2020-03-25T00:06:00 #kisslinux does kiss support any other architectures or are there plans to? Seems like it'd be a good fit for my old 32bit thinkpad

2020-03-25T00:09:00 #kisslinux mmcar: I'm running KISS on powerpc64le and aarch64

2020-03-25T00:09:19 #kisslinux It's easy to port, if you want to do that

2020-03-25T00:10:08 #kisslinux good to know! I've never anything like that before but I have a lot of time in the house now so I'll read about it some lol.

2020-03-25T00:10:53 #kisslinux See: https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-aarch64 and https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-ppc64le

2020-03-25T00:13:49 #kisslinux thanks!

2020-03-25T00:15:49 #kisslinux How did the process of porting kiss work? Did you just chroot and build the core packages one-by-one and patch the broken ones? I'm a little out of my depth here

2020-03-25T00:16:49 #kisslinux Easiest is to start with a distro that is already musl-based. E.g. void or alpine.

2020-03-25T00:17:21 #kisslinux This KISS package manager is a single shell script: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss

2020-03-25T00:18:11 #kisslinux You can run this script in another distro, with the environment variable KISS_ROOT to build up the packages in core/

2020-03-25T00:19:14 #kisslinux no kidding, that makes a lot of sense. I'm coincidentally already running musl void on the laptop in question so maybe this wouldn't be so hard to at least try out

2020-03-25T00:19:21 #kisslinux thanks for the info

2020-03-25T00:21:39 #kisslinux jedavies: i view drop but i don't know ... i use btrfs in my fs ..and it was important for me with the udev fix, which I sent to dylan and which he proceeded to modify in due course

2020-03-25T00:22:27 #kisslinux jedavies: manifest add. thank you.

2020-03-25T00:22:30 #kisslinux for help.

2020-03-25T00:35:03 #kisslinux ax: no probs. Am also interested in running btrfs - have a bunch of data I want move off zfs.

2020-03-25T00:35:17 #kisslinux another question please. now to add another package: return to master branch, create a new branch with the second package, add and commit relative, send the pr. Correct? Or do I have to wait for this branch to be incorporated into the master?

2020-03-25T00:35:53 #kisslinux Not sure what the story is with the removal of btfs-progs. Will have to wait until dylanaraps come back online to find out.

2020-03-25T00:36:16 #kisslinux that's exactly why I use it. the data.

2020-03-25T00:37:59 #kisslinux ax: you can do either. Either create a separate branch, commit there, then raise a PR. Or, on a single branch, wait for the first PR to be committed then update, commit then raise another PR.

2020-03-25T00:39:13 #kisslinux Having 2 PRs open at once should be fine, as long as there's 1 package - or set of related changes - per PR

2020-03-25T00:40:44 #kisslinux i have 7 packages in total now to send ... and i have been wrong the policy procedures for 10 days ... you know how it is ... i would like to avoid opening pr and closing them by myself for wrong procedure

2020-03-25T00:40:45 #kisslinux :P

2020-03-25T00:41:10 #kisslinux :)

2020-03-25T00:42:10 #kisslinux What other packagages are you adding?

2020-03-25T00:43:47 #kisslinux https://github.com/aicsx/kiss-repo for now ... it's

2020-03-25T00:45:34 #kisslinux the real problem will now arise to port the brother dcp-197c 32-bit driver, as happened at the time on crux.

2020-03-25T00:45:52 #kisslinux :P ... breaking balls, but necessary for me.

2020-03-25T00:46:52 #kisslinux Btw you can add more than 1 package to a PR if the packages are related. E.g. https://github.com/kisslinux/community/commit/bea9e765daef6bf2f123746fce263be9d4ca5ebf

2020-03-25T00:49:34 #kisslinux Interesting about the platform-specific driver. Not sure if that would go into community. I guess you would become the maintainer of that repo...

2020-03-25T00:50:44 #kisslinux I mean, the "32-bit drivers" repo

2020-03-25T00:55:17 #kisslinux the truth is that it was originally intended for 32bit. but it is a port. I did it on slackware with multilib, on arch in the same way. On crux I simply relinked the necessary libraries and thought I would do the same here too ... so a porting repo from 32 to _64 would be out of context

2020-03-25T00:56:04 #kisslinux anyway, i really appreciate your help tonight. you've been kind. to make good.

2020-03-25T00:56:16 #kisslinux now i go to sleep. good night ;)

2020-03-25T00:56:41 #kisslinux Good night

2020-03-25T00:57:05 #kisslinux hola

2020-03-25T00:57:13 #kisslinux hello

2020-03-25T00:57:24 #kisslinux Hello

2020-03-25T08:00:16 #kisslinux > llvm 234652 229M

2020-03-25T08:00:18 #kisslinux > clang 281760 275M

2020-03-25T08:00:20 #kisslinux oof

2020-03-25T08:00:55 #kisslinux konimex: What is the size of your llvm/clang for comparison?

