2019-09-29T05:05:27 #kisslinux hello

2019-09-29T05:06:13 #kisslinux how is everyone

2019-09-29T05:06:18 #kisslinux I like the new website

2019-09-29T05:34:17 #kisslinux hi

2019-09-29T05:35:23 #kisslinux o/

2019-09-29T05:57:41 #kisslinux thehidden: welcome

2019-09-29T09:48:39 #kisslinux In the depends file we read either pkg or pkg make - which one is the compile time dependancy?

2019-09-29T09:51:05 #kisslinux make

2019-09-29T09:51:23 #kisslinux Dependencies marked 'make' are only needed at compile time.

2019-09-29T09:52:28 #kisslinux Thanks - i had a first quick look in the kiss script, but does it really make any difference in the handling?

2019-09-29T09:52:54 #kisslinux (searched for the word make and found it only in the comments)

2019-09-29T09:56:01 #kisslinux Yes

2019-09-29T09:56:36 #kisslinux 'make' is checked on package install and removal.

2019-09-29T09:56:46 #kisslinux Also helpful for user scripting.

2019-09-29T09:57:02 #kisslinux In terms of building a package, dependencies are treated the same.

2019-09-29T10:01:05 #kisslinux So there is only different behavior while installing which is coded in the "kiss" script?

2019-09-29T10:08:01 #kisslinux And removing packages.

2019-09-29T10:08:26 #kisslinux ie, you can remove a package which is only a make depend of other packages but not one which is a runtime dependency.

2019-09-29T10:08:42 #kisslinux Installation checks to see that all runtime deps are installed (it ignores make deps).

2019-09-29T10:09:01 #kisslinux kiss-utils makes use of this for kiss-orphans for example.

2019-09-29T10:13:16 #kisslinux Is the spot in the kiss script like: " while read -r dep dep_type"

2019-09-29T10:13:18 #kisslinux ?

2019-09-29T10:13:53 #kisslinux Sorry again: Is it the spot in the kiss script like: " while read -r dep dep_type" ?

2019-09-29T10:15:27 #kisslinux As 'make' is the only optional dependency field, all the package manager does is check to see if it exists or not.

2019-09-29T10:15:37 #kisslinux You're right with the snippet.

2019-09-29T10:15:44 #kisslinux Below it you'll see "[ "$dep_type" ] ||"

2019-09-29T10:16:00 #kisslinux Basically, if $dep_type is empty, do thing.

2019-09-29T10:17:00 #kisslinux pkg_remove checks depends files for lines not containing 'make' by matching lines which only contain the package name.

2019-09-29T10:18:39 #kisslinux So am i right: For a compile time dependancy it's also possible to write in the depend file: package_name mickeymouse ?

2019-09-29T10:19:10 #kisslinux (the check only looks if there is anything)

2019-09-29T10:19:13 #kisslinux Yes

2019-09-29T10:19:42 #kisslinux If another field is ever added I'll update the code to be less lazy.

2019-09-29T10:19:56 #kisslinux OK. So I'm lucky regarding this matter :-)

2019-09-29T10:21:00 #kisslinux Anyway: You did very good and hard work - and a big thank you from me !

2019-09-29T10:22:08 #kisslinux Point 2 on the agenda ;-) I thougt it would be good to have a small text based file manager for kisslinux - do you know the midnight commander?

2019-09-29T10:22:51 #kisslinux I use fff personally: https://github.com/dylanaraps/fff

2019-09-29T10:25:03 #kisslinux But it's not packaged for kisslinux eiter way...

2019-09-29T10:25:19 #kisslinux It is in community

2019-09-29T10:25:36 #kisslinux Plus it's just a single file you can download and add to your path.

2019-09-29T10:25:46 #kisslinux No need to compile or install additional files.

2019-09-29T10:25:52 #kisslinux Just a 'wget' + 'chmod +x'.

2019-09-29T10:26:10 #kisslinux Nothing stops you from packaging whatever you like.

2019-09-29T10:26:43 #kisslinux hmm, pasting 'https://github.com/dylanaraps/fff' crashes X session here, debian...

