log's errors are only about the missing modules "ati", "fbdev", and "vesa"

2020-04-29T00:49:11 #kisslinux nvm, I rebooted and Xorg is picking it up now

2020-04-29T00:51:29 #kisslinux In case anyone is curious as to how to get a mostly secure sandbox for a browser. Check out simple sandboxing on the gentoo wiki and combine that with Xephyr(really simple to package just fork xorg and enable it and install dependencies

2020-04-29T00:51:51 #kisslinux Only dependency not already in repos is libXdmcp

2020-04-29T01:32:14 #kisslinux Im following the guide for wpa_supplicant on kiss. However Im not sure where to put the script file I made?

2020-04-29T01:48:35 #kisslinux himmalerin: those are all graphics drivers. If Xorg is working, you don't need them. Unless you have an AMD card

2020-04-29T02:02:47 #kisslinux Im very confused where do I put startup scripts?

2020-04-29T02:04:34 #kisslinux /etc/sv ?

2020-04-29T02:06:27 #kisslinux Do I just make a script in there chmod it and link it to /var/service?

2020-04-29T02:06:57 #kisslinux yep

2020-04-29T02:07:23 #kisslinux Ah my bad. I come from openrc and am not sure how to do some things yet. Thanks!

2020-04-29T02:12:57 #kisslinux <humaid_01> ominous_anonymou: maybe it creates nodes and after that mdev doesn't recreate them even if they're matched again. Maybe?

2020-04-29T02:18:14 #kisslinux Firefox takes waaay to long to build

2020-04-29T02:21:33 #kisslinux well, not firefox specifically. Just everything it takes to build it for the first time. Namely Rust

2020-04-29T02:29:56 #kisslinux the firefox build failed, it's not really clear what the error was

2020-04-29T02:30:16 #kisslinux does the kiss build system log everything somewhere so I can look through it?

2020-04-29T02:31:51 #kisslinux oh, it even says "Log stored to /home/..."

2020-04-29T02:36:02 #kisslinux himmalerin: hey, at least it's not as long as chrom{e,ium}

2020-04-29T02:39:48 #kisslinux well if chromium would /not/ fail when I tried to build it, I might be willing to take longer build times

2020-04-29T02:40:55 #kisslinux I am trying to write a script to open my browser. However im not very good at scripting. The problem is I can only have one open at a time due to me using Xephyr to sandbox browsers. Im trying to make a script that basically looks in /tmp/.X11-unix to get all current displays so when I start a new browser it uses one number higher then the highest one in that directory. If anyone could help me get on the right track it would be

2020-04-29T02:40:55 #kisslinux appreciated

2020-04-29T02:42:57 #kisslinux The errors that caused the firefox build to fail are for instances of the same error: "error: casts cannot be followed by a field access", anyone seen that before?

2020-04-29T03:17:09 #kisslinux nope

2020-04-29T03:17:24 #kisslinux just upload the logs here

2020-04-29T03:23:00 #kisslinux http://0x0.st/ieVb.txt

2020-04-29T04:27:25 #kisslinux I'm logging off for the night, but if anyone knows anything about the firefox build error I'm getting about I'd love to hear about it tomorrow!

2020-04-29T06:45:26 #kisslinux https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/741

2020-04-29T08:38:49 #kisslinux anyone tried building gtk+3 w/ meson? mine failed with check-version.py not found it seems

2020-04-29T08:39:32 #kisslinux Send your build file?

2020-04-29T08:39:34 #kisslinux konimex:

2020-04-29T08:40:02 #kisslinux two secs

2020-04-29T08:40:42 #kisslinux build file should be https://github.com/wyvertux/wyverkiss/blob/master/extra/gtk%2B3/build since I made no changes

2020-04-29T08:41:26 #kisslinux Thanks

2020-04-29T08:42:08 #kisslinux > meson.build:988:0: ERROR: Program(s) ['check-version.py'] not found or not executable

2020-04-29T08:44:28 #kisslinux konimex: You need to disable tests it looks like.

