2020-02-09T03:18:32 #kisslinux question: config files in /etc/ , when they get updated with a new version, say with new or changed options from upstream, how does that work in a kiss system? Iirc it doesn't just overwrite them?
2020-02-09T05:20:53 #kisslinux adamantium: The /etc/ file is updated if the user hasn't modified the file (or if their modifiction matches the new file)
2020-02-09T05:21:01 #kisslinux Else it is named $file.new.
2020-02-09T06:13:31 #kisslinux dylanaraps: question about /etc/ files. how do they get handled by kiss
2020-02-09T06:13:43 #kisslinux I answered
2020-02-09T06:13:48 #kisslinux ah, will check log
2020-02-09T06:13:48 #kisslinux > adamantium: The /etc/ file is updated if the user hasn't modified the file (or if their modifiction matches the new file)
2020-02-09T06:14:04 #kisslinux does "install" juts do this for us by default?
2020-02-09T06:14:09 #kisslinux or is this a kiss thing
2020-02-09T06:14:32 #kisslinux It's a new feature
2020-02-09T06:14:48 #kisslinux Old behavior was to always silently skip updating /etc/ files if they existed.
2020-02-09T06:14:55 #kisslinux (already existed)
2020-02-09T06:15:02 #kisslinux Now we do a 3-way-handshake
2020-02-09T06:15:03 #kisslinux ok that makes sense
2020-02-09T06:15:10 #kisslinux the old behavior is definitely not good
2020-02-09T06:15:12 #kisslinux cool
2020-02-09T06:15:15 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T06:15:31 #kisslinux It's done in a backwards compatible way too
2020-02-09T06:15:37 #kisslinux one thing
2020-02-09T06:15:47 #kisslinux When the file is modified, I still want the new etc file. Where did it go
2020-02-09T06:15:53 #kisslinux New builds will have an etcsums file which stores the checksums of all /etc/ files.
2020-02-09T06:15:53 #kisslinux ;)
2020-02-09T06:15:59 #kisslinux $file.new
2020-02-09T06:16:02 #kisslinux perfect!
2020-02-09T06:16:07 #kisslinux so like arch, then
2020-02-09T06:16:17 #kisslinux The package manager will tell you about this when it happens
2020-02-09T06:16:40 #kisslinux Basically we check original checksum of current version, checksum in /etc and checksum in new version
2020-02-09T06:16:47 #kisslinux The 3 are compared
2020-02-09T06:17:30 #kisslinux ok. as long as we have a *.new file, sitting right there for me to search for using find, i'm a happy camper
2020-02-09T06:17:31 #kisslinux Depending on how the 3 match, we install the file as .new or overwrite it.
2020-02-09T06:17:39 #kisslinux adamantium: Yup
2020-02-09T06:17:41 #kisslinux That's the gist of it
2020-02-09T06:18:16 #kisslinux I was all worried about it today, lol
2020-02-09T06:18:20 #kisslinux I don't know why.
2020-02-09T06:18:25 #kisslinux When did you add this feature?
2020-02-09T06:18:32 #kisslinux 2-3 days ago iirc
2020-02-09T06:18:34 #kisslinux nice
2020-02-09T06:18:44 #kisslinux kiss seems about complete, then
2020-02-09T06:18:45 #kisslinux now
2020-02-09T06:19:35 #kisslinux my friend complains it handles deps too simplistically for his needs
2020-02-09T06:20:00 #kisslinux Does he mean not tracking versions?
2020-02-09T06:20:02 #kisslinux yes
2020-02-09T06:20:08 #kisslinux Thought so
2020-02-09T06:20:08 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T06:20:19 #kisslinux That's a mess I'd rather not deal with
2020-02-09T06:20:23 #kisslinux he said it's impossible to implement cleanly in shell
2020-02-09T06:20:27 #kisslinux a good resolver
2020-02-09T06:20:40 #kisslinux Our resolver is fine as-is
2020-02-09T06:20:51 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T06:20:53 #kisslinux right
2020-02-09T06:20:57 #kisslinux i told him to juts use overlays
2020-02-09T06:20:58 #kisslinux lmao
2020-02-09T06:21:01 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T06:21:17 #kisslinux Versioning dependencies is gross
2020-02-09T06:21:26 #kisslinux he said that's a workaround but would only work on a case by case
2020-02-09T06:21:30 #kisslinux ahhhhhhhh
2020-02-09T06:21:53 #kisslinux I'd rather ensure the system stay up to date
2020-02-09T06:22:03 #kisslinux his other complaint was the tarball requires root??? idk hes maybe paranoid on that
2020-02-09T06:22:12 #kisslinux To unpack, yeah
2020-02-09T06:22:20 #kisslinux (For the chroot)
2020-02-09T06:22:21 #kisslinux right
2020-02-09T06:22:31 #kisslinux It contains files/dirs with root permissions
2020-02-09T06:22:36 #kisslinux It's a mini-system...
2020-02-09T06:22:56 #kisslinux he actually is very good tho and taught me everything i know in the past. so I was hoping to drag him over here to help us. but just sharing his complaints now to you haha
2020-02-09T06:23:10 #kisslinux His complaints are wrong :^)
2020-02-09T06:23:19 #kisslinux yeah hes stuck in gentoo mindsent
2020-02-09T06:23:21 #kisslinux mindset
2020-02-09T06:23:33 #kisslinux he can have his ebuild hell then
2020-02-09T06:23:49 #kisslinux and broken second-class citizen musl ebuilds
2020-02-09T06:24:22 #kisslinux lol
2020-02-09T06:24:27 #kisslinux i speak truth on this
2020-02-09T06:24:31 #kisslinux have you tried musl gentoo before?
2020-02-09T06:24:45 #kisslinux and ebuilds mixing the metadata with the ebuild egggggg
2020-02-09T06:25:07 #kisslinux I've never used Gentoo :^)
2020-02-09T06:25:18 #kisslinux oh wow
2020-02-09T06:25:32 #kisslinux what source based distros have you tried before making kiss?
2020-02-09T06:25:33 #kisslinux I started KISS knowing nothing about this stuff
2020-02-09T06:25:36 #kisslinux None
2020-02-09T06:25:38 #kisslinux lmao
2020-02-09T06:25:50 #kisslinux that makes sense
2020-02-09T06:26:06 #kisslinux explains the kiss development process. one thing pops up after another like wackamole
2020-02-09T06:26:15 #kisslinux but it's turning out pretty good now !
2020-02-09T06:26:17 #kisslinux heh
2020-02-09T06:26:36 #kisslinux Had KISS installed on my laptop month 3 iirc
2020-02-09T06:26:43 #kisslinux The distros only been public for like two months xD
2020-02-09T06:26:45 #kisslinux oh
2020-02-09T06:26:53 #kisslinux i think 1 more thing
2020-02-09T06:26:55 #kisslinux Of course it's been whackamole
2020-02-09T06:27:14 #kisslinux we should reconsider targetting other arches
2020-02-09T06:27:17 #kisslinux dont kill me
2020-02-09T06:27:18 #kisslinux :D
2020-02-09T06:28:08 #kisslinux i wanna get a power9 talos pc someday ya know
2020-02-09T06:28:12 #kisslinux Nothing stops you
2020-02-09T06:28:14 #kisslinux See: https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-ppc64le
2020-02-09T06:28:18 #kisslinux i know
2020-02-09T06:28:23 #kisslinux Also: https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-aarch64
2020-02-09T06:28:32 #kisslinux but i'm saying the website says basically "we dont do that"
2020-02-09T06:28:38 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T06:28:41 #kisslinux it could be put another way perhaps........
2020-02-09T06:28:45 #kisslinux in other words.
2020-02-09T06:28:51 #kisslinux Better to be up front about it
2020-02-09T06:28:59 #kisslinux I'd rather not deal with it at all
2020-02-09T06:29:22 #kisslinux It's not that hard to maintain a repository for another Arch, see: https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-ppc64le/tree/master/repo/libelf
2020-02-09T06:29:38 #kisslinux Any package fixes can be made to singular files and the rest symlinks to the original
2020-02-09T06:30:22 #kisslinux cross-compilation is something I said "nope" to right at the start
2020-02-09T06:30:35 #kisslinux It's disgusting to implement and so very error prone
2020-02-09T06:30:45 #kisslinux makes it a "toy" to many
2020-02-09T06:30:51 #kisslinux That's fine
2020-02-09T06:30:52 #kisslinux if it can't be used in embedded officially
2020-02-09T06:31:15 #kisslinux So long as it can run on my machine I'm happy
2020-02-09T06:31:27 #kisslinux okie dokie
2020-02-09T06:31:42 #kisslinux I work on this for free remember ;)
2020-02-09T06:31:53 #kisslinux Right
2020-02-09T06:32:15 #kisslinux Hence the intentional limited scope
2020-02-09T06:32:17 #kisslinux I'm thinking it could gain more traction with an embedded community if we worked toward that, heck it could employ you perhaps
2020-02-09T06:32:28 #kisslinux people would send you hardware and stuff
2020-02-09T06:32:41 #kisslinux I won't work in technology
2020-02-09T06:32:44 #kisslinux This is my love
2020-02-09T06:33:01 #kisslinux I'd rather not turn it into work
2020-02-09T06:33:03 #kisslinux gotchya
2020-02-09T06:33:25 #kisslinux https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/0cda243d535f11e7c26b9182bc63e425deb5ba45
2020-02-09T06:33:30 #kisslinux This is how old KISS is btw
2020-02-09T06:33:31 #kisslinux do you have a day job or somehow just cruisin through life?
2020-02-09T06:34:04 #kisslinux I'm working on something on the side
2020-02-09T06:34:26 #kisslinux Not tech related but will cover everything and extra
2020-02-09T06:35:13 #kisslinux k
2020-02-09T06:35:44 #kisslinux I've paused it for the time being since I've been dealing with a myriad of sick cats and now a sick Grandma at home :P
2020-02-09T06:36:56 #kisslinux sorry
2020-02-09T06:41:19 #kisslinux dylanaraps: i wonder if it is possible to build everything static if you dont install X11 stuff
2020-02-09T06:41:23 #kisslinux do you know by chance?
2020-02-09T06:42:21 #kisslinux imlib2 is a no go
2020-02-09T06:42:27 #kisslinux Some other packages too
2020-02-09T06:42:33 #kisslinux The bulk of it should be fine though.
2020-02-09T06:42:40 #kisslinux Python is a tricky one for example
2020-02-09T06:46:10 #kisslinux what's your opinion of reproduceable pkg managers like nix
2020-02-09T06:46:27 #kisslinux Reproducible builds you mean?