2019-09-29T10:26:57 #kisslinux *into firefox *

2019-09-29T10:27:17 #kisslinux Mine is fine (on KISS)

2019-09-29T10:27:56 #kisslinux I rechecked before saying anything :)

2019-09-29T10:31:23 #kisslinux fff is also "Fast file finder for Emacs" - i hope you don't get legal issues with Stallmann ;-)

2019-09-29T10:33:03 #kisslinux Every name is taken nowadays. I've stopped caring, really.

2019-09-29T10:33:07 #kisslinux going to https://github.com/dylanaraps and clicking 'fff' also do the trick...

2019-09-29T10:33:52 #kisslinux I don't think it's an issue on my side.

2019-09-29T10:35:17 #kisslinux probably, maybe it's dwm fault

2019-09-29T10:35:29 #kisslinux fff also looks promising - i also should give it a try. What i really like with midnight commander is that you see source and target directories at once - if you move in unknown dir hierarchies

2019-09-29T10:39:40 #kisslinux Yeah, you can package it yourself pretty easily.

2019-09-29T10:43:34 #kisslinux Already packaged the midnight commander - Now I only have to doublecheck if i did it right with the two kinds of depends

2019-09-29T10:45:05 #kisslinux Is there a good way to determine if its runtime dep other than remove every dep and see if it complains at runtime?

2019-09-29T10:45:48 #kisslinux Check the package's build documentation.

2019-09-29T10:45:57 #kisslinux You can also check what other linux distributions do.

2019-09-29T10:47:07 #kisslinux If other distros (tm) do it wrong, we do the same way...

2019-09-29T10:48:14 #kisslinux That's why you look at more than one distro and you compare against the package's documentation itself.

2019-09-29T10:48:28 #kisslinux I also check the source code if needed.

2019-09-29T10:48:56 #kisslinux The package manager (kiss) will fix any dependencies you missed.

2019-09-29T10:56:18 #kisslinux As i understand right, we have to wait appr. one year from now to get this thing listed on distrowatch and attract more people and get more help...

2019-09-29T11:32:12 #kisslinux Distrowatch won't accept it as it doesn't use an iso file for installation.

2019-09-29T11:33:05 #kisslinux The only thing additional users could help with is expanding 'community'.

2019-09-29T11:35:57 #kisslinux So perhaps only your future derivatives will be listed?

2019-09-29T11:37:16 #kisslinux Hi there

2019-09-29T11:37:18 #kisslinux Hello

2019-09-29T11:37:22 #kisslinux I didn't know about that dumb .iso restriction

2019-09-29T11:37:28 #kisslinux We don't have to be listed on Distrowatch.

2019-09-29T11:37:34 #kisslinux Btw still stuck with the Xorg thingy :(

2019-09-29T11:37:37 #kisslinux It really means nothing.

2019-09-29T11:37:39 #kisslinux Huh

2019-09-29T11:37:42 #kisslinux Remind me again?

2019-09-29T11:38:24 #kisslinux Installed kiss on VMware, command line works fine but I can't for the love of my life get xorg to work

2019-09-29T11:39:48 #kisslinux I haven't personally tried VMware. I've only tested on Qemu.

2019-09-29T11:40:23 #kisslinux You've seen this?: https://www.x.org/releases/current/doc/man/man4/vmware.4.xhtml

2019-09-29T11:40:34 #kisslinux Also: https://www.x.org/wiki/vmware/

2019-09-29T11:41:15 #kisslinux I don't know if you need this too: https://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/new_guest_tools_ws.html

2019-09-29T11:41:35 #kisslinux t

2019-09-29T11:41:45 #kisslinux The kernel module is compiled with [*]

2019-09-29T11:42:13 #kisslinux The guest additions I can't install because they depend on glibc

2019-09-29T11:42:37 #kisslinux I guess I could try compiling glibc from source since I'm kinda out of ideas

2019-09-29T11:42:59 #kisslinux I doubt you need the guest tools.

2019-09-29T11:43:09 #kisslinux They're optional from what I can see.