2020-04-29T08:44:41 #kisslinux Though... -Dtests=false

2020-04-29T08:44:43 #kisslinux It's already there

2020-04-29T08:47:19 #kisslinux It's also used with autotools: $(top_srcdir)/check-version.py $(top_srcdir)/configure.ac $(top_srcdir)/meson.build

2020-04-29T08:47:29 #kisslinux Under: dist-hook:

2020-04-29T08:47:38 #kisslinux dylan03 i'm trying your flatpak version, and after install and execute 0ad it appears a windows for less than a second and desapears, with the st terminal

2020-04-29T08:48:03 #kisslinux Got a log?

2020-04-29T08:48:08 #kisslinux i mean it kill the st window

2020-04-29T08:48:20 #kisslinux i have not a log because it desapears in a second

2020-04-29T08:48:39 #kisslinux Ah

2020-04-29T08:48:47 #kisslinux i see some log, but impossible to read in this short time

2020-04-29T08:48:48 #kisslinux Try 'cmd >~/file 2>&1`

2020-04-29T08:48:52 #kisslinux Yeah

2020-04-29T08:48:55 #kisslinux Redirect it out to a file

2020-04-29T08:48:58 #kisslinux ok

2020-04-29T08:49:14 #kisslinux Also, add '-v' to flatpak (after 'run' but before the name of 0ad)

2020-04-29T08:49:20 #kisslinux It'll then print verbose information

2020-04-29T08:49:40 #kisslinux I'll be back on a little later

2020-04-29T08:51:03 #kisslinux @dylan03 https://termbin.com/zew3

2020-04-29T11:07:57 #kisslinux eudaldgr: Have you tried running it with apulse?

2020-04-29T11:08:02 #kisslinux I'll push apulse to the flatpak repository.

2020-04-29T11:08:34 #kisslinux Done

2020-04-29T11:16:03 #kisslinux okey

2020-04-29T11:16:13 #kisslinux i havn't tried apulse

2020-04-29T11:16:32 #kisslinux 'apulse flatpak bla bla'

2020-04-29T11:16:40 #kisslinux okey thanks

2020-04-29T11:16:41 #kisslinux If it still doesn't work, a log would be handy.

2020-04-29T11:16:48 #kisslinux I'm hoping the output changes

2020-04-29T11:18:43 #kisslinux well now i see with top that i have to 0ad executing

2020-04-29T11:21:38 #kisslinux https://termbin.com/socj

2020-04-29T11:22:01 #kisslinux apulse flatpak run -v --user com.play0ad.zeroad >~/file 2>&1

2020-04-29T11:22:15 #kisslinux It may work with alsa

2020-04-29T11:22:39 #kisslinux Inside: conf/data/flatpak/overrides/global

2020-04-29T11:22:43 #kisslinux oops

2020-04-29T11:22:52 #kisslinux ~/.local/share/flatpak/overrides/global

2020-04-29T11:23:02 #kisslinux [Context]

2020-04-29T11:23:06 #kisslinux devices=snd

2020-04-29T11:23:10 #kisslinux That should do it

2020-04-29T11:23:36 #kisslinux It looks like the flatpak needs access to /dev/snd.

2020-04-29T11:23:48 #kisslinux If it works, I'll look into making it default to allowing ALSA playback.

2020-04-29T11:24:17 #kisslinux don't work

2020-04-29T11:27:23 #kisslinux Did the log change at all?

2020-04-29T11:28:20 #kisslinux https://termbin.com/o3up

2020-04-29T11:31:28 #kisslinux Thanks

2020-04-29T11:34:22 #kisslinux libreoffice don't work, no?

2020-04-29T11:34:47 #kisslinux the flatpak way i mean

2020-04-29T11:35:15 #kisslinux It does not

2020-04-29T11:35:19 #kisslinux It needs PulseAudio!

2020-04-29T11:35:30 #kisslinux mmmhhh..