2020-03-25T08:14:20 #kisslinux 475M total combined

2020-03-25T08:14:48 #kisslinux I wonder if there's a way to trim it down

2020-03-25T08:16:12 #kisslinux llvm 8 was 34MB, 8.0.1 was 54MB, 9 was 58MB and 10 is 63MB.

2020-03-25T08:16:18 #kisslinux It's growing over time in other words

2020-03-25T08:16:23 #kisslinux (tarball sizes)

2020-03-25T08:17:09 #kisslinux My 8 number is probably wrong, ignore it

2020-03-25T08:57:56 #kisslinux https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/releases/download/1.9.11/kiss-chroot.tar.xz

2020-03-25T08:58:13 #kisslinux how can we produce it from scratch?

2020-03-25T08:58:23 #kisslinux sorry i have not found doc

2020-03-25T09:21:58 #kisslinux There's no docs for that yet

2020-03-25T09:22:31 #kisslinux Basically, start with a musl distribution and run 'KISS_ROOT=/path/to/dir kiss bla bla' to build core and install it to a directory.

2020-03-25T09:22:35 #kisslinux That's the easiest way

2020-03-25T10:07:59 #kisslinux yeah i know thats way just curious to when i see https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-ppc64le

2020-03-25T10:08:27 #kisslinux thought there is a clfs...

2020-03-25T10:13:16 #kisslinux clfs?

2020-03-25T10:41:28 #kisslinux cross linux from scratch

2020-03-25T10:41:39 #kisslinux ...it's basically unmaintained now

2020-03-25T10:49:19 #kisslinux ok

2020-03-25T11:00:09 #kisslinux someone know why is there no gettext package?

2020-03-25T12:22:52 #kisslinux how about gettext-tiny?

2020-03-25T12:24:08 #kisslinux since dylan only targets english, no gettext it seems

2020-03-25T12:27:23 #kisslinux One less thing to worry about and it also makes packages smaller

2020-03-25T12:28:03 #kisslinux Nothing prevents you from using it though

2020-03-25T12:28:10 #kisslinux Just package it

2020-03-25T12:28:26 #kisslinux yeah i find it the last commit on yours repos

2020-03-25T12:28:39 #kisslinux but there is no explanation about

2020-03-25T12:28:42 #kisslinux the remove

2020-03-25T12:29:26 #kisslinux it was never included in the first place so there's no removal

2020-03-25T12:29:27 #kisslinux Where?

2020-03-25T12:29:50 #kisslinux Some packages vendor gettext and use it for the build. I may have disabled this somewhere

2020-03-25T12:31:23 #kisslinux on extra repo sometime in august '19

2020-03-25T12:31:48 #kisslinux https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/9c01568403660ced086d00d76ecdb4853d04d2d2

2020-03-25T12:32:15 #kisslinux Ah

2020-03-25T12:32:22 #kisslinux Something needed it at the time

2020-03-25T12:32:32 #kisslinux And I figured out how to remove the dependency

2020-03-25T12:33:03 #kisslinux fine

2020-03-25T12:34:13 #kisslinux i needed to build fuse

2020-03-25T12:35:02 #kisslinux but if there are no place to gettext on kiss-official repos i don't try to put there

2020-03-25T12:35:05 #kisslinux thanks

2020-03-25T12:35:47 #kisslinux fuse3 or fuse2? in my personal repos fuse2 doesn't need gettext

2020-03-25T12:41:20 #kisslinux eudaldgr: Use your own repository

2020-03-25T12:43:15 #kisslinux i know xd

2020-03-25T15:52:38 #kisslinux export CC="zig cc" && kiss b m4... works!

2020-03-25T16:02:12 #kisslinux jedavies: Oh! I wanted to try that.

2020-03-25T16:02:14 #kisslinux Nice.

2020-03-25T16:02:27 #kisslinux Zig is fantastic, really.

2020-03-25T16:02:52 #kisslinux Also, can someone give a quick example of a program using autoshit to build?

2020-03-25T16:02:57 #kisslinux (That's in the repos)

2020-03-25T16:03:23 #kisslinux jedavies, is there any recipe for zig?

2020-03-25T16:05:48 #kisslinux icyphox: m4

2020-03-25T16:06:22 #kisslinux mahmudov: was just trying things out with the tarball from their site

2020-03-25T16:07:00 #kisslinux pre-compiled?

2020-03-25T16:08:18 #kisslinux Thanks dylanaraps.