2019-09-29T11:44:07 #kisslinux I shouldn't need to

2019-09-29T13:21:08 #kisslinux dylanaraps: i sanitized berry's makefile and learned that libXext wasn't a dependency lol

2019-09-29T13:22:13 #kisslinux i'll make a PR on the next update

2019-09-29T13:22:26 #kisslinux Nice

2019-09-29T13:22:32 #kisslinux I saw your PR

2019-09-29T13:23:55 #kisslinux yeah, i mirrored it from dwm actually lol

2019-09-29T13:31:21 #kisslinux # ./pfetch

2019-09-29T13:31:22 #kisslinux ,_, root@

2019-09-29T13:31:24 #kisslinux ('-|-') os DragonFly 5.6-RELEASE

2019-09-29T13:31:26 #kisslinux >--|--< host QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.5+

2019-09-29T13:31:28 #kisslinux (-'|'-) kernel 5.6-RELEASE

2019-09-29T13:31:30 #kisslinux | uptime 15m

2019-09-29T13:31:32 #kisslinux | pkgs 22

2019-09-29T13:31:34 #kisslinux | memory 540M / 3030M

2019-09-29T13:31:36 #kisslinux Fully functional on DragonFly now.

2019-09-29T13:31:38 #kisslinux Hostname is empty since it's empty in the OS itself.

2019-09-29T13:36:14 #kisslinux Any other OS with POSIX sh?

2019-09-29T13:38:04 #kisslinux Things I can't easily test: Solaris (won't boot in qemu), AIX, IRIX, FreeMiNT and Windows

2019-09-29T13:46:52 #kisslinux What happened with OpenIndiana?

2019-09-29T13:48:11 #kisslinux > Solaris (won't boot in qemu)

2019-09-29T13:48:17 #kisslinux I called it Solaris above

2019-09-29T13:48:42 #kisslinux I also don't have any graphics in qemu currently so things like RedoxOS are out.

2019-09-29T13:48:52 #kisslinux You can use the serial console?

2019-09-29T13:49:07 #kisslinux I don't think RedoxOS has any #!/bin/sh implementation anyway

2019-09-29T13:49:12 #kisslinux just some "ion" thing

2019-09-29T13:49:17 #kisslinux Redox's graphics actually has problems without PulseAudio so I use the serial console myself

2019-09-29T13:49:23 #kisslinux It has Dash and Bash packaged

2019-09-29T13:49:29 #kisslinux huh

2019-09-29T13:49:57 #kisslinux I can test AIX if you like, I still have an AIX ssh running (hopefully)

2019-09-29T13:50:01 #kisslinux Bash IIRC had some problems with complex pure bash stuff, though

2019-09-29T13:50:37 #kisslinux I'm testing NetBSD right now.

2019-09-29T13:50:45 #kisslinux I was actually able to boot OI in QEMU; turns out that I used the usb image last time, which doesn't boot

2019-09-29T13:50:52 #kisslinux Will try Redox with serial next.

2019-09-29T13:51:37 #kisslinux I'm not sure if there's a way to get some info from shell in Redox other than the built-in screenfetch, though

2019-09-29T13:53:06 #kisslinux OI seems to be really buggy, though; installing git took forever and multiple retries and it randomly rebooted once. And my download speed kept being shown as negative...

2019-09-29T13:54:16 #kisslinux how about the real Solaris (i.e. Oracle)?

2019-09-29T13:57:23 #kisslinux That's an idea

2019-09-29T13:57:41 #kisslinux https://www.oracle.com/ca-en/solaris/solaris11/

2019-09-29T13:57:45 #kisslinux This?

2019-09-29T13:57:59 #kisslinux https://www.oracle.com/solaris/solaris11/downloads/solaris-downloads.html

2019-09-29T13:58:03 #kisslinux aye

2019-09-29T13:58:54 #kisslinux well last time I tried to download it it requires me to make a free oracle account

2019-09-29T13:59:01 #kisslinux don't know about now

2019-09-29T13:59:07 #kisslinux > Oracle account sign in

2019-09-29T13:59:09 #kisslinux ah fuck

2019-09-29T13:59:20 #kisslinux yep

2019-09-29T14:01:42 #kisslinux NetBSD works fine. :D

2019-09-29T14:01:51 #kisslinux Tiny bug I had to fix.