2020-04-29T11:35:32 #kisslinux I'm working on a possible fix

2020-04-29T11:35:41 #kisslinux oh well thanks

2020-04-29T11:35:45 #kisslinux It's called alsa-oss which is like apulse but for OSS

2020-04-29T11:36:06 #kisslinux It should fix audio in anything only supporting pulse/oss/jack/whatever but not ALSA

2020-04-29T11:36:23 #kisslinux The only issue is that it heavily requires glibc

2020-04-29T11:37:35 #kisslinux =#

2020-04-29T11:39:19 #kisslinux
ACTION

2020-04-29T11:42:26 #kisslinux o/

2020-04-29T11:47:08 #kisslinux webkit2gtk now supports media playback: https://github.com/kisslinux/community/pull/750

2020-04-29T11:48:47 #kisslinux Thanks to merakor:!

2020-04-29T11:58:38 #kisslinux so I'm curious, what exactly is so bad about dbus and pulseaudio?

2020-04-29T11:59:35 #kisslinux I have perfectly working audio without it and it has to sit on top of ALSA and run as a daemon/server.

2020-04-29T12:00:12 #kisslinux It makes no sense to me (personally) and I everything audio works already.

2020-04-29T12:00:32 #kisslinux It can be simply added with a repository though (same for dbus https://github.com/periish/kiss-dbus)

2020-04-29T12:01:08 #kisslinux I secondly have a perfectly working system without dbus. It adds nothing (again, personally).

2020-04-29T12:03:18 #kisslinux I don't like how dbus opens IPC from non-root to root. I don't like its feature that spawns daemons (bypassing the service manager). I also don't like the UUID usage and how your UUID is readable by software (dbus-broker does solve this by giving you full control over the UUID).

2020-04-29T12:04:35 #kisslinux It's a lot easier to start from less and add things afterwards than it is to try and tear them out of a larger existing system.

2020-04-29T12:50:45 #kisslinux btw dylan: does kiss not check for checksums anymore in the package manager?

2020-04-29T12:51:49 #kisslinux in cached source

2020-04-29T12:55:19 #kisslinux man, looks like I have no choice but to use GNU make for the time being

2020-04-29T12:58:49 #kisslinux It does?

2020-04-29T13:18:25 #kisslinux seems like there's no indication of "checking sums" or something like that after found cached source

2020-04-29T13:20:33 #kisslinux There's no message, yeah

2020-04-29T13:34:17 #kisslinux dylan09: how do you manage hot-plugging audio devices without pulseaudio? Like, switching from speaker output to headphones if they are plugged/unplugged?

2020-04-29T13:34:27 #kisslinux dylan09: that allways was a pain in the ass for me with alsa

2020-04-29T13:35:37 #kisslinux Audio switches automagically for me from speakers to headphones and back

2020-04-29T13:36:49 #kisslinux actually, i never got this working this way, did you configure anything?

2020-04-29T13:37:21 #kisslinux Nothing special besides setting my default sound card

2020-04-29T13:37:45 #kisslinux Yeah, it should just work

2020-04-29T13:38:14 #kisslinux usb headphones with mic i assume?

2020-04-29T13:38:34 #kisslinux Oh

2020-04-29T13:38:39 #kisslinux No, 3.5mm

2020-04-29T13:38:47 #kisslinux yeah, im not talking about that :)

2020-04-29T14:50:44 #kisslinux dylan09: was just checking community, whats a ghost user? https://github.com/kisslinux/community/pull/738

2020-04-29T14:53:04 #kisslinux it means a user deleted/changed the account

2020-04-29T14:53:31 #kisslinux just click the username

2020-04-29T15:18:25 #kisslinux Well

2020-04-29T15:18:54 #kisslinux Time to drop weechat

2020-04-29T15:19:02 #kisslinux Unless anyone would like to maintain it?

2020-04-29T15:30:05 #kisslinux dylan09: Nah, we're good with birch ^^

2020-04-29T15:31:41 #kisslinux Speaking of birch, I've noticed that messages seem to be missing sometimes. For example, in birch my last message was 'dylan09 There's no message, yeah', whereas when I check the irc logs for the channel the last message is 'dylan09 Unless anyone would like to maintain it?'