2020-02-09T06:46:31 #kisslinux yea
2020-02-09T06:46:51 #kisslinux Great for a binary based distribution
2020-02-09T06:47:00 #kisslinux Doesn't fit a source based one though
2020-02-09T06:47:06 #kisslinux i feel like everyone is trying to solve this dependency problem and only static linking or hacks like nix actually address it
2020-02-09T06:47:37 #kisslinux Reproducible builds don't work if every user has different packages installed with different compiler flags, etc etc
2020-02-09T06:48:17 #kisslinux Also when the user modifies the package itself in some way (Adding their own patches, config.h, etc)
2020-02-09T06:48:34 #kisslinux we should market on the website that our base is static, and may be [your choice] of busybox/suckless/gnu
2020-02-09T06:49:09 #kisslinux it is a selling point
2020-02-09T06:49:13 #kisslinux I'm going to write a blanket point about choice
2020-02-09T06:49:26 #kisslinux Reminder: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html
2020-02-09T06:53:21 #kisslinux s/linux/fedora/g
2020-02-09T06:53:33 #kisslinux fixed his article
2020-02-09T06:53:51 #kisslinux No no
2020-02-09T06:53:52 #kisslinux It's Linux
2020-02-09T06:56:33 #kisslinux im saying that fedora/RHEL might not be about choice, according to him, he works there, but who is he to say on the whole about Linux. He commit the same falacy
2020-02-09T06:56:43 #kisslinux (as the people he was critisizing)
2020-02-09T06:56:58 #kisslinux Red Hat controls majority of the stack
2020-02-09T06:58:49 #kisslinux How much choice do you really have on a system running systemd, dbus, polkit, pam, pulseaudio, etc etc
2020-02-09T06:58:58 #kisslinux I'm talking about binary distributions here
2020-02-09T06:59:32 #kisslinux I'm not talking about which WM or music player you can install either. I'm talking about the lower level software
2020-02-09T06:59:49 #kisslinux im with you on this
2020-02-09T07:01:37 #kisslinux maybe enterprise is not about choice is a better way to put things
2020-02-09T07:01:42 #kisslinux is what i'm driving at
2020-02-09T07:04:14 #kisslinux Power went out
2020-02-09T07:04:42 #kisslinux It's more about proprietary software running on all distributions
2020-02-09T07:04:51 #kisslinux Linux needs to become a singular "platform"
2020-02-09T07:04:57 #kisslinux Think Windows or MacOS here
2020-02-09T07:06:12 #kisslinux a very good point
2020-02-09T07:10:53 #kisslinux Wifi got a little wonky
2020-02-09T07:11:01 #kisslinux Should be good now
2020-02-09T07:13:18 #kisslinux Wayland further makes this true if you look at GNOME (also see their blog posts). As every Wayland "compositor" must implement protocol extensions (GNOME have their own, KDE theirs, etc) you're looking at platforms already.
2020-02-09T07:13:26 #kisslinux Hard to write something to work on all of Wayland
2020-02-09T07:13:55 #kisslinux It's just a protocol after all ;)
2020-02-09T07:23:36 #kisslinux (There's a push to allow software developers to also become distributors of software)
2020-02-09T07:23:51 #kisslinux (Using fragmentation as the underlying issue)
2020-02-09T07:24:14 #kisslinux (Pair this with the push to remove the need for terminal usage)
2020-02-09T07:24:26 #kisslinux And... we have paid app stores!
2020-02-09T07:24:28 #kisslinux https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/appcenter-for-everyone/#/
2020-02-09T07:24:33 #kisslinux Appcenter for everyone!
2020-02-09T07:49:37 #kisslinux abandon all hope, ye who enter here basically
2020-02-09T07:50:38 #kisslinux :^)
2020-02-09T07:51:13 #kisslinux look at that lts arch libre distro, what it called
2020-02-09T07:51:20 #kisslinux they're moving towards openbsd kernel
2020-02-09T07:51:47 #kisslinux hyperbola!
2020-02-09T07:52:07 #kisslinux https://www.hyperbola.info/
2020-02-09T07:52:12 #kisslinux I don't think that's a solution to the problem
2020-02-09T07:52:22 #kisslinux https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-roadmap/
2020-02-09T07:52:30 #kisslinux I don't think this will ever work either
2020-02-09T07:52:31 #kisslinux Due to the Linux kernel rapidly proceeding down an unstable path, we are planning on implementing a completely new OS derived from several BSD implementations.
2020-02-09T07:52:43 #kisslinux It's a lot of work
2020-02-09T07:53:00 #kisslinux Their dealing with OpenBSD upstream will be interesting too
2020-02-09T07:53:06 #kisslinux dealings*
2020-02-09T07:53:13 #kisslinux ya why not just move to openbsd
2020-02-09T07:53:15 #kisslinux that'
2020-02-09T07:53:19 #kisslinux that's what i'd do
2020-02-09T07:53:50 #kisslinux For instance, them swapping to Xenocara over Xorg makes no real sense
2020-02-09T07:54:13 #kisslinux Xenocara is just Xorg with a different build system and some OpenBSD related change
2020-02-09T07:54:16 #kisslinux they've still yet to figure out how to remove polkit
2020-02-09T07:54:18 #kisslinux changes*
2020-02-09T07:54:31 #kisslinux They just pull from Xorg upstream mostly...
2020-02-09T07:54:58 #kisslinux OpenBSD downloads firmware blobs on first boot fyi.
2020-02-09T07:54:59 #kisslinux i mean dbus. https://www.hyperbola.info/todo/dbus-mitigation/
2020-02-09T07:55:04 #kisslinux Hardware support isn't good either
2020-02-09T07:55:52 #kisslinux deblobbed kernels suck unless you buy the perfect 15 year old hardware
2020-02-09T07:56:01 #kisslinux It's far easier to start from scratch than to try and remove everything from a "done" distribution
2020-02-09T07:56:11 #kisslinux The issue is that it's automated and automatic
2020-02-09T07:56:46 #kisslinux Also, bye bye bluetooth full stop on OpenBSD (KISS doesn't support bluetooth either though all you have to do is install dbus)
2020-02-09T07:57:05 #kisslinux It's a weird change to me. (Swapping to OpenBSD's kernel)
2020-02-09T07:57:12 #kisslinux I doubt it'll ever be done
2020-02-09T07:57:12 #kisslinux knowing me i will package dbus polkit and systemd for you
2020-02-09T07:57:16 #kisslinux just kiddin
2020-02-09T07:57:23 #kisslinux OpenBSD is very tied to... OpenBSD
2020-02-09T07:57:47 #kisslinux but kiss is a really cool concept, that it's not too difficult to unkiss your machine if you want
2020-02-09T07:58:03 #kisslinux It's different to Linux where the kernel is detached from userspace
2020-02-09T07:58:18 #kisslinux Development is by different parties on both sides (most of the time)
2020-02-09T07:58:28 #kisslinux OpenBSD has the same developers working on both
2020-02-09T07:58:31 #kisslinux Pros and cons here
2020-02-09T07:58:34 #kisslinux right
2020-02-09T07:58:41 #kisslinux i've played a good deal with freebsd and some openbsd
2020-02-09T07:58:44 #kisslinux But in terms of ripping out its kernel... Good luck
2020-02-09T07:59:10 #kisslinux yeah! even kfreebsd on debian failed
2020-02-09T07:59:26 #kisslinux and they're going to do it with openbsd 0.o
2020-02-09T07:59:56 #kisslinux i mean i hope they pull it off..................
2020-02-09T08:00:12 #kisslinux But history shows these ambitious ideas fail small fringe distros
2020-02-09T08:00:38 #kisslinux Yup
2020-02-09T08:01:09 #kisslinux i would be angry if i was tasked with replacing a linux kernel with the openbsd one
2020-02-09T08:02:23 #kisslinux i would rather play with something like minix or haiku
2020-02-09T08:02:36 #kisslinux that sounds exciting
2020-02-09T08:03:10 #kisslinux I wanted a Linux distribution where the stack wouldn't disappear below my feet
2020-02-09T08:04:01 #kisslinux I didn't want to one day wake up to find I'm now using pipewire for example
2020-02-09T08:04:13 #kisslinux lol
2020-02-09T08:04:17 #kisslinux (Pipewire is set to replace Pulseaudio...)
2020-02-09T08:04:20 #kisslinux right
2020-02-09T08:04:25 #kisslinux Because we need to change things again
2020-02-09T08:04:41 #kisslinux I'm sure it'll be a smooth and 100% error free process
2020-02-09T08:04:58 #kisslinux But it's OK! Pipewire can run on top of Pulseaudio
2020-02-09T08:05:04 #kisslinux Which runs on top of ALSA
2020-02-09T08:05:14 #kisslinux for real?
2020-02-09T08:05:14 #kisslinux Nothing can go wrong
2020-02-09T08:05:16 #kisslinux Yes
2020-02-09T08:05:23 #kisslinux pipewire will run on pulse?????????/
2020-02-09T08:07:51 #kisslinux https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/blob/c63f0ed562ac8fe991a2ff6e4d58772a54290b55/doc/pulseaudio.md
2020-02-09T08:07:54 #kisslinux Some info here
2020-02-09T08:08:04 #kisslinux Let me find the source I'm talking about
2020-02-09T08:08:52 #kisslinux This is good reading too: https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/blob/c63f0ed562ac8fe991a2ff6e4d58772a54290b55/doc/design.txt#L44
2020-02-09T08:11:23 #kisslinux There we go: https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/blob/e1e93e5a88119f49ac5364d2cc023dbe42c18240/meson_options.txt#L21-L32
2020-02-09T08:12:23 #kisslinux You can probably add JACK to the audio stack too
2020-02-09T08:12:24 #kisslinux looking
2020-02-09T08:12:35 #kisslinux ALSA -> JACK -> Pulseaudio -> Pipewire
2020-02-09T08:12:46 #kisslinux sndio somewhere doesn't seem possible :(
2020-02-09T08:13:01 #kisslinux dylanaraps2: wait a minute, back on the other topic, so appcenter devs want us to contribute to them so they can meetup IRL? Because they can't dev this amazing idea over the internet like literally everybody else in OSS?
2020-02-09T08:13:14 #kisslinux Yes
2020-02-09T08:13:22 #kisslinux For a week long "sprint"
2020-02-09T08:13:39 #kisslinux it's a fail idea from the start then
2020-02-09T08:13:40 #kisslinux They also want to bundle the payments system into each flatpak so you get a dialog asking for $$$ on open
2020-02-09T08:14:01 #kisslinux lol
2020-02-09T08:14:24 #kisslinux Linux really needed the Windows workflow for downloading software...
2020-02-09T08:14:43 #kisslinux the money is in enterprise support not people like us (obviously we are cheap skates on linux for a hobby, many of us)
2020-02-09T08:14:58 #kisslinux Google "app name" -> Go to website (is it the right one?) -> Download executable -> Run it
2020-02-09T08:15:03 #kisslinux What could go wrong?
2020-02-09T08:15:15 #kisslinux https://flatkill.org/
2020-02-09T08:15:32 #kisslinux And each "app" bundles its dependencies! (Sound familiar?)
2020-02-09T08:16:30 #kisslinux I'll just twiddle my thumbs over here on KISS :^)
2020-02-09T08:20:21 #kisslinux can i specify the branch of a -git build
2020-02-09T08:20:34 #kisslinux i have a package in mind where i will need to
2020-02-09T08:20:38 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T08:20:46 #kisslinux #branch
2020-02-09T08:20:51 #kisslinux Instead of commit
2020-02-09T08:21:09 #kisslinux wait, in the source file right?
2020-02-09T08:21:13 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T08:21:17 #kisslinux should work
2020-02-09T08:21:28 #kisslinux As everything after '#' is passed to 'git checkout'
2020-02-09T08:21:32 #kisslinux git+https://github...#testing
2020-02-09T08:21:34 #kisslinux or what you?