2020-03-25T16:10:26 #kisslinux What MUAs do you guys use?

2020-03-25T16:10:31 #kisslinux icyphox: Here's a list: https://termbin.com/fdjl

2020-03-25T16:10:52 #kisslinux I just did 'grep ./configure' (really) so it may have a few false positives

2020-03-25T16:10:59 #kisslinux MUA?

2020-03-25T16:11:04 #kisslinux Mail user agent.

2020-03-25T16:11:09 #kisslinux Mail client.

2020-03-25T16:11:22 #kisslinux mutt

2020-03-25T16:11:34 #kisslinux Right

2020-03-25T16:11:35 #kisslinux I find mutt a little... excessive.

2020-03-25T16:11:37 #kisslinux I used to use mutt

2020-03-25T16:11:42 #kisslinux And I'm unhappy with aerc.

2020-03-25T16:11:47 #kisslinux Now I just use the browser

2020-03-25T16:11:52 #kisslinux but sometimes thunderbird when I'm in Void, haven't got around to build it in kiss

2020-03-25T16:12:04 #kisslinux Building Thunderbird?

2020-03-25T16:12:06 #kisslinux lol

2020-03-25T16:12:26 #kisslinux it shares some patches with firefox so hey it might work

2020-03-25T16:12:33 #kisslinux I'm looking for small and composable utilities to send/recieve email.

2020-03-25T16:12:52 #kisslinux I've found getmail for receiving. I can't seem to find something nice for sending.

2020-03-25T16:13:00 #kisslinux I need SMTP over STARTTLS support.

2020-03-25T16:13:02 #kisslinux I like mutt

2020-03-25T16:13:26 #kisslinux I've been toying with the idea of writing my own in bash -- like a wrapper around getmail / sendmail.

2020-03-25T16:13:32 #kisslinux There's a list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_email_clients

2020-03-25T16:13:40 #kisslinux Except sendmail includes a whole mailserver, which I don't need.

2020-03-25T16:13:59 #kisslinux Right

2020-03-25T16:14:06 #kisslinux Can you not disable the server part/

2020-03-25T16:14:12 #kisslinux one can probably fiddle around netcat

2020-03-25T16:14:32 #kisslinux konimex: TLS though.

2020-03-25T16:14:33 #kisslinux Also see: https://www.nongnu.org/nmh/

2020-03-25T16:16:39 #kisslinux dylanaraps: I'm not sure if that sends/recieves email.

2020-03-25T16:16:48 #kisslinux Looks like it just... handles email.

2020-03-25T16:16:50 #kisslinux lol

2020-03-25T16:18:07 #kisslinux https://marlam.de/msmtp/msmtp.html

2020-03-25T16:18:11 #kisslinux This looks good.

2020-03-25T16:18:22 #kisslinux oops

2020-03-25T16:19:57 #kisslinux BTW, dylanaraps, what are you using for k1ss.org email?

2020-03-25T16:20:07 #kisslinux Are you using some kind of paid service?

2020-03-25T16:21:53 #kisslinux protonmail

2020-03-25T16:22:00 #kisslinux Though I regret it

2020-03-25T16:22:18 #kisslinux I can't use mutt with protonmail without their software

2020-03-25T16:23:01 #kisslinux Ah oof.

2020-03-25T16:23:11 #kisslinux dylanaraps: You can check out https://github.com/emersion/hydroxide

2020-03-25T16:23:30 #kisslinux I used to use it when I used ProtonMail.

2020-03-25T16:23:35 #kisslinux Yes

2020-03-25T16:23:47 #kisslinux The problem is that I refuse to use additional software to get it working

2020-03-25T16:23:49 #kisslinux ;)

2020-03-25T16:23:52 #kisslinux :D

2020-03-25T16:23:56 #kisslinux Fair enough.

2020-03-25T16:24:03 #kisslinux If you want, I could host your email.

2020-03-25T16:24:07 #kisslinux I run my own mailserver.

2020-03-25T16:24:19 #kisslinux Thanks for the offer

2020-03-25T16:24:37 #kisslinux I'm paid up with ProtonMail for another 6 or so months though

2020-03-25T16:24:58 #kisslinux If you're still willing when my subscription expires, I'll ask then. :P

2020-03-25T16:25:05 #kisslinux Absolutely!

2020-03-25T16:25:18 #kisslinux Let me know, and I'll set you up.

2020-03-25T16:25:23 #kisslinux It's the least I can do. :)

2020-03-25T16:25:49 #kisslinux I should try and figure out a good onboarding process for new users.

2020-03-25T16:26:53 #kisslinux Will do

2020-03-25T16:43:59 #kisslinux Woohoo, msmtp works brilliantly.