2020-04-29T15:32:20 #kisslinux Not sure what the cause is.

2020-04-29T15:34:59 #kisslinux <myst_> Hi does anyone know how to autologin a user with getty in kisslinux.. I γοτ stuck ...

2020-04-29T15:37:16 #kisslinux Any help in the arch wiki? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Getty

2020-04-29T15:39:40 #kisslinux I think you can 'tty1::respawn:/sbin/login -f your_username' in /etc/inittab to automatically login to tty after boot, but that's all I know

2020-04-29T15:39:55 #kisslinux Don't take my word for it though, and as I said it's for tty

2020-04-29T15:41:48 #kisslinux <myst_> Yes and no because i thing getty / busybox its different there is no --autologin command to enter on inittab like normal getty

2020-04-29T15:43:22 #kisslinux You can install util-linux and use agetty

2020-04-29T15:43:30 #kisslinux It supports the flag you're looking for

2020-04-29T15:43:34 #kisslinux myst_:

2020-04-29T15:44:08 #kisslinux You could also package another getty utility which provides it (is there one?)

2020-04-29T15:46:24 #kisslinux <myst_> Thanks both of you for the answers Dylan 09 are you living in Greece?..

2020-04-29T15:47:06 #kisslinux Anyone here use Firefox and successfully built it on kiss? When I try to do so it errors out with "error: casts cannot be followed by a field access". Here's the full log http://0x0.st/ieVb.txt

2020-04-29T15:47:34 #kisslinux alternatively, what browser do most of you use? I'd be fine switching to something else simpler than firefox

2020-04-29T15:51:36 #kisslinux himmalerin: did you try the firefox-bin package? This will save you from having to build it yourself.

2020-04-29T15:53:31 #kisslinux I did not, I assumed there were no bin packages due to using musl. I'll give that a shot, thanks for the suggestion!

2020-04-29T15:53:52 #kisslinux myst_: I am, yeah.

2020-04-29T15:53:53 #kisslinux dylan09: yeah seems like torsocks and weechat needs a drop from community

2020-04-29T15:55:06 #kisslinux himmalerin: I'll see if I can reproduce the issue. I built Firefox just fine about a week ago.

2020-04-29T15:55:12 #kisslinux k1ss: I'll get on it.

2020-04-29T15:58:12 #kisslinux <myst_> dylan09 : me too

2020-04-29T15:58:34 #kisslinux Where abouts?

2020-04-29T16:00:18 #kisslinux dylan09: Thanks for taking a look! The bin package does work, so if you can't reproduce it that's not too bad

2020-04-29T16:03:01 #kisslinux <myst_> dylan09 : Piraeus

2020-04-29T16:05:26 #kisslinux myst_: I'm in Lefkada. Are you Greek or in Greece on work? How's things in Athens/Piraeus?

2020-04-29T16:18:34 #kisslinux The qt5 stack requires both python 2 and python 3 to build. Amazing

2020-04-29T16:25:18 #kisslinux dylan09: any updates on flatpak audio?

2020-04-29T16:28:10 #kisslinux dilynm: Same as Firefox

2020-04-29T16:28:53 #kisslinux k1ss: I'm still trying to get alsa-oss to build on musl. I think it'll be the simplest partial solution as a start.

2020-04-29T16:32:34 #kisslinux lol, glibc worked

2020-04-29T16:32:47 #kisslinux o/

2020-04-29T16:33:10 #kisslinux i ended up using sysvinit, though

2020-04-29T17:00:58 #kisslinux lieu: Nice

2020-04-29T17:14:04 #kisslinux what monospaced font do you all use? I have liberation-fonts and terminus-font installed, but k1ss.org is using a sans-serif font which totally breaks the layout

2020-04-29T17:20:44 #kisslinux iosevka

2020-04-29T17:40:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> I like inconsolata personally https://levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html

2020-04-29T17:42:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and ricty-diminished-discord

2020-04-29T18:23:12 #kisslinux I am currently going through the install process on my laptop as laid out on the k1ss install page. For "kiss update" curl is reporting the gzip link http://zlib.net/pigz/pigz-2.4.tar.gz has an SSL cert problem: certificate is not yet valid. Is this an issue with the package or cert, or should I go ahead and install fully first and update later?