2020-02-09T08:21:36 #kisslinux Yup
2020-02-09T08:21:50 #kisslinux ok
2020-02-09T08:22:15 #kisslinux time for an emacs-git package then, tracking 27
2020-02-09T08:22:51 #kisslinux they introduced some json functions for better lsp support
2020-02-09T08:23:02 #kisslinux i dont understand the technical details, but yeah
2020-02-09T08:23:16 #kisslinux heh
2020-02-09T08:23:50 #kisslinux they also added a new 'pdumper'
2020-02-09T08:24:16 #kisslinux when used, it will make emacs startup times for people with bloated setups (10+seconds loading) to less than a second
2020-02-09T08:24:35 #kisslinux i have heard
2020-02-09T08:24:46 #kisslinux Nice
2020-02-09T08:28:05 #kisslinux i wonder if anyone has used kiss in "production" yet
2020-02-09T08:28:40 #kisslinux Good question
2020-02-09T08:29:17 #kisslinux kinda a scary thought
2020-02-09T08:29:21 #kisslinux I don't even know how many users there are
2020-02-09T08:29:46 #kisslinux There's no analytics of any kind anywhere (minus whatever GitHub does)
2020-02-09T08:30:14 #kisslinux I only know based on whoever tells me they're using it
2020-02-09T08:30:16 #kisslinux i have an idea
2020-02-09T08:30:27 #kisslinux you could host the chroot tarballs with a github repo
2020-02-09T08:30:32 #kisslinux then it'll track your downloads
2020-02-09T08:30:33 #kisslinux Don't get me wrong, this is a good thing
2020-02-09T08:31:12 #kisslinux we'd all like to know how well it is doing
2020-02-09T08:31:21 #kisslinux https://somsubhra.com/github-release-stats/?username=kisslinux&repository=repo
2020-02-09T08:31:29 #kisslinux There's stats for the tarballs here
2020-02-09T08:32:11 #kisslinux The tarball from the 21/01/2020 has 528 downloads
2020-02-09T08:33:00 #kisslinux Hehe, people are skippping the gpg step
2020-02-09T08:33:08 #kisslinux And checksums
2020-02-09T08:33:12 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T08:33:41 #kisslinux gpg took me like 2 years to learn
2020-02-09T08:33:45 #kisslinux i dont blame people.
2020-02-09T08:34:00 #kisslinux I don't think anyone "knows" gpg
2020-02-09T08:34:09 #kisslinux "let's make encryption as complicated as possible so that nobody will use it!"
2020-02-09T08:34:57 #kisslinux See: https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/signify
2020-02-09T08:37:43 #kisslinux cool
2020-02-09T08:37:48 #kisslinux can it replace gpg
2020-02-09T08:37:58 #kisslinux Not in KISS
2020-02-09T08:38:10 #kisslinux ok good because i spent 2 years figuring out gpg - long live gpg
2020-02-09T08:38:36 #kisslinux ;-)
2020-02-09T08:38:45 #kisslinux KISS' signature verification didn't require a single line of extra code :P
2020-02-09T08:38:57 #kisslinux Very apt
2020-02-09T08:39:11 #kisslinux ya. i had problems with it before, havent tried recently
2020-02-09T08:39:23 #kisslinux Should be fixed as of latest kiss release
2020-02-09T08:39:27 #kisslinux i think environment related with sudo / not using sudo / running as root vs running as regular user
2020-02-09T08:39:38 #kisslinux Turns out 'git pull' causes issues with it
2020-02-09T08:39:42 #kisslinux i had to manually go in to /var/db to repo and manually pull to fix it
2020-02-09T08:39:48 #kisslinux So I swapped back to 'git fetch + git merge'
2020-02-09T08:40:08 #kisslinux You can move that repo to ~ if you like
2020-02-09T08:40:16 #kisslinux Or just 'git clone' it there and update '$KISS_PATH'
2020-02-09T08:40:31 #kisslinux Mine is set to '~/projects/kiss/bla' for example
2020-02-09T08:40:45 #kisslinux oh that makes a lot of sense
2020-02-09T08:40:58 #kisslinux You're not tied to /var/db/kiss/repo
2020-02-09T08:41:10 #kisslinux It's just the default spot
2020-02-09T08:42:06 #kisslinux i think it'd be cool to have an audit feature
2020-02-09T08:42:21 #kisslinux basically some kind of fetch and view the diffs of updated build files and sources
2020-02-09T08:42:30 #kisslinux before pulling it all in and installing
2020-02-09T08:42:40 #kisslinux You can just skip 'kiss u' and do it yourself. Or write a simple script
2020-02-09T08:42:43 #kisslinux i know
2020-02-09T08:42:49 #kisslinux I'm just thinking out loud
2020-02-09T08:43:16 #kisslinux Could also just be 'KISS_AUDIT=1' then it'll run 'git diff'
2020-02-09T08:43:23 #kisslinux so git fetch and git merge is the official way then, to update, not git pull?
2020-02-09T08:44:45 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T08:44:53 #kisslinux There's subtle differences apparently
2020-02-09T08:45:13 #kisslinux Signature verification is iffy with git pull for whatever reason
2020-02-09T08:45:15 #kisslinux hmm
2020-02-09T08:45:25 #kisslinux good to know then
2020-02-09T08:45:27 #kisslinux Works fine with git fetch and git merge
2020-02-09T08:46:01 #kisslinux It might make more sense to run 'git diff' always on 'kiss u'
2020-02-09T08:46:09 #kisslinux And have an ENVAR to opt out
2020-02-09T08:46:11 #kisslinux Dunno
2020-02-09T08:46:13 #kisslinux speaking of git, what about using git repo on rootfs
2020-02-09T08:46:24 #kisslinux would rollbacks be possible that way
2020-02-09T08:46:47 #kisslinux That'd be weird and error prone I'd say
2020-02-09T08:46:54 #kisslinux i wonder
2020-02-09T08:46:58 #kisslinux git + binary files doesn't scale well
2020-02-09T08:47:22 #kisslinux kiss is pretty small though
2020-02-09T08:47:29 #kisslinux i bet it could be possible
2020-02-09T08:47:47 #kisslinux just ignore proc,dev,sys,mnt, etc
2020-02-09T08:47:52 #kisslinux etcetera
2020-02-09T08:48:34 #kisslinux who is using btrfs, i noticed someone contributed it
2020-02-09T08:50:05 #kisslinux I maintain it now though I'd rather remove it
2020-02-09T08:50:12 #kisslinux Forgot who contributed it
2020-02-09T08:50:15 #kisslinux yep
2020-02-09T08:50:20 #kisslinux it's not kiss :P
2020-02-09T09:09:21 #kisslinux kiss is small, the binary files aren't
2020-02-09T09:09:32 #kisslinux ^
2020-02-09T09:17:50 #kisslinux adamantium: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/pull/110/files
2020-02-09T09:26:45 #kisslinux dylanaraps2: I love it. This is something we should really encourage everybody to be doing. It's taking extreme ownership of the system and protecting everybody, and it also is another selling point for kiss, the system is small enough to be potentially auditable by a single person
2020-02-09T09:27:51 #kisslinux I have a friend at my old job who used debian, I told him how I've tried most all of the distros over the years, including a lot of small ones, and his first question was "how do you know it is safe, though?"
2020-02-09T09:37:27 #kisslinux Yup
2020-02-09T09:37:36 #kisslinux Very hard to do with a big distribution
2020-02-09T09:42:26 #kisslinux adamantium: pushed KISS_AUDIT
2020-02-09T09:42:28 #kisslinux :D
2020-02-09T09:43:15 #kisslinux hah
2020-02-09T09:43:46 #kisslinux * adamantium wonders what other ideas are in the back of his head
2020-02-09T09:45:11 #kisslinux We're still somehow at > 665 LOC
2020-02-09T09:46:55 #kisslinux (> doesn't mean greater than here. That's an oops on my part)
2020-02-09T09:47:04 #kisslinux (Ignore it)
2020-02-09T09:49:20 #kisslinux * adamantium ignores it
2020-02-09T09:49:38 #kisslinux Can we make kiss check email
2020-02-09T09:49:47 #kisslinux Because I friggin hate this emacs email client I use
2020-02-09T09:54:03 #kisslinux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski
2020-02-09T09:54:07 #kisslinux > Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.
2020-02-09T09:54:47 #kisslinux Very apt lol
2020-02-09T09:57:52 #kisslinux yup
2020-02-09T10:15:37 #kisslinux I have found people's reaction to kiss very interesting
2020-02-09T10:15:56 #kisslinux I feel like a lot of people who should like kiss, be drawn to it, or excited by it, turn up their nose
2020-02-09T10:19:51 #kisslinux oh dylanaraps2 , on the install guide, probably wanna have the user created earlier in the process now. also echo trusted-key 0x46d62dd9f1de636e >> /root/.gnupg/gpg.conf is probably not needed anymore, or does it still use root's for the gpg verification?
2020-02-09T10:25:14 #kisslinux adamantium: root is still used for pulls in /var so it is needed
2020-02-09T10:25:48 #kisslinux Though the user could easily change it to ~
2020-02-09T10:26:13 #kisslinux k
2020-02-09T10:26:24 #kisslinux so it is smart enough to work both ways huh
2020-02-09T10:26:54 #kisslinux dumb enough I'd say
2020-02-09T10:27:04 #kisslinux kiss's package manager is very dumb about things
2020-02-09T10:27:07 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T10:27:25 #kisslinux But dumb is good
2020-02-09T10:27:50 #kisslinux lol
2020-02-09T10:27:55 #kisslinux fair point
2020-02-09T10:28:15 #kisslinux By dumb I mean a combination of simplicity with smart/thought input by the user
2020-02-09T10:28:30 #kisslinux thoughtful*
2020-02-09T10:29:12 #kisslinux I would like to make a lot of things to be dumber
2020-02-09T10:29:33 #kisslinux It doesn't assume the user has no brain basically ;)
2020-02-09T10:30:39 #kisslinux Right
2020-02-09T10:31:43 #kisslinux For those interested in the shell: https://www.vidarholen.net/contents/blog/?p=859
2020-02-09T10:41:34 #kisslinux "JSVM" he probably isn't talking about the Scalable Video Coding codec
2020-02-09T11:14:51 #kisslinux Good morning. Still on it. I have (re)compiled the latest stable kernel, 5.5.2.
2020-02-09T11:16:01 #kisslinux I followed the Gentoo wiki. As my graphics card is a mullins series, I added the radeon firmware listed there.
2020-02-09T11:16:59 #kisslinux Still no happiness. tty starts OK, better resolution than in other intents.
2020-02-09T11:17:20 #kisslinux But when I try to startx, it fails. Logs: https://pastebin.com/XzJ5eq8f
2020-02-09T11:18:15 #kisslinux I'm clueless. Any ideas on how to keep debugging this would be appreciated.
2020-02-09T11:25:00 #kisslinux i have an amd card altius, I had a lot of trouble trying to build in and ended up using modules for it
2020-02-09T11:25:43 #kisslinux I pretty much just did make defconfig with amdgpu enabled as a module, then i type in "modprobe amdgpu", (can be put in init script later) ...
2020-02-09T11:25:57 #kisslinux then also make sure xf86-video-amdgpu is installed
2020-02-09T11:26:35 #kisslinux and i copied entire directory of firmware to /lib/firmware keeping the structure exact as it was
2020-02-09T11:26:43 #kisslinux (can be trimmed down later)
2020-02-09T11:27:02 #kisslinux Hope something in there might help or give an idea
2020-02-09T11:27:29 #kisslinux Thank you, I have more clues now. I have copied all firmware into /lib/firmware too, but I built radeon as backed in, not module.
2020-02-09T11:28:00 #kisslinux I could try to recompile, and modprobing modules later. Whatever works! ;)
2020-02-09T11:28:45 #kisslinux altius in your case i think you might just need to install a font
2020-02-09T11:28:50 #kisslinux try that first
2020-02-09T11:28:52 #kisslinux lol
2020-02-09T11:29:31 #kisslinux we have liberation fonts and unifont
2020-02-09T11:29:41 #kisslinux I am almost sure I had already installed liberation-fonts, as per the original instructions. I could check, just in case. I'm kind of a mess. :P
2020-02-09T11:29:58 #kisslinux adamantium: The issue is /dev/dri being empty.