2019-09-29T14:08:55 #kisslinux Dash causes Redox to crash for me.

2019-09-29T14:09:04 #kisslinux What other OS can I try(?)

2019-09-29T17:25:36 #kisslinux o/

2019-09-29T17:25:39 #kisslinux Welcome

2019-09-29T17:25:52 #kisslinux thanks

2019-09-29T17:26:01 #kisslinux I like the switch to irc from discord

2019-09-29T17:27:39 #kisslinux So do I

2019-09-29T17:28:03 #kisslinux I'm happy to answer any questions you may have

2019-09-29T17:28:09 #kisslinux thanks

2019-09-29T17:31:14 #kisslinux so . . . it's worthwhile setting up a discord account then?

2019-09-29T17:32:00 #kisslinux so many accounts :rolleyes:

2019-09-29T17:33:02 #kisslinux I probably already have one that I've forgotten about :D

2019-09-29T17:35:26 #kisslinux We moved from Discord to IRC (here).

2019-09-29T17:35:38 #kisslinux IRC doesn't require an account. :)

2019-09-29T17:37:23 #kisslinux discord would prompt me with captcha every other time i log in

2019-09-29T17:37:30 #kisslinux yeah

2019-09-29T17:37:45 #kisslinux that happened to me for a while

2019-09-29T17:37:47 #kisslinux and irc is more lightweight, also free software.

2019-09-29T17:37:54 #kisslinux Freenode uses Google captcha for their web clinet too fyi

2019-09-29T17:37:57 #kisslinux It's sad

2019-09-29T17:38:03 #kisslinux client*

2019-09-29T17:38:03 #kisslinux anyone know where i can find some good weechat confs?

2019-09-29T17:38:11 #kisslinux I just do it by hand.

2019-09-29T17:38:39 #kisslinux what does yours look like?

2019-09-29T17:38:58 #kisslinux 2 secs

2019-09-29T17:40:02 #kisslinux https://i.imgur.com/MMmXT5Q.jpg

2019-09-29T17:40:19 #kisslinux oh nice

2019-09-29T17:40:30 #kisslinux oh shoot

2019-09-29T17:40:37 #kisslinux that's really good looking

2019-09-29T17:40:38 #kisslinux wht font are you using?

2019-09-29T17:41:07 #kisslinux yeah i wanna go for something minimalistic, i need to read the weechat user guide

2019-09-29T17:41:22 #kisslinux looks like iosevka?

2019-09-29T17:41:28 #kisslinux I switched from arch+i3-gaps a while back to debian+normal desktop environment and I kind of miss some of the terminal applications.

2019-09-29T17:41:57 #kisslinux Roboto Mono

2019-09-29T17:42:25 #kisslinux http://i.salejandro.me/rNJ64.png im just using the default conf (font is Iosevka Extended)

2019-09-29T17:42:53 #kisslinux i was on arch+i3 for a while, went to ubuntu+budgie, and now im back on arch+bsp

2019-09-29T17:44:03 #kisslinux im thinking about switching to Void once i get a larger ssd and i have a separate /home partition

2019-09-29T17:44:22 #kisslinux i went from antix to freebsd with zfs & fvwm.

2019-09-29T17:44:44 #kisslinux huh

2019-09-29T17:44:53 #kisslinux what's freebsd like

2019-09-29T17:45:11 #kisslinux I really like the BSD license, and am interested in that.

2019-09-29T17:47:01 #kisslinux It's great. It supports suspend/hibernation on my x220, zfs is nice I haven't had it freeze on X11 so far compared to Linux. I like how simple the ports system is.

2019-09-29T17:47:18 #kisslinux that's cool

2019-09-29T17:47:51 #kisslinux yeah i misread the post. Much prefer irc ;)

2019-09-29T20:18:05 #kisslinux does KISS repo has irssi for IRC client in terminal?