2020-04-29T18:34:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> go ahead and install fully first, in my opinion. the update is going to be pretty lengthy anyways, might as well make sure everything is set prior to that

2020-04-29T18:38:00 #kisslinux Good point, will do. Thanks! I don't see any other SSL cert issues other than that 1

2020-04-29T18:38:53 #kisslinux Is your date right on the box?

2020-04-29T18:41:38 #kisslinux date command output shows Wed Apr 29 14:00:28 UTC 2020

2020-04-29T18:41:52 #kisslinux seems right

2020-04-29T18:51:58 #kisslinux If calendars and clocks are to be believed...

2020-04-29T19:06:38 #kisslinux good evening

2020-04-29T19:26:22 #kisslinux what's the utility for viewing man pages in Kiss? mandoc seems to for compiling them, not viewing them

2020-04-29T19:43:14 #kisslinux dylan09: Dylan I told you some time ago that I would not update scrot because they were project fork not developed by the original devel and I understood that it was fine. because personally on all systems I use that version which is stable to that of the creator, I can understand your point of view but I prefer to have everything stable in its place if I don't have some certainties

2020-04-29T19:44:32 #kisslinux if the prerogative is different then I have no problems that are under the responsibility of others. I personally release what I use and update only if I have reason to do it.

2020-04-29T19:48:21 #kisslinux kiss is sourced not binary... if i want unstable packages system i use other . for my ideal as such I use packages that work as required. it my point of view, sorry for the length due to the explanation. I go back to drinking :p

2020-04-29T19:53:06 #kisslinux ax: you do your thing, but see >I will not be accepting any new packages from maintainers with outdated ones.

2020-04-29T19:55:28 #kisslinux <humaid_01> dylan09: why dhcpcd has to processes?

2020-04-29T19:56:11 #kisslinux <Evil_Bob> himmalerin: mandoc can convert/format them

2020-04-29T19:56:12 #kisslinux <humaid_01> one PPID IS 1?

2020-04-29T19:56:33 #kisslinux <humaid_01> Two processes*

2020-04-29T19:57:14 #kisslinux k1ss: I have no problems if others take charge, I update them when I have real reason to do it. I don't update an original fork project because others do this if the original project is meant to simply do what it has to do. I do not compromise my rigorously compiled system otherwise I would have turned to something else

2020-04-29T19:59:15 #kisslinux it cant be that bad if alpine,void, even debian has it

2020-04-29T19:59:51 #kisslinux you you're talking about systems that provide binary non-packages to compile

2020-04-29T20:00:20 #kisslinux it's prerogative of other types of considerations

2020-04-29T20:00:34 #kisslinux not really, gentoo has 1.3 too

2020-04-29T20:03:52 #kisslinux version 1.3 everyone has it at the moment, but it's a fork. go to git and it is written in large letters. I've always used the original version which does what it has to do.

2020-04-29T20:04:06 #kisslinux 'Packages are updated as quickly as possible while at the same time tested to ensure that no issues arise in the new version. A new version of a package will be held back if it causes issues.' -- https://k1ss.org/faq

2020-04-29T20:04:34 #kisslinux so whats the problem exactly with the fork?

2020-04-29T20:04:36 #kisslinux too bloated?

2020-04-29T20:06:26 #kisslinux I knew the developer and I trust his revision to the last stage of development. I don't know what they did after him. If you then ask me about specific things that are not available in the original release then I may be willing to talk about it.

2020-04-29T20:07:11 #kisslinux it is, i use this and it work full, without problem. other, i dont know.

2020-04-29T20:07:30 #kisslinux cant you see the code here? https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/scrot/commits/master

2020-04-29T20:08:02 #kisslinux I mean its all open source, so whats the problem?