2020-02-09T11:30:12 #kisslinux k
2020-02-09T11:30:14 #kisslinux Kernel isn't populating /dev/dri as it isn't detecting the GPU
2020-02-09T11:30:50 #kisslinux Hi again, Dylan. I think not this time. I recompiled and had another errors. Here, logs: https://pastebin.com/XzJ5eq8f
2020-02-09T11:32:19 #kisslinux altius: I see
2020-02-09T11:32:31 #kisslinux Try: 'chmod +s /usr/bin/Xorg' as root.
2020-02-09T11:33:08 #kisslinux Will do, thanks. I'll be back.
2020-02-09T11:33:09 #kisslinux adamantium: My bad :P
2020-02-09T11:33:16 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T11:33:26 #kisslinux I wasn't gonna question, but I was was wondering
2020-02-09T11:33:27 #kisslinux lol
2020-02-09T11:33:45 #kisslinux It seems as though the -ati video driver has trouble with non-root (non-suid) Xorg. :(
2020-02-09T11:34:07 #kisslinux cant he use amdgpu
2020-02-09T11:34:13 #kisslinux No idea
2020-02-09T11:34:19 #kisslinux If his GPU supports it, yeah
2020-02-09T11:35:00 #kisslinux I could, I think. For what I have read in Arch wiki or elsewhere, my graphics card could -theoretically- run
2020-02-09T11:35:13 #kisslinux with amdgpu or ati.
2020-02-09T11:35:18 #kisslinux ooo
2020-02-09T11:35:20 #kisslinux There's a patch!
2020-02-09T11:35:58 #kisslinux A patch?
2020-02-09T11:36:03 #kisslinux if you can choose, choose amdgpu
2020-02-09T11:36:04 #kisslinux :)
2020-02-09T11:36:19 #kisslinux Aw, it's only for Xwayland
2020-02-09T11:36:28 #kisslinux and dont enable both ati stuff AND amdgpu stuff in the kernel, pick either or
2020-02-09T11:36:30 #kisslinux I'll port our modesetting driver patch instead
2020-02-09T11:39:02 #kisslinux Rebooting now. Will check fonts and what Dylan told me. Crossing fingers (couple days doing that, yes, but it's kiss or bust!) XD
2020-02-09T11:40:59 #kisslinux altius45: you'll get it
2020-02-09T11:41:46 #kisslinux I'm stubborn as a mule. I came from noob to Arch to Void.
2020-02-09T11:42:42 #kisslinux Now I'm conquering this land. People here do excellent work, someone has to appreciate it. :)
2020-02-09T11:43:39 #kisslinux Heh
2020-02-09T11:45:16 #kisslinux altius45: Pushed -ati with rootless xorg patch. :)
2020-02-09T11:46:02 #kisslinux You can do 'chmod -s /usr/bin/Xorg' once you update xf86-video-ati
2020-02-09T11:46:15 #kisslinux https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/0cbdf327f593b3bf84f3d68b9e832ff06335e433
2020-02-09T11:46:41 #kisslinux So I:
2020-02-09T11:47:12 #kisslinux - Update 'xf86-video-ati'
2020-02-09T11:47:14 #kisslinux kiss b xf86-video-ati
2020-02-09T11:47:19 #kisslinux - 'chmod -s /usr/bin/Xorg'
2020-02-09T11:47:22 #kisslinux Then kiss i
2020-02-09T11:47:27 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T11:47:36 #kisslinux And then the chmod?
2020-02-09T11:47:46 #kisslinux Your version should be 19.1.0 2
2020-02-09T11:47:48 #kisslinux Yup
2020-02-09T11:47:56 #kisslinux Then it should all "just work"
2020-02-09T11:48:12 #kisslinux Doing this!
2020-02-09T11:53:51 #kisslinux Do I need to reboot? Still no x...
2020-02-09T11:54:28 #kisslinux Yes
2020-02-09T11:54:36 #kisslinux On it
2020-02-09T11:54:40 #kisslinux Send a log if it still doesn't work too
2020-02-09T11:54:59 #kisslinux OK, will do
2020-02-09T12:00:42 #kisslinux Sigh. No luck. And I just looked into ~.local/share/xorg, and the Xorg.0log is the same I posted before, no new log is generated or is elsewhere (?)
2020-02-09T12:01:00 #kisslinux What does 'kiss l xf86-video-ati' output?
2020-02-09T12:01:46 #kisslinux Will reboot again and will tell. I come back to MX each time I have to search for logs, because
2020-02-09T12:02:02 #kisslinux Ah
2020-02-09T12:02:04 #kisslinux Gotcha
2020-02-09T12:02:30 #kisslinux still didn't workaround my keyboard layout. If vi is terrible as it is (sorry!), try it with all the symbols elsewhere. XD
2020-02-09T12:03:10 #kisslinux lol
2020-02-09T12:03:45 #kisslinux Pure whack-a-symbol. A nightmare really. XD
2020-02-09T12:03:55 #kisslinux Coming back in a little while
2020-02-09T12:07:02 #kisslinux Whop! Almost. Rebooted and, just for the lols, tried sudo startx
2020-02-09T12:08:07 #kisslinux Now says something good and "unable to run program xterm"
2020-02-09T12:09:03 #kisslinux And closes, of course. So what, is xterm in repo, do I try to build it?
2020-02-09T12:09:49 #kisslinux It's because you ran it with 'sudo'
2020-02-09T12:10:00 #kisslinux Default '.xinitrc' for root runs 'xterm'.
2020-02-09T12:10:08 #kisslinux Does it work as a normal user?
2020-02-09T12:10:36 #kisslinux Also: 'kiss l xf86-video-ati'??
2020-02-09T12:10:43 #kisslinux Nope. Closes same as always
2020-02-09T12:11:16 #kisslinux The trouble is there. Still version 19.1.0.1
2020-02-09T12:11:37 #kisslinux That's the wrong version
2020-02-09T12:11:46 #kisslinux You need to run kiss u
2020-02-09T12:11:47 #kisslinux Yep
2020-02-09T12:11:59 #kisslinux Then... It should work :P
2020-02-09T12:12:09 #kisslinux Will do
2020-02-09T12:14:17 #kisslinux fatal: commit 0cbdf32 does not have a GPG signature
2020-02-09T12:15:08 #kisslinux Grr...
2020-02-09T12:15:23 #kisslinux Sorry :(
2020-02-09T12:15:26 #kisslinux It's signed https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commits/master
2020-02-09T12:15:29 #kisslinux All good :P
2020-02-09T12:15:52 #kisslinux Retrying then, thanks!
2020-02-09T12:16:45 #kisslinux Same. :(
2020-02-09T12:17:00 #kisslinux Even with 19.1.0 2?
2020-02-09T12:17:08 #kisslinux Tried rebooting?
2020-02-09T12:17:56 #kisslinux No, I mean same error trying to update
2020-02-09T12:18:00 #kisslinux Oh
2020-02-09T12:18:18 #kisslinux What kiss version do you have?
2020-02-09T12:18:20 #kisslinux (kiss v)
2020-02-09T12:19:05 #kisslinux 1.2.2
2020-02-09T12:19:23 #kisslinux Ah! I fixed the signature error in a newer version.
2020-02-09T12:19:45 #kisslinux Disable signing, run 'kiss u' and then enabled it again.
2020-02-09T12:20:08 #kisslinux 'cd /var/db/kiss/repo'
2020-02-09T12:20:11 #kisslinux 'git config merge.verifySignatures false'
2020-02-09T12:20:14 #kisslinux 'kiss u'
2020-02-09T12:20:19 #kisslinux 'git config merge.verifySignatures true'
2020-02-09T12:20:42 #kisslinux On it
2020-02-09T12:23:18 #kisslinux So far so good. I've seen ATI driver in the build.
2020-02-09T12:23:24 #kisslinux :D
2020-02-09T12:24:06 #kisslinux My machine is not quite bleeding edge, say, so perhaps this will take a while. XD
2020-02-09T12:24:38 #kisslinux dylanaraps2, do you have an updated doas.conf for the latest kiss changes?
2020-02-09T12:25:40 #kisslinux aarng: I'll push one in a sec
2020-02-09T12:25:56 #kisslinux nice, thanks
2020-02-09T12:28:38 #kisslinux May not be possible. Will push a package manager update to split the 'git' command in 3 for doas.
2020-02-09T12:29:28 #kisslinux yeah, I was wondering about the dynamic logname
2020-02-09T12:29:40 #kisslinux Give me 5
2020-02-09T12:30:21 #kisslinux no rush
2020-02-09T12:39:39 #kisslinux aarng: Done
2020-02-09T12:39:58 #kisslinux nicu, going to check it out
2020-02-09T12:41:44 #kisslinux yap, this is perfect
2020-02-09T12:41:47 #kisslinux ty
2020-02-09T12:44:56 #kisslinux np
2020-02-09T13:58:18 #kisslinux /join
2020-02-09T14:13:28 #kisslinux Hi again. It took its time.
2020-02-09T14:13:47 #kisslinux All good
2020-02-09T14:14:03 #kisslinux Did kiss u and the chmod. Still no luck. :(
2020-02-09T14:14:32 #kisslinux Same error?
2020-02-09T14:14:43 #kisslinux 'kiss l xf86-video-ati' shows 19.1.0 2?
2020-02-09T14:15:33 #kisslinux It doesn't! Something to do after kiss u?
2020-02-09T14:15:47 #kisslinux Still 0.1
2020-02-09T14:16:21 #kisslinux 'cd $(kiss s xf86-video-ati) && cat version'
2020-02-09T14:16:37 #kisslinux This will tell me the version that will be built with 'kiss b'
2020-02-09T14:21:46 #kisslinux 19.1.0.2 (?) Do I try kiss b and kiss i xf86-video-ati?
2020-02-09T14:22:21 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T14:22:54 #kisslinux On it
2020-02-09T14:27:17 #kisslinux Oh please lemme enjoy this moment: I'm into x! sowm+st working already!!!
2020-02-09T14:27:49 #kisslinux :D
2020-02-09T14:27:52 #kisslinux Oh how beautiful is your plain black screen. XD
2020-02-09T14:28:20 #kisslinux How to thank you, Dylan? Dunno what to say.