2020-03-25T16:44:29 #kisslinux I absolutely love the config: https://termbin.com/ixir

2020-03-25T17:36:15 #kisslinux dylanaraps: have you tried aerc?

2020-03-25T17:36:22 #kisslinux Yes

2020-03-25T17:36:24 #kisslinux I don't like it

2020-03-25T17:36:54 #kisslinux I don't like anything which includes its own terminal emulator built in

2020-03-25T17:37:02 #kisslinux That's just insane

2020-03-25T17:37:18 #kisslinux true

2020-03-25T17:37:23 #kisslinux I found it very laggy

2020-03-25T17:38:05 #kisslinux btw, do you know any way to use protonmail website without js?

2020-03-25T17:38:20 #kisslinux It's hard to package ("properly") as well. https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/aerc/tree/master/go.mod#L3

2020-03-25T17:38:58 #kisslinux kiedtl: I don't think it'd be possible

2020-03-25T20:53:46 #kisslinux good evening

2020-03-25T21:54:50 #kisslinux Evening

2020-03-25T22:21:17 #kisslinux aloha!

2020-03-25T22:52:05 #kisslinux uhm.... haloa claudia02 !

2020-03-25T22:53:24 #kisslinux but what time does dylan araps sleep? at 21.00 p.m? the new frontier of POSIX ...

2020-03-25T22:53:46 #kisslinux hahaha tomorrow i will remember ... i can never talk to each other ... and it is 5 days hahaha

2020-03-25T22:54:39 #kisslinux wow i am an old man who makes the life of young people ...

2020-03-25T22:59:48 #kisslinux mps: did you get any further with KISS on the chromebook?

2020-03-25T23:02:59 #kisslinux i think necessary my new package for bind-utils ... lack of basic tools for *nix sys

2020-03-25T23:08:12 #kisslinux jedavies: no, but I didn't tried much. have a lot to work on $day_job these days

2020-03-25T23:08:51 #kisslinux I think I'm missing something about init, rc.conf maybe

2020-03-25T23:32:08 #kisslinux jedavies: I am trying a port of kiss to 32bit

2020-03-25T23:33:14 #kisslinux I have allready build m4, flex, bison, zlib and now gcc. but gcc fails at "configure-target-libgomp"

2020-03-25T23:33:36 #kisslinux my host system is alpine 32 bit

2020-03-25T23:34:28 #kisslinux claudia02: nice! I think someone else here was also interested in 32-bit KISS earlier

2020-03-25T23:35:20 #kisslinux y, just needed your hints to get started

2020-03-25T23:35:59 #kisslinux my flag for binutils 32bit is i686-linux-musl which works so far

2020-03-25T23:38:34 #kisslinux I have libgomp installed on alpine

2020-03-25T23:39:43 #kisslinux Post logs, I can take a look

2020-03-25T23:39:50 #kisslinux Did you see: https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-aarch64/tree/master/repo and https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-ppc64le/tree/master/repo

2020-03-25T23:40:12 #kisslinux Those were the changes I had to make for each platform. I'm guessing you'll be in a similar position.

2020-03-25T23:41:04 #kisslinux on it

2020-03-25T23:43:56 #kisslinux https://termbin.com/hs73

2020-03-25T23:44:22 #kisslinux y, I allready spyed at your builds

2020-03-25T23:45:07 #kisslinux Did you install the musl-dev package on alpine?

2020-03-25T23:45:27 #kisslinux yap

2020-03-25T23:45:49 #kisslinux I installed everything from here https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86/gcc

2020-03-25T23:46:06 #kisslinux + musl-dev

2020-03-25T23:46:31 #kisslinux and a alpine base dev package

2020-03-25T23:47:42 #kisslinux https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86/alpine-sdk

2020-03-25T23:48:16 #kisslinux So you have the file /usr/include/pthread.h on your system?

2020-03-25T23:48:51 #kisslinux yes

2020-03-25T23:49:11 #kisslinux alpine-sdk

2020-03-25T23:49:24 #kisslinux meta package

2020-03-25T23:49:50 #kisslinux yes its there

2020-03-25T23:51:37 #kisslinux i686-linux-musl or i686-alpine-linux-musl

2020-03-25T23:53:04 #kisslinux writing from head, maybe i586-alpine-linux-musl

2020-03-25T23:55:46 #kisslinux sry net went out

2020-03-25T23:56:01 #kisslinux Maybe forcing -I/usr/include or -lpthread flags would help, but something else is up here. Not familiar enough with alpine to say.

2020-03-25T23:58:03 #kisslinux mps what do you mean by that? google says 'i586-alpine-linux-musl' is a directory of binutils

2020-03-25T23:59:03 #kisslinux I don't have right now access to x86 so cant confirm