2020-04-29T20:18:41 #kisslinux none, it's not tested, and i don't know what it depends on, but i can read the code. if you care so much. place like this is another matter entirely, but are there really functions that require development branch? I have never had any segfault under any conditions..

2020-04-29T20:19:38 #kisslinux let's talk about something designed to do what it has to do. kiss.

2020-04-29T20:20:08 #kisslinux package it as scrot-ng and have both versions ;)

2020-04-29T20:20:29 #kisslinux abi: thats a good idea.

2020-04-29T20:21:24 #kisslinux or just update to 1.3 like other distros

2020-04-29T20:22:12 #kisslinux i got 404 error while downloading nodejs. anyone can repro?

2020-04-29T20:23:34 #kisslinux illiliti: Same here, it worked last night when I was trying to build firefox though

2020-04-29T20:24:50 #kisslinux There was a new release earlier today, maybe they delete the older tar files after a new release is created?

2020-04-29T20:25:55 #kisslinux maybe

2020-04-29T20:26:48 #kisslinux abi: yes it can be a good idea for subsequent branches, you should subject it to dylan

2020-04-29T20:31:04 #kisslinux illiliti: That is the case, only the latest release lives in release/latest-v14.x

2020-04-29T20:33:35 #kisslinux Maybe instead of using the release/latest-v14.x the actual url should be used, https://nodejs.org/download/release/v14.0.0/node-v14.0.0.tar.xz instead of (the now broken) https://nodejs.org/download/release/latest-v14.x/node-v14.0.0.tar.xz

2020-04-29T20:34:33 #kisslinux true

2020-04-29T21:05:10 #kisslinux What's the correct way to write the install script for fonts? liberation-fonts uses mkdir and cp, the styleguide says use install

2020-04-29T21:07:54 #kisslinux if the styleguide says use install, then use it.

2020-04-29T21:08:11 #kisslinux I guess the liberation-fonts build script needs to be updated.

2020-04-29T21:09:52 #kisslinux liberation-fonts went from install to mkdir/cp with the commit "More portable install" https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/8d7d0a39f6c335ff9d25b9d486a59fd91d35f00e

2020-04-29T21:11:04 #kisslinux So I'm unsure what the thing to do is

2020-04-29T21:17:28 #kisslinux install -t is not portable. you should use mkdir/cp instead

2020-04-29T21:25:42 #kisslinux btw, system-wide fonts is bad idea IMO. better to use ~/.local/share/fonts unless you have multiuser setup

2020-04-29T21:34:32 #kisslinux iosevka-nerd-fonts uses install without -t fwiw

2020-04-29T21:34:56 #kisslinux Illiliti: why?

2020-04-29T21:35:26 #kisslinux oh, I see

2020-04-29T21:35:52 #kisslinux dylan, how many ricing tools do you have? pywal, bud(dy), pal(eta), and now wsh :)

2020-04-29T21:40:05 #kisslinux dilynm: i'm personally dislike cluttering /usr/share

2020-04-29T21:40:46 #kisslinux Fair

2020-04-29T21:57:07 #kisslinux lol

2020-04-29T21:57:15 #kisslinux firefox build failed

2020-04-29T21:59:08 #kisslinux https://termbin.com/hpd1

2020-04-29T21:59:12 #kisslinux If you grep the log kiss makes is there a "error: casts cannot be followed by a field access"?

2020-04-29T21:59:55 #kisslinux huh that looks like a different error from what I got yesterday

2020-04-29T22:00:59 #kisslinux 4 matches for casts cannot....

2020-04-29T22:53:04 #kisslinux illiliti: That's the error I was getting too ( http://0x0.st/ieYE.txt ), but I don't see any mentions in your termbin link?

2020-04-29T22:59:03 #kisslinux i cut last 500 lines from log using tail -n 500. therefore grep 'casts cannot' doesn't show any matches

2020-04-29T23:53:10 #kisslinux Kiss the package manager only supports updating with git repos right? No Mercurial support?