2020-02-09T14:29:02 #kisslinux No problem :)
2020-02-09T14:30:04 #kisslinux You've been great! Now I'm going to workaround keyboard, add contrib repo, put some apps and try to look a little nicer (wallpaper at least)
2020-02-09T14:30:46 #kisslinux As I haven't another way of giving thanks, remember that my
2020-02-09T14:31:24 #kisslinux translation capabilities are yours, ping me anytime and I'll be on it
2020-02-09T14:31:41 #kisslinux Yup, I'll keep it in mind :)
2020-02-09T14:31:44 #kisslinux Thanks
2020-02-09T14:32:15 #kisslinux Plus, I'm sure I'll turn back for more advice. I still got some minor doubts, but I
2020-02-09T14:32:40 #kisslinux Have abused of your patience more than enough today. :)
2020-02-09T14:33:48 #kisslinux Thank you again! Watches a b/w term on a black screen in awe
2020-02-09T14:34:39 #kisslinux Heh
2020-02-09T14:39:03 #kisslinux I'm glad this ended with success
2020-02-09T14:39:40 #kisslinux I just fixed this: https://imgur.com/a/XMJhDBF
2020-02-09T14:39:48 #kisslinux (Posted on the subreddit)
2020-02-09T14:40:07 #kisslinux Turns out our GCC change to fix '-static -pie' broke Grub
2020-02-09T15:13:44 #kisslinux https://old.reddit.com/r/kisslinux/comments/f19jpc/can_i_have_some_kiss_show_me_your_kiss_desktop/
2020-02-09T17:32:10 #kisslinux https://getkiss.org/blog/20200209a
2020-02-09T17:32:18 #kisslinux > This week in KISS (#10)
2020-02-09T17:42:20 #kisslinux 10/10
2020-02-09T17:42:47 #kisslinux My favourite part of these posts are the /r/linux comments
2020-02-09T17:43:03 #kisslinux https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/f1bkri/this_week_in_kiss_linux_10/
2020-02-09T17:43:07 #kisslinux Watch this space
2020-02-09T17:43:43 #kisslinux https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/eqllsf/this_week_in_kiss_linux_7/
2020-02-09T17:44:07 #kisslinux Aw, all of 10/10 comments are deleted
2020-02-09T17:45:18 #kisslinux these people are wild
2020-02-09T17:49:32 #kisslinux This is gold from /r/linux
2020-02-09T17:49:33 #kisslinux > Ok, what’s your point. You have have musl and libc on a system. Not to mention the developer of kids is a outspoken anti systemd fud spreader.
2020-02-09T17:53:59 #kisslinux fuck you dylan I can't believe you'd develop kids that's sick :(
2020-02-09T17:54:39 #kisslinux I spread systemd fud on my toast in the morning
2020-02-09T17:54:40 #kisslinux yum
2020-02-09T18:08:05 #kisslinux you: fudspreading garbage
2020-02-09T18:08:13 #kisslinux me, an intellectual: I love these amazon ads in my desktop manager
2020-02-09T18:09:38 #kisslinux I'm missing out on sweet deals :(
2020-02-09T19:04:12 #kisslinux dylanaraps you on Dylan?
2020-02-09T19:04:45 #kisslinux ----> Commit eecc3f2 does not have a GPG signature
2020-02-09T19:09:21 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T19:09:32 #kisslinux Which version of the package manager do you have?
2020-02-09T19:09:46 #kisslinux https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commits/master
2020-02-09T19:09:55 #kisslinux All commits are signed
2020-02-09T19:10:36 #kisslinux This should be fixed in the latest package manager release. (Turns out 'git pull' caused issues so a swap to 'git fetch && git merge' was made)
2020-02-09T19:11:20 #kisslinux That's literally all of the code for git "pulls". Signing happens 100% through git so I'm not sure why it fails exactly
2020-02-09T19:11:42 #kisslinux kiss 1.1.7
2020-02-09T19:12:01 #kisslinux -> kiss 1.4.1
2020-02-09T19:12:03 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T19:12:16 #kisslinux ok. what do I need to do this end?
2020-02-09T19:12:43 #kisslinux Temporarily disable signing to get the latest (or you could clone the package manager from git and run './kiss u')
2020-02-09T19:13:23 #kisslinux Can you jog my memory? how do I disable signing?
2020-02-09T19:13:29 #kisslinux :D
2020-02-09T19:13:45 #kisslinux The inverse of this: https://getkiss.org/pages/install#enable-signature-verification
2020-02-09T19:13:49 #kisslinux (true -> false)
2020-02-09T19:13:55 #kisslinux ok thank you
2020-02-09T19:13:57 #kisslinux Then those same steps to enable it again.
2020-02-09T19:13:59 #kisslinux np
2020-02-09T19:15:23 #kisslinux It fails here in 'git': https://github.com/git/git/blob/5b0ca878e008e82f91300091e793427205ce3544/commit.c#L1159-L1160
2020-02-09T19:16:06 #kisslinux The default value is 'N': https://github.com/git/git/blob/5b0ca878e008e82f91300091e793427205ce3544/commit.c#L1125
2020-02-09T19:17:02 #kisslinux all good. Updating now
2020-02-09T19:17:29 #kisslinux Will reenable sigs after update
2020-02-09T19:18:21 #kisslinux The one thing I can think of is that 'git pull' doesn't pull down the GPG info for each commit
2020-02-09T19:19:04 #kisslinux package manager updated ok. Reenabled sigs and now rerunning update. Updating ok.
2020-02-09T19:19:11 #kisslinux Thank you
2020-02-09T19:19:16 #kisslinux No problem
2020-02-09T19:19:40 #kisslinux Let me know if it happens again (a few other users reported the same issue though no new reports since latest)
2020-02-09T19:20:04 #kisslinux Might want to read this too: https://getkiss.org/blog/20200209a
2020-02-09T19:20:14 #kisslinux It happened on my other Kiss pc a few days ago.
2020-02-09T19:20:42 #kisslinux But retried some hours later and it updated ok
2020-02-09T19:20:50 #kisslinux Yeah, I only fixed this yesterday(?)
2020-02-09T19:21:07 #kisslinux It's something git/gpg related (if it isn't git pull/fetch semantics)
2020-02-09T19:22:12 #kisslinux Ok. All good.
2020-02-09T19:23:15 #kisslinux It spawns gpg here: https://github.com/git/git/blob/5b0ca878e008e82f91300091e793427205ce3544/gpg-interface.c#L296
2020-02-09T19:24:09 #kisslinux Our gpg hasn't needed an update since October so this points then to git...
2020-02-09T20:23:00 #kisslinux cool
2020-02-09T20:36:22 #kisslinux o/
2020-02-09T20:38:12 #kisslinux anyone got this wallpaper: https://u.peppe.rs/Hb.png
2020-02-09T20:54:08 #kisslinux Hello all. First hours playing kiss, first impressions.
2020-02-09T20:54:45 #kisslinux This is just great. Even better than I tought. Still some rough edges, things to figure out, but.
2020-02-09T20:55:36 #kisslinux Let me know if I can be of any help
2020-02-09T20:55:56 #kisslinux This is minimal. So my computer doesn't seems to notice that is already on. Hey, your processor is on 0% of use, are you dead? XD
2020-02-09T20:56:44 #kisslinux Yeah, mine sits at 0%~ CPU most of the time :P
2020-02-09T20:57:06 #kisslinux Lowest RAM used a startx I have ever seen. Ridiculous. Great. This could run on an potato peeler. :O
2020-02-09T20:57:25 #kisslinux You can lower it further with a little effort
2020-02-09T20:57:57 #kisslinux Haha, I have "efforted" a while by now. But clearly we need new goals! XD
2020-02-09T20:58:29 #kisslinux Tip: You can install firefox-bin to avoid having to build rust/firefox
2020-02-09T20:58:33 #kisslinux That said. Netsurf compiled OK, but failed to run.
2020-02-09T20:58:43 #kisslinux I did just that.
2020-02-09T20:58:59 #kisslinux Let me see if it works for me
2020-02-09T20:59:11 #kisslinux yeah falkon refused to run for me; couldn't load shared resources
2020-02-09T20:59:27 #kisslinux dilyn: Got a log at all?
2020-02-09T20:59:28 #kisslinux we've settled for firefox for now
2020-02-09T20:59:31 #kisslinux Firefox runs mostly fine, it seems.
2020-02-09T20:59:41 #kisslinux Uh, perhaps a dmesg?
2020-02-09T20:59:52 #kisslinux Or xorg log?
2020-02-09T21:00:19 #kisslinux I started Netsurf from terminal and didn't spit anything useful, I think
2020-02-09T21:00:29 #kisslinux I'm trying it now
2020-02-09T21:01:15 #kisslinux OK. I'll be one thing at a time. When you have this sorted, next. ;)
2020-02-09T21:02:24 #kisslinux I didn' save the errors I was getting but it all boiled down to not being able to load shared resources in any of the directories
2020-02-09T21:02:25 #kisslinux I have reinstalled Netsurf just to check again terminal prompt
2020-02-09T21:02:38 #kisslinux even though, upon inspection, the resources were in fact in at least one of those locations
2020-02-09T21:03:04 #kisslinux Just: "/bin/sh: netsurf: not found"
2020-02-09T21:03:15 #kisslinux Was it by any change looking in /share instead of /usr/share dilyn:?
2020-02-09T21:03:19 #kisslinux (Uninstalling again)
2020-02-09T21:03:38 #kisslinux altius: netsurf-gtk3
2020-02-09T21:03:40 #kisslinux If I remember correctly it was looking in /usr/share
2020-02-09T21:03:41 #kisslinux That's the binary name
2020-02-09T21:03:54 #kisslinux yep, sorry, forgot that
2020-02-09T21:04:06 #kisslinux but I could be mistaken
2020-02-09T21:04:07 #kisslinux It opens on my machine
2020-02-09T21:04:31 #kisslinux "Options failed to initialise (BadParameter)"
2020-02-09T21:05:23 #kisslinux Do: netsurf -v >~/file 2>&1
2020-02-09T21:05:30 #kisslinux Then upload the contents of ~/file
2020-02-09T21:05:47 #kisslinux You can do: nc termbin.com:9999 < ~/file
2020-02-09T21:05:56 #kisslinux (nc is already installed)
2020-02-09T21:07:22 #kisslinux Copy paste: "~ $ netsurf-gtk3Options failed to initialise (BadParameter)~ $ netsurf -v >~/file 2>&1~ $ nc termbin.com:9999 < ~/filehttps://termbin.com/8n4v~ $ netsnetstat netsurf-gtk3~ $ netsurf-gtk3Options failed to initialise (BadParameter)~ $"
2020-02-09T21:08:19 #kisslinux No big deal, anyway. Firefox is doing ok
2020-02-09T21:08:28 #kisslinux https://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2482
2020-02-09T21:08:34 #kisslinux Found a bug on their tracker.
2020-02-09T21:08:42 #kisslinux Closed as "Can't reproduce"
2020-02-09T21:09:16 #kisslinux So is something upstream. OK, no big deal, as I said.
2020-02-09T21:09:53 #kisslinux I just use it in my laptop to do text browsing, mostly, because it really is lightweight. But here I have a little more resources. ;)
2020-02-09T21:10:01 #kisslinux altius: Packages in Community aren't really my domain. Each package in Community has a maintainer. You can easily find the name/email with 'kiss-maintainer pkg_name' (from the 'kiss-utils' package)
2020-02-09T21:10:27 #kisslinux If I am the package maintainer for something in Community then it is my domain :P
2020-02-09T21:10:35 #kisslinux Noted, thanks!
2020-02-09T21:10:39 #kisslinux So one more thing
2020-02-09T21:10:53 #kisslinux The entirety of the official repositories are all my domain too
2020-02-09T21:10:54 #kisslinux I have no sound, tried Youtube to check audio
2020-02-09T21:10:58 #kisslinux Just Community is special
2020-02-09T21:11:14 #kisslinux altius: Install 'alsa-utils', open 'alsamixer' and unmute?
2020-02-09T21:11:17 #kisslinux Tried that?
2020-02-09T21:11:19 #kisslinux I suppose it's the usual with alsa, unmute channels should do the trick
2020-02-09T21:12:03 #kisslinux Aha. Just alsamixer. I suppose I have to get used that installing one package here doesn't pull all this and the kitchen sink with it. ;)
2020-02-09T21:12:17 #kisslinux Yup
2020-02-09T21:13:01 #kisslinux But the case is, alsamixer is not opening: ~ $ alsamixercannot open mixer: No such file or directory
2020-02-09T21:13:16 #kisslinux Audio drivers possibly
2020-02-09T21:13:27 #kisslinux Send me your dmesg?
2020-02-09T21:13:37 #kisslinux Are you in the audio group?
2020-02-09T21:13:59 #kisslinux Any files inside /dev/snd? (ls -l /dev/snd/)
2020-02-09T21:14:08 #kisslinux Yep, I am.
2020-02-09T21:14:16 #kisslinux groups altius wheel audio video input
2020-02-09T21:15:09 #kisslinux $ ls -l /dev/snd total 0 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 1 Feb 9 19:22 seq crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 33 Feb 9 19:22 timer
2020-02-09T21:17:44 #kisslinux Yeah, looks like a missing driver
2020-02-09T21:17:48 #kisslinux Need to see dmesg to be sure
2020-02-09T21:18:16 #kisslinux Trying to figure out how to cut out all the text from nano
2020-02-09T21:18:48 #kisslinux It's the better (I mean, the one I more-or-less know how to use) I could get so far. ;)
2020-02-09T21:19:40 #kisslinux Do this: dmesg | nc termbin.com:9999
2020-02-09T21:20:12 #kisslinux Done
2020-02-09T21:21:36 #kisslinux Feel free to email me the link if you like
2020-02-09T21:21:52 #kisslinux If you don't want to post it in irc I mean
2020-02-09T21:25:47 #kisslinux No problem. https://termbin.com/24mp
2020-02-09T21:26:48 #kisslinux altius: what sound card do you have?
2020-02-09T21:26:58 #kisslinux > [ 1.205938] No soundcards found.
2020-02-09T21:27:09 #kisslinux Driver issue!
2020-02-09T21:27:15 #kisslinux Back to the kernel. :-P
2020-02-09T21:27:37 #kisslinux Unless you have it compiled as a module already(?)
2020-02-09T21:27:42 #kisslinux Could be a simple modprobe
2020-02-09T21:28:39 #kisslinux Didn't that explicitly, but perhaps it was in the defaults
2020-02-09T21:30:13 #kisslinux The good news is, now I know a little bit more about how to properly build my kernel
2020-02-09T21:30:44 #kisslinux Learning is the main point of all of this. ;)
2020-02-09T21:30:53 #kisslinux doesn't look like any hd audio options are enabled with defconfig
2020-02-09T21:31:17 #kisslinux but lspci can tell you more information about your specific card if you don't know it
2020-02-09T21:31:43 #kisslinux and you can go to device drivers > sound card support > advanced linux sound architecture > HD-audio to find a specific device
2020-02-09T21:31:48 #kisslinux there are other settings on the way there that you might want to tweak as well
2020-02-09T21:32:48 #kisslinux altius7: Run lspci from the other distribution you have installed
2020-02-09T21:34:36 #kisslinux Will do. But in the meantime, may I ask you a couple of more generic questions?
2020-02-09T21:34:45 #kisslinux sure
2020-02-09T21:34:49 #kisslinux yeah
2020-02-09T21:35:23 #kisslinux OK. First, I noticed, while installing Firefox, that it sometimes prompted me asking for sudo.
2020-02-09T21:35:53 #kisslinux Yeah, I assume you haven't installed sudo or opendoas?
2020-02-09T21:36:22 #kisslinux As it took really long hours, and I wasn't obviously watching all the time, it happened at least once that the process stopped because of timeout
2020-02-09T21:36:28 #kisslinux Oh, I installed sudo
2020-02-09T21:36:29 #kisslinux altius: I recommend installing sudo or opendoas and configuring them for KISS
2020-02-09T21:36:30 #kisslinux My bad?
2020-02-09T21:36:33 #kisslinux no no
2020-02-09T21:39:31 #kisslinux I recommend a larger cache for the 'kiss i' command (for your user)
2020-02-09T21:39:43 #kisslinux I took a peek at man kiss, but I'll look more closely
2020-02-09T21:39:49 #kisslinux Though the default cache should be fine once your installation is "done"
2020-02-09T21:39:59 #kisslinux You won't be building as many packages as often
2020-02-09T21:40:06 #kisslinux Oh, today's update took its time too.
2020-02-09T21:40:07 #kisslinux The package manager runs as a normal user and elevates permissions when needed
2020-02-09T21:40:07 #kisslinux Yeah...
2020-02-09T21:40:08 #kisslinux GCC was updated today :P
2020-02-09T21:40:08 #kisslinux First time in months
2020-02-09T21:40:13 #kisslinux I'm kinda of scared of what will happen if I stay out of the computer, say, a couple of weeks...
2020-02-09T21:40:18 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T21:40:45 #kisslinux OK, another question then.
2020-02-09T21:40:49 #kisslinux You should be fine
2020-02-09T21:41:04 #kisslinux I'll be, you got us covered. ;)
2020-02-09T21:41:37 #kisslinux Last "manual intervention" for an update was in October for a Python version bump
2020-02-09T21:41:38 #kisslinux https://getkiss.org/news/20191015b
2020-02-09T21:41:42 #kisslinux This is auto now too ;)
2020-02-09T21:41:48 #kisslinux Won't happen next Python bump
2020-02-09T21:41:55 #kisslinux Then, another question. Any advice on general maintenance and stuff? Like, cleaning orphans, cache, etc.
2020-02-09T21:42:18 #kisslinux I'll check for news before updating. I'm used to do that on Arch and Void, too. ;)
2020-02-09T21:42:28 #kisslinux 'kiss-orphans' (from the 'kiss-utils' package) will list orphans
2020-02-09T21:42:40 #kisslinux Though I wouldn't blindly remove everything listed
2020-02-09T21:43:10 #kisslinux Noted. Will be very careful.
2020-02-09T21:43:15 #kisslinux Take some time to think about the commands you're running. :P
2020-02-09T21:43:32 #kisslinux You can fix every problem though (I had no busybox at all 2 days ago)
2020-02-09T21:43:57 #kisslinux Anyway, if I break something because of removing dependencies, I suppose I could just chroot in another partition and reinstall, right?
2020-02-09T21:44:16 #kisslinux I broke my boot by removing util-linux yesterday (and forgetting to re-install it before reboot)
2020-02-09T21:44:40 #kisslinux altius: You won't be able to break the system unless you force remove packages
2020-02-09T21:45:02 #kisslinux 'kiss r' guards against removing anything which is a dependency of a package
2020-02-09T21:45:11 #kisslinux (kiss remove as well)
2020-02-09T21:45:20 #kisslinux Sure I won't do that.
2020-02-09T21:45:29 #kisslinux The cache is located at ~/.cache/kiss
2020-02-09T21:45:38 #kisslinux Inside ~/.cache/kiss/bin are the built packages
2020-02-09T21:45:49 #kisslinux I like to keep it around
2020-02-09T21:46:16 #kisslinux You can do 'kiss install ~/.cache/kiss/bin/pkg-bla-bla.tar.gz' to install old versions etc
2020-02-09T21:46:41 #kisslinux ~/.cache/kiss/logs/ contains build logs from failed builds
2020-02-09T21:46:46 #kisslinux But it will be growing in size with time, will it? Just cloning the repo upped the space quite a bit, I think
2020-02-09T21:46:55 #kisslinux If you don't need the logs you can clean it
2020-02-09T21:47:00 #kisslinux altius: yes
2020-02-09T21:47:21 #kisslinux You can clean it however you see fit
2020-02-09T21:47:39 #kisslinux I reserved not much space to this partition, just about fourty-something gigas.
2020-02-09T21:47:46 #kisslinux I have packages from August and it's at 8GB~
2020-02-09T21:47:57 #kisslinux So, every update since August
2020-02-09T21:48:07 #kisslinux This is for every package outside of Community too
2020-02-09T21:48:19 #kisslinux Not much risk of going out of space, then
2020-02-09T21:48:25 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T21:48:37 #kisslinux You might want to clean ~/.cache/kiss/sources though
2020-02-09T21:48:49 #kisslinux This contains downloads for each package (the source code tarballs)
2020-02-09T21:49:14 #kisslinux If I have to download heavy duty (like my docs folder from the cloud), I can do it in another partition and then just mount it to have access to it
2020-02-09T21:49:21 #kisslinux Mine is 16GB, same as above (every package + version since August)
2020-02-09T21:49:27 #kisslinux altius: Yeah
2020-02-09T21:49:52 #kisslinux If you have a good network connection you can just remove the sources/ directory when it grows
2020-02-09T21:49:59 #kisslinux I keep it around as I do a lot of rebuilds
2020-02-09T21:50:02 #kisslinux Really? That doesn't seems much at all...
2020-02-09T21:50:13 #kisslinux altius: Most of that is rust/Firefox sources too
2020-02-09T21:50:19 #kisslinux 15~ versions of Firefox
2020-02-09T21:50:25 #kisslinux :O
2020-02-09T21:50:57 #kisslinux Oh, one more thing (or two)
2020-02-09T21:51:04 #kisslinux > 3.8G firefox
2020-02-09T21:51:19 #kisslinux (+ 1GB for firefox-nightly when I was testing it)
2020-02-09T21:51:42 #kisslinux First, a silly question (I feel I do silly questions mostly, so once more ;) )
2020-02-09T21:52:01 #kisslinux All good
2020-02-09T21:52:03 #kisslinux Ask away
2020-02-09T21:52:07 #kisslinux (Almost 4 Gb of Firefox? that thing really came to be a monster)
2020-02-09T21:52:12 #kisslinux No no
2020-02-09T21:52:19 #kisslinux Individual .tar.gz files
2020-02-09T21:52:25 #kisslinux For each version + betas
2020-02-09T21:52:36 #kisslinux Yes, I know. but anyway.
2020-02-09T21:52:37 #kisslinux They're 300MB~ each
2020-02-09T21:52:38 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T21:52:52 #kisslinux That's what I say. 300 MB each.
2020-02-09T21:53:06 #kisslinux Ah
2020-02-09T21:53:09 #kisslinux > 1.8G rust
2020-02-09T21:53:23 #kisslinux > 2.8G linux-headers
2020-02-09T21:53:27 #kisslinux I have a lot of kernels too
2020-02-09T21:53:33 #kisslinux A lot of versions too, I suppose!
2020-02-09T21:53:44 #kisslinux You are quite a collector. XD
2020-02-09T21:53:50 #kisslinux I have terrible internet
2020-02-09T21:53:56 #kisslinux So I keep everything around
2020-02-09T21:53:59 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T21:54:16 #kisslinux Where do you live, if I may ask, that you have so bad Internet?
2020-02-09T21:54:21 #kisslinux Greece
2020-02-09T21:54:44 #kisslinux Moved from Australia over a year ago
2020-02-09T21:54:49 #kisslinux Oh my. We're close (relatively speaking)
2020-02-09T21:54:49 #kisslinux Australia has even worse internet though
2020-02-09T21:54:59 #kisslinux In fact, we swing in the same sea. ;)
2020-02-09T21:55:04 #kisslinux swim
2020-02-09T21:55:09 #kisslinux I'm West of Greece ;)
2020-02-09T21:55:17 #kisslinux Not Aegean
2020-02-09T21:55:19 #kisslinux Ionion
2020-02-09T21:55:20 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T21:55:22 #kisslinux Majorca. Balearic Islands, Spain
2020-02-09T21:55:39 #kisslinux You're on an Island?
2020-02-09T21:56:20 #kisslinux Yep. Small one. About 80 km (dunno in miles) is the longest run in a straight line you can do
2020-02-09T21:56:25 #kisslinux I'm on an island too
2020-02-09T21:56:28 #kisslinux Lefkada, Greece
2020-02-09T21:56:29 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T21:57:14 #kisslinux Your island is bigger than mine
2020-02-09T21:57:26 #kisslinux As I'm a major/master/PhD student in Philosophy, I think I know a thing or two about Greece. XD
2020-02-09T21:57:40 #kisslinux Nice
2020-02-09T21:57:43 #kisslinux !!
2020-02-09T21:57:52 #kisslinux Come to Greece if you get the chance
2020-02-09T21:58:03 #kisslinux but what do you work on altius
2020-02-09T21:58:07 #kisslinux This goes for everyone :-)
2020-02-09T21:58:08 #kisslinux Is one of my dreams
2020-02-09T21:59:22 #kisslinux Oh, I don't work of what I have studied, as it happens. I work in a bookshop. Selling comic books. Very philosophic, you see. XD
2020-02-09T21:59:42 #kisslinux I guess I wound up closer xD
2020-02-09T21:59:50 #kisslinux I did philosophy of maths and language, ended up at a bank
2020-02-09T22:02:10 #kisslinux Philosophy of maths! I'm more the humanities geek, you know. Always had troubles with numbers, and then Hegel and Heidegger came on my way and said, OK. XD
2020-02-09T22:03:19 #kisslinux if there's one thing my education suffered from it was too much Russell and not enough Hegel
2020-02-09T22:08:06 #kisslinux altius: Is where you live full of cats?
2020-02-09T22:10:41 #kisslinux Haha, not really. Because of, you know, globalization, all cities in the world are getting too similar. But we have still our own, say, ways. ;)
2020-02-09T22:11:27 #kisslinux I know, Greek culture is dying off here
2020-02-09T22:11:35 #kisslinux I have 10+ cats though
2020-02-09T22:11:39 #kisslinux My parents live in a country house, and they have indeed cats. When I lived there I always had a couple at least, and dogs and ducks and all kind of animals
2020-02-09T22:11:48 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T22:12:00 #kisslinux But cats sure are my thing. I'm a cat person, really. ;)
2020-02-09T22:12:03 #kisslinux I'm in a village so there's a lot of animals around
2020-02-09T22:13:50 #kisslinux Have you seen "Never on sunday"? It's kind of a Pygmalion myth of today, but with an american philosopher and a greek... Well, escort.
2020-02-09T22:14:37 #kisslinux The philosopher goes to Greece to see by himself what happened with the, eh, Greek ethos, paideia, whatever of Antiquity.
2020-02-09T22:14:47 #kisslinux ooo
2020-02-09T22:15:16 #kisslinux Looks like they remade it in 2004 (original from 1960)
2020-02-09T22:15:22 #kisslinux Will watch both ;)
2020-02-09T22:15:22 #kisslinux And finds this lady. Who "works" all the week, but never on Sunday, that's the why of the title.
2020-02-09T22:15:32 #kisslinux Don't tell me anymore
2020-02-09T22:15:53 #kisslinux I like to watch movies etc without knowing anything beforehand
2020-02-09T22:15:54 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T22:16:39 #kisslinux Don't worry, that was all I was going to tell you. ;) See the older one first, you have Melina Mercouri in the cast and is great.
2020-02-09T22:17:03 #kisslinux Will do
2020-02-09T22:17:36 #kisslinux I saw that in a Greek class, original audio in English and Greek. I don't do that much Greek, and in that time my English wasn't that good too.
2020-02-09T22:18:04 #kisslinux but I've seen it later, with subs, and is just great.
2020-02-09T22:18:14 #kisslinux Awesome
2020-02-09T22:18:19 #kisslinux Downloading it now
2020-02-09T22:18:46 #kisslinux I'm still perfecting my Greek
2020-02-09T22:18:54 #kisslinux (Not that my English is that good now, but hey, here I am. Sorry if I say something weird sometimes, still roughing my edges). XD
2020-02-09T22:19:09 #kisslinux Your English is fine
2020-02-09T22:19:35 #kisslinux You are too kind. ;) And, hey, before I forget, I still had some questions for you!
2020-02-09T22:19:58 #kisslinux Yup
2020-02-09T22:20:01 #kisslinux Fire away
2020-02-09T22:20:36 #kisslinux I'm almost embarrassed to ask, but any easy way to take a screenshot here? You know, I want to do my proud "BTW I use Kiss" now. XD
2020-02-09T22:20:58 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T22:20:59 #kisslinux Nah, just sharing with you, perhaps in the Reddit Kiss subforum. To say thank you and all. :)
2020-02-09T22:21:21 #kisslinux imlib2, imagemagick, ffmpeg
2020-02-09T22:21:26 #kisslinux I searched for scrot, no luck
2020-02-09T22:21:33 #kisslinux No one has packaged it :P
2020-02-09T22:21:43 #kisslinux Oh, any of those are capable of that? Didn't know
2020-02-09T22:21:53 #kisslinux Most users probably use ffmpeg as they already have it installed for Firefox/mpv
2020-02-09T22:21:56 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T22:22:00 #kisslinux All 3 can take screenshots
2020-02-09T22:22:04 #kisslinux imlib2 is the easiest
2020-02-09T22:22:09 #kisslinux It's what scrot uses underneath
2020-02-09T22:22:11 #kisslinux I must have it then, as I have Firefox
2020-02-09T22:22:22 #kisslinux ffmpeg? Yeah
2020-02-09T22:22:38 #kisslinux I'll check it out. Thanks!
2020-02-09T22:24:18 #kisslinux Oh, and another. Libreoffice (or any alternative?) doesn't seems to be on the repos. Just because nobody packaged it, or is there any other reason?
2020-02-09T22:25:12 #kisslinux I use Wordgrinder mostly, anyway. Not here, too. If I have to do text in this partition, I can always come to Google Docs or something.
2020-02-09T22:26:39 #kisslinux altius: ffmpeg -y -hide_banner -loglevel error -f x11grab -video_size 3200x1800 -i :0.0 -vframes 1 file.jpg
2020-02-09T22:26:48 #kisslinux Change 3200x1800 to your screen size
2020-02-09T22:27:04 #kisslinux libreoffice is a pain to package
2020-02-09T22:27:06 #kisslinux altius: For office it's tricky
2020-02-09T22:27:20 #kisslinux libreoffice is more bloated than Firefox/Chromium
2020-02-09T22:27:20 #kisslinux I was thinking something like that.
2020-02-09T22:28:01 #kisslinux Yep. What we were speaking before, those lotta gigs of FF. Libreoffice must be an even worse pain.
2020-02-09T22:28:15 #kisslinux And I suppose it takes a.. while to compile, does it?
2020-02-09T22:28:24 #kisslinux Yeah
2020-02-09T22:28:31 #kisslinux You could run it in a chroot
2020-02-09T22:29:48 #kisslinux !!! You are right. How would I chroot into another partition from here? (My noobness knows no limits!). XD
2020-02-09T22:30:12 #kisslinux 'chroot /path/to/dir'
2020-02-09T22:30:17 #kisslinux Then launch libreoffice
2020-02-09T22:30:21 #kisslinux That easy?
2020-02-09T22:30:26 #kisslinux Yup
2020-02-09T22:30:31 #kisslinux I'm plain amazed. :O
2020-02-09T22:30:33 #kisslinux You may need to mount /dev, /proc etc
2020-02-09T22:30:35 #kisslinux If so
2020-02-09T22:30:47 #kisslinux 'kiss-chroot' from the 'kiss-utils' package will work
2020-02-09T22:30:49 #kisslinux No problem. Will try.
2020-02-09T22:30:54 #kisslinux kiss-chroot /path/to/dir
2020-02-09T22:31:18 #kisslinux I used this method to run Steam, Chromium and Counter-strike 1.6/Source a while ago
2020-02-09T22:31:55 #kisslinux I'm copying all of this in a text file to future reference, I don't want to forget. This will be handy for sure.
2020-02-09T22:32:37 #kisslinux Logs are public here too: https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux
2020-02-09T22:33:10 #kisslinux Yep, I have been checking them. Very handy too.
2020-02-09T22:35:43 #kisslinux A last question and call it a day? Send me to bed when you have enough, really. ;)
2020-02-09T22:36:25 #kisslinux Don't ask to ask, just ask
2020-02-09T22:36:46 #kisslinux I have really get used to fish (shell). Is it posible to have it here?
2020-02-09T22:36:57 #kisslinux Someone just need to package it
2020-02-09T22:37:06 #kisslinux Or it could be your first package ;)
2020-02-09T22:37:11 #kisslinux needs*
2020-02-09T22:38:15 #kisslinux Haha, if you are capable of making me learn to do that, I promise I will. But I'm no techie, really, as you more than know by now. ;)
2020-02-09T22:39:02 #kisslinux You can open an issue in kisslinux/community on GitHub for now if you like
2020-02-09T22:39:14 #kisslinux Also read: https://getkiss.org/pages/package-system
2020-02-09T22:39:17 #kisslinux But I really wish I could do something. Heh. I could try to learn that. If I could install Kiss and make it running (with your help! Mostly with your help!), I could try.
2020-02-09T22:39:29 #kisslinux Read the package-system page
2020-02-09T22:39:42 #kisslinux Will surely do.
2020-02-09T22:39:54 #kisslinux Will do my best.
2020-02-09T22:40:05 #kisslinux It should tell you everything you need to write a package
2020-02-09T22:40:38 #kisslinux Ask here if you have any questions
2020-02-09T22:42:16 #kisslinux Perfect, thank you again. Will do that. Starting now. I'm going to read that and put my eyes on fish then, see what can happen.
2020-02-09T22:43:39 #kisslinux Anyone here interested on that, or just me? If I finally can do something with packages, and there is something more urgent, we can work it out.
2020-02-09T22:44:03 #kisslinux (Interested on having Fish on kiss, I mean)
2020-02-09T22:44:53 #kisslinux but that's not POSIX dylan would never stand for this
2020-02-09T22:44:59 #kisslinux There's nothing urgent that I don't handle :P
2020-02-09T22:45:23 #kisslinux Package what you personally need and if you want to be nice, package what others need
2020-02-09T22:45:50 #kisslinux Not POSIX? Does that supposes any problem?
2020-02-09T22:45:51 #kisslinux If it is something suitable for everyone (it should belong in the official repositories) let me know
2020-02-09T22:45:59 #kisslinux altius: It's a joke :P
2020-02-09T22:46:25 #kisslinux dilyn: brb swapping my /bin/sh to powershell
2020-02-09T22:46:45 #kisslinux Phew. ;)
2020-02-09T22:47:07 #kisslinux (It's possible fyi https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/blob/master/docs/building/linux.md)
2020-02-09T22:47:29 #kisslinux https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/img_57b63ee13aefb.png
2020-02-09T22:47:30 #kisslinux I hate that this is a thing
2020-02-09T22:47:34 #kisslinux Don't
2020-02-09T22:47:35 #kisslinux no
2020-02-09T22:48:23 #kisslinux C# too
2020-02-09T22:48:50 #kisslinux Sorry but I don't get it. Is that the shell from what, Windows?
2020-02-09T22:48:52 #kisslinux :'(
2020-02-09T22:48:54 #kisslinux ooo
2020-02-09T22:49:00 #kisslinux Also needs dotNET
2020-02-09T22:49:00 #kisslinux altius: yes
2020-02-09T22:49:06 #kisslinux ????
2020-02-09T22:49:18 #kisslinux And who would need a windows shell here?
2020-02-09T22:49:26 #kisslinux No one
2020-02-09T22:49:34 #kisslinux Another joke
2020-02-09T22:49:44 #kisslinux Just funny that it runs on Linux
2020-02-09T22:49:48 #kisslinux Navigation in Powershell is a meme
2020-02-09T22:49:58 #kisslinux I hate the commands
2020-02-09T22:50:11 #kisslinux I've never felt more incompetent
2020-02-09T22:50:47 #kisslinux I did a year of Windows networking + CISCO at university
2020-02-09T22:50:52 #kisslinux God it was awful
2020-02-09T22:50:58 #kisslinux So you know how I feel everytime I'm in front of my computer.
2020-02-09T22:51:08 #kisslinux XD
2020-02-09T22:52:06 #kisslinux I'm not into Windows, really. I sometimes touch that for friends and at work. I don't like it. At all.
2020-02-09T22:52:17 #kisslinux I don't like it either
2020-02-09T22:52:19 #kisslinux We all started at zero at some point :)
2020-02-09T22:52:40 #kisslinux Windows just feels gross. At work, at idle, system usage is 7gb/8gb of ram
2020-02-09T22:52:58 #kisslinux The worst class I did was the git class
2020-02-09T22:53:00 #kisslinux What I see a lot in college lately are macs. Every cute student with its apple. Then they talk about politics. I don't really understand.
2020-02-09T22:53:04 #kisslinux 15 weeks of basic git commands
2020-02-09T22:53:08 #kisslinux I mean there are a a few programs running and a lot of stuff is happening, but that's without using chrome. which is necessary for my job
2020-02-09T22:53:09 #kisslinux But must be just me.
2020-02-09T22:53:14 #kisslinux I stopped going
2020-02-09T22:53:40 #kisslinux the class was just fifteen weeks of man(1)? xD
2020-02-09T22:53:44 #kisslinux altius: Yeah, everyone when I went to university had macs
2020-02-09T22:54:08 #kisslinux dilyn: Had to collab on bitbucket with some crappy template C# game
2020-02-09T22:54:15 #kisslinux My uni was very Windows
2020-02-09T22:54:23 #kisslinux I dropped out :')
2020-02-09T22:54:50 #kisslinux Then did Journalism
2020-02-09T22:54:57 #kisslinux Then dropped out again
2020-02-09T22:54:58 #kisslinux And now look at you
2020-02-09T22:54:59 #kisslinux And how you can talk s*** about mega corporations and so on, and have a cute mac? That's what I don't really get, because people does, I have seen it.
2020-02-09T22:55:03 #kisslinux Was all social media
2020-02-09T22:55:12 #kisslinux Had a 3 hour lecture on emojis
2020-02-09T22:55:19 #kisslinux Noped right out
2020-02-09T22:55:48 #kisslinux lolwut
2020-02-09T22:55:55 #kisslinux what a racket!
2020-02-09T22:56:13 #kisslinux altius: i only own a mac because it was cheaper than the xps 13. i sort of regret my decisiion
2020-02-09T22:56:28 #kisslinux Me and education don't really mix
2020-02-09T22:57:01 #kisslinux 3 hours of emoji, do they teach about the philosophy behind emoji or what
2020-02-09T22:57:18 #kisslinux The hidden meaning behind emojis
2020-02-09T22:57:21 #kisslinux Was the topic
2020-02-09T22:57:25 #kisslinux iirc
2020-02-09T22:57:48 #kisslinux Also a week on how James Bond is sexist
2020-02-09T22:58:01 #kisslinux that's like a specific instance of implicatures and they need to reevaluate their priorities
2020-02-09T22:58:10 #kisslinux So... I left
2020-02-09T22:58:11 #kisslinux okay well now why on earth is that a topic
2020-02-09T22:58:15 #kisslinux Like any sane person would
2020-02-09T22:58:18 #kisslinux which Bond? Connery or the later Bond also?
2020-02-09T22:58:21 #kisslinux """"Journalism""""
2020-02-09T22:58:23 #kisslinux All bonds
2020-02-09T22:58:30 #kisslinux We need a female bond apparently
2020-02-09T22:58:39 #kisslinux That sorta thing
2020-02-09T22:58:59 #kisslinux I really picked up smoking around this time
2020-02-09T23:00:21 #kisslinux > 15 weeks of basic git commands
2020-02-09T23:00:24 #kisslinux at least you have that for the non-CLI inclined students
2020-02-09T23:00:38 #kisslinux Moral of the story: Don't go to uni in Australia
2020-02-09T23:00:42 #kisslinux konimex: This was year 2
2020-02-09T23:00:55 #kisslinux year 1 is algorithms, I presume?
2020-02-09T23:01:02 #kisslinux I skipped the first year
2020-02-09T23:01:06 #kisslinux ah i see
2020-02-09T23:01:10 #kisslinux Yep, I'm having a class of Critical Theory now. It's mostly OK, but sometimes it goes... Strange
2020-02-09T23:01:10 #kisslinux Entered at 16
2020-02-09T23:01:17 #kisslinux 17(?)
2020-02-09T23:01:20 #kisslinux I don't remember
2020-02-09T23:01:43 #kisslinux I did no high-school which was nice
2020-02-09T23:02:18 #kisslinux using git with people who have no idea about source control (let alone git) is a hell itself, I ended up asking for zipped source and merged it to the git repo
2020-02-09T23:02:25 #kisslinux In Australia you can go to Uni without high school?
2020-02-09T23:02:33 #kisslinux altius81: Not normally
2020-02-09T23:02:42 #kisslinux You can talk your way into anything though
2020-02-09T23:03:25 #kisslinux Have you got a proper public system, or is it all paid?
2020-02-09T23:03:39 #kisslinux Legally I should've been at high-school until 16 regardless
2020-02-09T23:04:06 #kisslinux Public Primary and High school is free iirc
2020-02-09T23:04:11 #kisslinux Here, you have to be...
2020-02-09T23:04:22 #kisslinux University is "free"
2020-02-09T23:04:39 #kisslinux The government takes out a loan in your name and you only pay if you make $40k+ a year
2020-02-09T23:04:58 #kisslinux The government then takes it out of your bank account in increments
2020-02-09T23:05:18 #kisslinux s/if/when/
2020-02-09T23:06:07 #kisslinux That doesn't looks bad. I sure don't earn that amount, I musn't be paying now for my education
2020-02-09T23:06:47 #kisslinux It'd be relative to the wage of the country
2020-02-09T23:06:55 #kisslinux I wouldn't make it where I live now either
2020-02-09T23:07:06 #kisslinux Though cost of living is far far lower
2020-02-09T23:07:10 #kisslinux It's relative
2020-02-09T23:07:35 #kisslinux This year's been cheaper because last year I scored a couple highs, and they discount money from the payment because of that
2020-02-09T23:07:44 #kisslinux Cigarettes in Australia will hit $50 a packet (of 20) soon
2020-02-09T23:08:26 #kisslinux I think they're around $40~ a packet now
2020-02-09T23:08:39 #kisslinux AU$ or US$?
2020-02-09T23:08:43 #kisslinux AUD
2020-02-09T23:08:54 #kisslinux 26-27 USD
2020-02-09T23:09:04 #kisslinux that's heinous
2020-02-09T23:09:10 #kisslinux I pay 4 euros here
2020-02-09T23:09:12 #kisslinux I'm happy
2020-02-09T23:09:14 #kisslinux well damn that's 18x more expensive than cigarettes here
2020-02-09T23:09:29 #kisslinux although I don't smoke personally
2020-02-09T23:09:35 #kisslinux A beer at a bar is $10 AUD in Australia
2020-02-09T23:09:42 #kisslinux It's crazy
2020-02-09T23:09:55 #kisslinux Really? Here it's about 4-5 euros. But it's way expensive according to salary... If you are just a random worker, as I am.
2020-02-09T23:10:28 #kisslinux altius81: Worldwide it equates to an 1-1.5 hours work at average wage iirc
2020-02-09T23:10:41 #kisslinux This matches Greece and Australia at the very least
2020-02-09T23:11:35 #kisslinux In actuality I buy tobacco, papers and filters which works out to 9 euros over 3 days
2020-02-09T23:12:05 #kisslinux Hah, alcoholic drinks are not that expensive here (beer, at least)
2020-02-09T23:12:24 #kisslinux altius81: Cheaper than water here
2020-02-09T23:12:51 #kisslinux We have a lotta hell of tourists from GB and Deutschland
2020-02-09T23:13:02 #kisslinux Same
2020-02-09T23:13:19 #kisslinux They drink as there'll be no tomorrow
2020-02-09T23:13:22 #kisslinux The
2020-02-09T23:13:32 #kisslinux Lots of Balkans come here too
2020-02-09T23:13:58 #kisslinux Do you know of Aristotle Onassis?
2020-02-09T23:14:17 #kisslinux They jump from their hotel rooms to (supposedly) swimming pools, and fail sometimes
2020-02-09T23:14:22 #kisslinux lol
2020-02-09T23:14:59 #kisslinux Every year, some dead, some, well, broken bones and stuff
2020-02-09T23:15:17 #kisslinux Yup
2020-02-09T23:15:18 #kisslinux Pure darwinian selection
2020-02-09T23:16:06 #kisslinux Not much. A guy with lotsa money, was it?
2020-02-09T23:16:36 #kisslinux He controlled the world's oil and owned Monaco for some time
2020-02-09T23:17:00 #kisslinux He owned an island 3km~ from where I am
2020-02-09T23:17:14 #kisslinux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle_Onassis
2020-02-09T23:17:34 #kisslinux Lotsa money for sure then. :O
2020-02-09T23:18:06 #kisslinux He was married to Jackie Kennedy
2020-02-09T23:18:14 #kisslinux Former wife to JFK
2020-02-09T23:18:24 #kisslinux Crazy life
2020-02-09T23:19:00 #kisslinux My landlord was good friends with him
2020-02-09T23:20:26 #kisslinux I have always thought that you can't make that much money and be a saint...
2020-02-09T23:20:47 #kisslinux He built the town I live in right now
2020-02-09T23:21:03 #kisslinux Gave everyone money to start their businesses
2020-02-09T23:21:16 #kisslinux Installed proper plumbing, etc
2020-02-09T23:21:38 #kisslinux So was he the saint I don't believe in?
2020-02-09T23:21:57 #kisslinux He left the island he bought to the Greek Government (to the people)
2020-02-09T23:23:15 #kisslinux He couldn't have been all good though ;)
2020-02-09T23:23:33 #kisslinux To the Greek people though? He was
2020-02-09T23:24:00 #kisslinux Managed to get f18 to build, but it can't compile a simple fortran program
2020-02-09T23:24:01 #kisslinux i love it
2020-02-09T23:24:16 #kisslinux That is really cool. I don't want to be a Scrooge and say, "but that's just a part of the story", so I won't. But I did! XD
2020-02-09T23:24:42 #kisslinux altius81: lol
2020-02-09T23:25:48 #kisslinux The Greek Government sold his island to a Russian billionaire
2020-02-09T23:26:14 #kisslinux If you get too close with a boat, a gun ship will force you to leave
2020-02-09T23:26:21 #kisslinux I know first hand :^)
2020-02-09T23:26:46 #kisslinux Heh. It's nice here, but tomorrow I work all day, still have to set up some lectures for class, and learn how to create kiss packaging. XD
2020-02-09T23:28:20 #kisslinux Now that I know the way, I'll sure be back. I hope with less noobish questions. Have a good night/day/whatever, all of you!
2020-02-09T23:28:56 #kisslinux And Dylan, you will get bored to read this, but thank you again, you really rock! :)
2020-02-09T23:29:37 #kisslinux :P
2020-02-09T23:29:41 #kisslinux No problem
2020-02-09T23:29:57 #kisslinux I'm gonna go to bed now
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